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highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:12 PM Dec 2019

Cory Booker didn't like Warren's "wine cave" attack on Buttigieg

https://www.mediaite.com/news/cory-booker-derides-warrens-wine-cave-attack-on-mayor-pete-need-to-be-careful-about-tearing-each-other-down/


New Jersey Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Cory Booker says he didn’t watch Thursday night’s debate, but he did hear about “wine caves,” and he wasn’t happy about it.

On Friday morning’s edition of New Day, anchor John Berman asked Senator Booker if he had watched Thursday night’s Politico/PBS Newshour Democratic presidential debate, and if so, what he thought about it.

“I didn’t watch the debate, I was actually making calls to Iowa voters last night,” Booker said, adding that he “heard a lot of frustration from folks that there was more talk about wine caves than there were about gun violence or reproductive rights.”

“We’ve really got to be careful as a party about tearing each other down at a time where we see what’s going on in Washington, and we need to unite, frankly, bring our party together so we can bring a real fight to beat Donald Trump and push Mcconnell back to the backbenches,” Booker added.

-snip-



The artcle goes on to summarize and analyze what happened and how it might affect the race, and I'm posting the excerpt below separately to make it clear this isn't based on what Booker said.

But I do think the analysis is accurate:

Since Warren began openly feuding with Buttigieg over this and other transparency issues about two weeks ago, she has ticked up modestly in the RCP polling average, while Buttigieg has lost almost three points off of his national average, blunting the bounce he got after the last debate. That’s not necessarily due to this issue, but the timing is compelling.

Therein lies the risk that Booker identifies for the Democrats, that not only is very little gained from this line of attack, it also might embitter voters toward other candidates who fail the test. And as Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders demonstrated Thursday night, that risk extends to Warren.

Seconds after Warren and Pete finished up, Sanders swooped in to boast that he is “the only candidate up here that doesn’t have any billionaire contributions,” which includes Warren. Her current presidential campaign, not her old pre-pledge Senate campaign, has accepted donations at or near the $2800 individual contribution limit from at least six billionaires.

The moral of that story is there’s always a bigger fish, and there’s always a purer candidate, but even by Warren’s narrower standards, she’s vulnerable to her own attack. Until very recently, Warren was doing the very same things she accuses others of being “corrupt” for doing, right down to the fancy wine tastings and the paid-for selfies.
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OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
1. Quick minded Senator Warren did not waste a milli-second responding! Sharpnas a tack
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:18 PM
Dec 2019
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BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
2. Tommy Christopher, again?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:19 PM
Dec 2019

Predictable.



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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Christopher isn't in the video, Booker is.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:23 PM
Dec 2019
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BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
7. Christopher roams the Internet for anything he can use against Warren
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:27 PM
Dec 2019

He has inflated a fairly innocuous comment by Booker into an end-of-the-world scenario for Warren, who he tried to bury months ago by claiming she faked her long ago pregnancy firing. He is a favorite source of the Warren Derangement Syndrome crowd.

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Cha

(297,190 posts)
15. That's ok.. BS "Swoops" in to Save the Day!
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:39 PM
Dec 2019

Therein lies the risk that Booker identifies for the Democrats, that not only is very little gained from this line of attack, it also might embitter voters toward other candidates who fail the test. And as Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders demonstrated Thursday night, that risk extends to Warren.

Seconds after Warren and Pete finished up, Sanders swooped in to boast that he is “the only candidate up here that doesn’t have any billionaire contributions,” which includes Warren. Her current presidential campaign, not her old pre-pledge Senate campaign, has accepted donations at or near the $2800 individual contribution limit from at least six billionaires.
**** the purity tests.. they've caused too much Grief already

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Cha

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14. Attempt to "kill the messenger" again?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:34 PM
Dec 2019
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George II

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3. Good for him. I wish our candidates would stop sniping at others about the way they fund....
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:21 PM
Dec 2019

...their campaigns.

Bottom line to me, who gives a crap? At lead Buttigieg is being honest about his fundraisers and receipts, unlike some.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
13. In a better world, or a better political system, we wouldn't have to dump
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:58 PM
Dec 2019

insane amounts of money into political campaigns. Unless and until that changes, though, it's just stupid to limit your fund-raising efforts on the basis of some self-imposed purity test, thereby tying one hand behind your back (or else not being honest about your funding sources). Don't bring a spork to a knife fight. As long as it's legal and properly reported I don't care how the candidates raise campaign funds.

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Cha

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16. Ikr.. "Bottom line.. who gives a crap?"
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:07 AM
Dec 2019
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jalan48

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5. I wonder what a $900 bottle of wine tastes like.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019
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The Velveteen Ocelot

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6. There's nothing particularly exotic or high-rent about a wine cave.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019

I've been to one and I'm not a billionaire or even a millionaire. A wine cave is simply a restaurant that's built into the side of a bluff or hill where they can keep their wine cellar. Warren made it sound like it was like having a fund-raiser on a yacht in the Carribean. And the attendees were limited to a maximum donation of $2800, just like the rest of us. Can any candidate be bought for $2800, even in a wine cave?

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Demsrule86

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10. I know folks will say it is because of Biden...I support him and I do. But I must say I thought
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:47 PM
Dec 2019

Warren was off last night...at one point she wasn't paying attention I guess and she asked one of the moderators if they were talking to her...she also came off as angry. I thought the attack on Buttigieg whom I do not support was unfair...you have to raise money to run unless you are a a billionaire. I thought she told some good stories about the suffering under our current Medical system but with proper subsidies and a public option, much of that can be eliminated. I don't think either she or Bernie made the case for M4A very well. I thought Biden, Klobachar, buttigieg and Yang did well last night. Although, debates are not going to change folks minds in IMHO. Bernie was Bernie if you like him you still like him. Warren had a bad night IMHO. But she has loyal followers...the needle did not move after this debate.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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11. I like all of the participating candidates pretty well,
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:54 PM
Dec 2019

except for Bernie, whose shtick has gotten really, really old - no matter what question he's asked, his answer always seems to be that whatever the problem is, it's all the fault of the billionaires. Obviously I'd support him in the general election but he just doesn't light my fire. I like many things about Warren but her routine sometimes sounds like Oprah giving away cars ("And YOU get free college! And YOU get free health care!" ), and M4A is not playing well overall. Buttigieg is always fast on his feet, but I do agree that the attacks were unfair. He's been catching up so that was to be expected. Biden was solid and sharp - best debate so far for him.

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Beringia

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8. How could he not watch the debates
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:37 PM
Dec 2019

He could be in a future one. I would think he would be glued to it, for strategy purposes.




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highplainsdem

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9. I'm guessing he recorded it.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:38 PM
Dec 2019
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Beringia

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12. Ya, that makes sense
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:55 PM
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