UNITY NOW! "We are going to take on the Democratic establishment."

[George II]

Link to tweet

[David__77]

1. Great!

...

[brooklynite]

7. Sanders in Dec 2015: 35%. Sanders in Dec 2019: 20%

Perhaps (especially after the 2018 results) there are more people in the "Democratic Establishment" than you think.

[David__77]

8. I'll take it.

...

[Cha]

40. 30 years in Congress is the definition of Establishment.

Link to tweet

[Me.]

46. This

"▪30 years in Congress is the definition of Establishment. ▪Every time you run for office it is as a Democrat.
▪You are the Democratic Establishment"

[Cha]

49. Exactly, Me! BS is the very definition of Democractic Establishment

So he's going to take on himself?

Link to tweet

Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" and so are all the wonderful Dems in the Democratic Black Caucus.. a!nd Rep Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler... Nancy Pelosi

So are all the Dems who won in the Blue Wave Midterms.. who made it possible to #45IMPEACHED!

[Me.]

50. Wouldn't It Be Hilarious

If Larry David did a skit welling about BS

[Cha]

52. It would be just desserts.

[cwydro]

129. No shit.

I won’t say what I’d like to say, but puhleeze.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

167. Damn right... with all the other Democratic candidates in race?! Hell yeah!!

GO BERNIE!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[George II]

10. Dec 2015 was back when people were saying "no one knows him"!

[Lexee]

37. What happens now that we know him.

[Cha]

41. Victoria Brownworth to BS..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Lexee]

55. This is what makes me laugh Old white man with three decades in congress. The very definition

of establishment. And the people that buy it.

[StarfishSaver]

65. IKR?

[ehrnst]

76. Excellent point. Pelosi accomplished far, far more

than he he has in the way actual progressive ACTION since Trump has been elected.

Also, she has gotten access to health care for 30 million more people than Senator Sanders has.

Hillary and Ted Kennedy got access to health care for millions of children.

I can't imagine that would make him resentful.


He certainly doesn't have a problem with accepting all that "Establishment Democratic" $$ and infrastructure when he runs for Senate or for POTUS.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-independent-media-coverage-220747

[Cha]

84. Brilliant points, ehrnst! Thank You!

[ehrnst]

131. I like to do my research.

[muriel_volestrangler]

134. He says, in the clip you posted, "we are going to take on the Republican party"

Was your sound turned down? Did you assume that The Hill has transcribed the entire 32 second clip, but it was just "we are going to take on the Democratic Establishment"? The moral of your post: don't trust The Hill's tweets to give you the whole story.

Brownworth is wrong - he doesn't run as a Democrat for Congress. And the "Democratic establishment" is opposed to his Medicare for All plan, which is what the clip is about (if you'd had your sound turned up, you'd know that).

[booley]

59. remind me what is Buttigieg polling at again?

We have what.. 15 candidates in the. primary a supposed to 2 at this point last time (Ok technically OMalley was still in. But not really)

It's a bit worrisome how many seem to think we can just replay 2016.

[brooklynite]

141. I don't understand why Bernie supporters think "there are more candidates" is a good answer...

What it suggests is that Sanders was successful in 2016 only because the other option was unacceptable. Given a range of choices (especially among the "establishment Democrats&quot he's far less popular.

As for Buttigieg, I don't go around talking up my candidate's "surging" so I don't understand the comparison.

[Gothmog]

137. Attacking the Democratic Party is nota good way to win votes from members of the party

[Polybius]

177. You or someone else keeps saying this over and over again

And the reason gets explained every time. In 2016, there was basically only one serious candidate, and she was endorsed by nearly ever Congressperson and Senator. Not so this time.

[squirecam]

197. I'm not understanding....

If people wanted Bernie as their first choice, then he’d have the same %, or more. But he doesn’t.

So was his 2016 partly a protest? No other option?

If so, that does not bode well for him.

[Polybius]

199. Look at Hillary's numbers in the primaries for example

They were what, high 40's or more? If she were running today, she would not be in the high 40's/early 50's. It was an entirely different type of race with only two serious candidates.

[squirecam]

205. I disagree

She had that same high support against Obama.

If she were in this race, she’d be well above or at Biden’s level.

She would also have a large% of those who would choose any other first. The spot Bernie is also in. I think she and Biden would be largely splitting the vote, with the Sanders diehards supporting him. There would be no rest of the field.

[Polybius]

206. Against Obama was a two-person race too

If she were in this race, she would in no way be above 25%, probably 18%. Too many people this time around are glad she decided not to run again, and Biden is a strong candidate. They would likely split much of what he has now. But we'll never know. Unless she jumps in now.

[squirecam]

209. Oh

I’d be against her. But she would have 30%. The key would be whether that 1/3 can take her all the way, just like Biden is going to try to do.

I think the difference is Biden will gain support later on, while HRC would have the issue of never Hillary voters, just as Bernie is facing.

[Cha]

39. To BS..Have you considered taking on the GOP? They are the party of wealth, racism, misogyny, NRA

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

74. He certainly has no problem taking the "Democratic Establishment" $$, media and infrastructure.

During a town hall-style event in Columbus, Ohio, the independent Vermont senator said, “In terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.” He then took a dig at MNSBC, telling Todd, the network “would not have me on his program” if he ran as an independent.

Money also played a role in his decision to run as a Democrat, Sanders added.

“To run as an independent, you need — you could be a billionaire," he said. "If you're a billionaire, you can do that. I'm not a billionaire. So the structure of American politics today is such that I thought the right ethic was to run within the Democratic Party.”

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-independent-media-coverage-220747

So there's that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

81. And in the process give ANOTHER ELECTION to the fascist killers?

[PatSeg]

2. That's hardly a unifying message

We should be taking on Donald Trump and corrupt republicans in congress.

[LongtimeAZDem]

3. SMH

[comradebillyboy]

4. How about taking on the f##king Republicans?

[Green Line]

5. +1

[LongtimeAZDem]

6. +∞

[George II]

12. How did you do that?

[LongtimeAZDem]

14. Copy and paste from the Windows character map :)

[George II]

15. Bazinga! Thanks.

[boomer_wv]

13. Thats because....

Bernie believes in isolationism, protectionism, and populism. Who does that remind you of?

[George II]

22. Hmm now, ummmm......no comment.

[comradebillyboy]

61. I can think of at least one person...

[secondwind]

31. Bingo!

[Mz Pip]

32. This

We don’t need to be divided any more than we already are.

[nini]

44. And this is EXACTLY why I don't trust him

or his freaking propaganda infested talking points.

[RandiFan1290]

119. We are

That is what bothers you so much

[brooklynite]

9. Sanders, Our Revolution and Justice Democrats took on the Democratic Establishment in 2018

Remind us how that worked out?

[George II]

11. Don't know about the first two, but Justice Democrats endorsees were 7 for 79, and....

....one of those seven ran unopposed and three were incumbents. Not a single red seat was flipped, but about a dozen red seats were flipped by Democrats whose primary opponent was endorsed by Justice Democrats.

Now, what were we saying about the "Democratic Establishment"?

[boomer_wv]

16. It tells me that...

A. These groups can't compete in competitive "purple" districts.
B. They hurt democratic candidates in general elections because they poison the well against democratic candidates with the more liberal voters.

[squirecam]

198. Yep

nt

[PhoenixDem]

18. Infuriating n/t

[rzemanfl]

78. You can edit a post rather than self-deleting it and posting a new one.

The old one would stay up while you edited it though.

[crazytown]

19. Here's a suggestion,

secure the nomination and win the presidency. Nothing shapes the 'establishment' of the Democratic Party like the Oval Office and wide electoral success.

[NYMinute]

20. This is pathetic

a small fringe group, many of whom are not even Democrats, trying to go after the great Democratic party.

Tail wagging the dog.

[Hav]

21. I'll have to throw up...

By far the biggest cheers was not for taking on Trump, Republicans or corporate greed. It was for taking on Democrats. And no one is surprised by that. This will be 2016 all over again, Russian bots don't even have to work hard for it. It's the same toxicity and division that they can feed on and amplify.

But god forbid, what happens should he actually win the Presidency? What is he going to do? Still take on the Democratic "establishment"? It's easy to stir up emotions by creating boogeymans. The problem with everybody being your enemy is that you can't get anything passed and no one wants to work with you.

[George II]

23. To me the best way to "take on the Democratic Establishment" would have been to....

...JOIN the Democratic Party and work from within for 10-20 years to reshape them. You don't "take on the Democratic Establishment" as one person attacking them for decades from the outside.

[TidalWave46]

24. Nothing new.

Republicans have always done it.

[Skidmore]

25. What can be said?

Sanders is as clueless as I thought. Why try to tear down natural allies when they likely agree with you on the majority of your positions and carry them in the party's platform? Why take help from the patry and knife them at the same time? Not a way to gain supporters from either side. Duplicitous. To me it is starting to appear that Sanders is a useful tool, a face for something else.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Unity now! Let's take down everyone in the Dem Party that we don't agree with!

[jrthin]

27. That's right. Let's divide then get conquered.

[c-rational]

28. Doesn't Unity now mean you should not be fighting us but leading us?

[George II]

29. Yes, and just last night someone here was telling us how he's one of our "strongest leaders":

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=390007

[NurseJackie]

181. LOL

[secondwind]

30. The Democratic establishment is practically all of us.

Let’s not tear each other up with this nonsense!

[LongtimeAZDem]

34. When he signed the pledge to run as a Democrat, he was supposed to become part of it

[Skidmore]

45. I don't see

those cavalierly labeled as "establishment" pushing divisive, wow the burnt earth with salt destruction of the very party they are using. Dying you won't vote for a candidate is hardly the same thing.

[OldRed2450]

33. Bring it on.

[Lexee]

35. Some outsider comes into our primary to take it on in our primary instead of Trump.

He has and is doing so much damage. We have such an important election in front of us, and he is doing an huge wrong.

[Thekaspervote]

138. +1000

[Desert grandma]

36. How about a Unified Democratic Party

taking on the GOP right wing fanatics? To senator Sanders and his supporters....This is EXACTLY what Putin wants you to do and say... If you are running as a Democrat, then for God's sake STOP making remarks that sow division within OUR party!!!

[StarfishSaver]

38. The "Democratic establishment" is working day and night to pull this nation out of the hell we're in

Maybe instead of ranting about "taking on" our leaders during this precarious time, Bernie can roll up his sleeves and help them by directing his fire and ire at the real enemy.

[Lexee]

56. Right. The Democratic establishment are the ones that has given us all and any progression forward.

It is the Democratic Establishment that have stood up to the Republicans holding them at bay the last three years while Sanders has sat in the Senate and not accomplished anything. The Democratic Establishment do the work while Sanders gripes about them.

[apcalc]

128. Perfect reply . Spot on!

[ehrnst]

132. And producing way, way more actual results for progressive policies than Senator Sanders. (nt)

[StarfishSaver]

143. Ain't that the truth?

[greatauntoftriplets]

42. Other Democrats -- mostly lifelong Democrats -- are not the enemy.

The party of drumpf is. Take them on, not us.

[The Valley Below]

43. I stand with the Democratic Party

And stand against its critics.

Enough of this BS!

[dware]

48. LOL.

Enough of this BS!

I see what you did there.

Great play on words!!!

[Me.]

47. Happy To Be Able To KR

[MaryMagdaline]

51. Because that's what's wrong with America

Universal healthcare, minimum wage, equal rights, not conservative judges, babies in cages, destruction of clean air and water regs

[George II]

54. Of course it's all the fault of Establishment Democrats.

[Tiggeroshii]

53. Go Bernie!!!!!

[George II]

69. I agree with that sentiment 100%!

[Eliot Rosewater]

83. Some folks believe rump and putin are better for us than Democrats.

Lots of different groups believe this, lots of people, not all rightwingers.

I have said it for years, but I gave up sounding the alarm.

[sheshe2]

97. ...

[Tiggeroshii]

112. Thank you for your undying, undeniable support for the best future president ever!!!!!!

[we can do it]

188. And take tulsi with you.

[Tiggeroshii]

192. No thanks

You can have her

[booley]

57. You assume he wants ot unite with Big Money

This is about unifying the Democrats around our values.

Allowing the donor class to determine policy has been a slow death for the Democrats. It's led to bleeding of support for decades now.

We can't unite the Democrats unless something is done about it, like it or not.

[George II]

58. I, and obviously most Democrats, don't need to be told by someone who can't be bothered to be...

....a Democrat except for a year or so every four years about what "we" need to be unified.

There is no such thing as a "donor class", that's merely a catchphrase to create division.

[booley]

60. Have you ever asked fewer and fewer people want to be called Democrats?

This isnt' a slam on Democrats, quite the contrary.

People support Democratic policies.

yet a lot of them have a problem with the party itself.

Can you explain that discrepancy?

I dont' think you can.

I will just lay it out

To many Sanders represents what Democrats used to be and should be. He is symbolic for why a lot of people had good feelings about the Democrats.

I don't know about you but I want a Democratic party that looks like the Democratic party.

There is no such thing as a "donor class"

That you would even say that with any kind of seriousness is a problem. Refuting this would require explanations on so many basic and established concepts and facts, that I don't' think it is ignorance that prompted you to say it.

This denial helps no one but Trump in my opinion.

[George II]

62. If the "donor class" really exists, who comprises it? Keep in mind, the maximum donation....

....is $2800 per year per campaign (primary and general election)

[booley]

66. you want me to explain to you how money is power?

Again let me explain my problem

This is like explaining what money is. Or how to chew.
The knowledge should have been obtained just by being alive on the planet.

Personally i think you are trolling me

But ok could show this

or this

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2019/11/18/here-are-the-billionaires-funding-the-democratic-presidential-candidates/

or this

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/18/big-donors-threaten-to-bolt-from-democrats-and-thats-a-good-thing/

[Recursion]

182. Everybody has the same donation limit, $2800

I'm not sure why a billionaire's $2800 is supposed to get more access than somebody else's.

[Lexee]

184. I listened to an hour and 15 minute interview with Yang at University of Chicago last night.

It was very good. I have not listened to the man for an extended interview. It made me appreciate him even more.

[Recursion]

187. It's a good format for him

He does better in those appearances than with stump speeches. Glad you listened!

[Lexee]

72. So the Democrats who are actually doing the work to get the stuff done for the working people are

the bad guys and Sanders who has been in office for three decades and has done very little for the people is the good guy? Maybe the people you are referring to need to educate themselves.

Trump working class supporters also state that Trump is doing for them what the Democrats have failed to do for them.

We all pretty much know the bs in that statement.

[Hortensis]

178. Wow, booley. I'll just lay it out: America is awash

in anti-Democratic Kool-Aid and has been for decades. Massive Republican propaganda. Because they can't get majority support for what they do, they suppress opposition by deceiving as many as possible that there is no party that fights for the rights and wellbeing of the people.

And populist Sanders piggybacks on that message as he trolls for populist discontent and resentment. I've come to believe he believes what he constantly says, that there's little difference between liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans. But that's bizarre. It's literally claiming there's little difference between those who stand for equality and those who stand for inequality, a living wage or exploitation, democracy or authoritarianism, individual rights or opposing them. Who believes a thing like that?

And THAT's your answer. It's understandable but still very dismaying that many ignorant, uncaring people can be so blind and clueless about who and what we are, but here?

God! We're proud of what we are part of!

You should be too.

[msongs]

63. I prefer someone who takes on the Republican establishment, not attack democrats nt

[Hekate]

64. What you said

[booley]

67. So billionaires and big business only donate to Republicans?

Becuase I don't see how we can take on the reason Republicans ignore the needs of the country without taking it ALL on.

Money buys influence. Donors arent' stupid. They understand this.

[George II]

70. I gave $5.00 to Joe Biden this weekend hoping to acquire some influence. In fact...

....I've now made contributions to Biden, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and Sanders. Yes, Sanders!

Figure if I spread out my $30-50 perhaps I can get appointed to be Ambassador to Nambia or Wakanda.

[George II]

91. Billionaires can't give a penny more than millionaires or people with lower resources, and.........

.....for about the thousandth time on this site and elsewhere, BIG BUSINESS cannot donate to ANY candidate, Democrat, republican, or independent. ZERO. That is illegal and I'm sure 99% of the people here who discuss these things know that.

[betsuni]

92. Yet again I'll drag out Al Franken's book:

"Campaign contributions don't buy votes. What they buy is access. ... They may have donated to you not in order to buy your support going forward, but because you've been supporting their good cause all along. And more often than not, you're not meeting with them because of a check they wrote, but rather because you're on the same team. You're strategizing together about how to move the ball forward, and trading useful information about how to achieve a shared goal."

Bill Maher has donated $3 million over the years to super PACs to elect Democrats. I guess Democrats are beholden to Big Maher now, he's the "donor class." He donated because he's on the same team. If he thought only about his money and not paying taxes, he'd give money to Republicans and vote for them.

Demonizing the wealthy who donate to Democrats, attributing supernatural corrupting powers to money used to pay for campaigns and assuming moral corruption is inevitable because of it, is not helping anyone except Republicans, who win when people think both sides are the same and don't vote (one reason). Rich people give fundraisers all the time for all sorts of things.

[Lexee]

99. This is a very good post. Democrats, well before we heard Sanders voice, opposed citizen united.

Where money in politics really do the harm. Obama and HRC were speaking out against citizen united in 2008.

[myohmy2]

108. of course...

...and this is what Bernie said

"...so what we are going to do, is take on the greed of the insurance companies and the drug companies...we're going to take on trump, we are going to take on the republican party, we're going to take on the Democratic establishment and we're going to pass a Medicare For All...(and the final sentence, I couldn't understand the recording)…"


...some are conflating greed of insurance companies with republican party with Democratic establishment...

...they are not all equal or the same...

...do you not have to 'take on' all that is opposing you if you want to win an election?

...Bernie is not saying the Democratic establishment is the same as or equal to the republican party...

...we need to be serious...

...Bernie is a true FDR Democrat...

[squirecam]

200. So Bernie

Is for internment camps and lack of civil rights?

FDR had a lot of downsides too.

And you can’t be an FDR Democrat if you aren’t a Democrat.

[Gothmog]

71. I and others agree

Link to tweet

[treestar]

158. +1

When is Bernie going to take on the Republicans?

[Gothmog]

68. I am proud member of the Democratic Party

Why is sanders attacking the Democratic Party instead of trump?

[ehrnst]

73. Interesting choice of opponent, especially since he's relying on Democratic establishment

$$$, and infrastructure, in order to run on a Democratic ticket for the most establishment office in the U.S. government.

[highplainsdem]

75. All the more reason why he should NEVER be the Democratic nominee.

[ehrnst]

77. Not much chance he will be, for this very reason. (nt)

[OAITW r.2.0]

79. He's been fighting this battle for as long as I can remember.

Has he defeated the windmill yet?

[TexasTowelie]

80. K&R! nt

[myohmy2]

82. "We are going to take on the Democratic establishment."

...better to take on the Democratic Establishment than to take on your voters...

...you might need them...

[Eliot Rosewater]

86. NONSENSE that person clearly stated he was a rightwinger

Ahh shit, this is gonna be a meme.

Yep, I recognize what is happening here.

[George II]

90. It a typical, but totally unrelated, "yeah but...." deflection.

[George II]

89. That "voter" obviously wasn't a Democratic voter and he blatantly lied....

....about Joe and Hunter Biden.

This has been hashed and rehashed more than two weeks ago when it happened. Why are you bringing this up NOW in a totally unrelated discussion?

Can you address the OP and discuss that other stuff in a separate thread where it belongs, please?

Thanks.

[myohmy2]

94. I'm sorry...

...you feel that way...

...since Bernie was being mocked for 'taking on' something, I thought it was appropriate to show what other candidates have 'taken on'...


"That "voter" obviously wasn't a Democratic voter..."

...I didn't think it was so 'obvious'...

...there was a big Biden banner on the wall at what appeared to be a Democratic Biden rally in which a member of the audience asked a legitimate question many voters have on their mind...

...the man didn't appear to be a professional so his 'question asking skills' may not have been perfect the but the question was legitimate...I thought Joe's response was untactful and overboard and will be used many times by trump should Joe be our nominee...


...in contrast, I don't believe Bernie would ever respond like that to anyone, especially at a rally...

[George II]

95. You did not listen to what that "democratic voter" said. I don't care what you think about....

....Biden's response, he and his son were being lied about. Period.

Aside from that, it has ZERO relevance to what's being discussed here, we're discussing Sanders' bashing of Democrats, not Biden's response to a single person weeks ago. You can go on about anything that happened there, but it won't change Sanders' bashing of the Democratic Party and Democrats, which include ME!

[myohmy2]

100. relax...

...don't get excited...

...it's not good for your blood pressure...

[Cha]

114. Nobody needs you telling them to "relax & don't get excited"

Everyone is just fine without your worrying about their "blood pressure".

[myohmy2]

117. "Nobody needs you telling them to "relax & don't get excited"

...very insensitive...

...when do we hold Union Steward elections on DU?

...I might run...

[Cha]

118. Worry about yourself.. We're doing fine.

[myohmy2]

124. I'll try...

...but I do worry...

...I worry about how we're going to coming together after all this Bernie hatred...

...I sure would hate to see 4 more years of trump...

...definitely worried...

[Cha]

125. you do that.

[Thekaspervote]

139. Bernie is the one creating the hate you speak of!

[ehrnst]

166. ...posting video of Bernie speaking is "Bernie hatred?"..

...What are you implying...

...Democrats came together after Nader lost, so I wouldn't worry too much about those that aren't on Bernie's bandwagon...

...others however...

...I worry...

...like what you said about venom...

[squirecam]

201. No

Not enough of them did, and Gore lost.

That’s where this whole both parties are the same nonsense started. With Nader.

[George II]

133. You're making totally false statements about that interchange between Biden....

....and that guy who some at the Town Hall said was a republican, and you tell ME to relax? WTF do you know about my blood pressure?

STOP the personal attacks, please!

[ehrnst]

170. ...Nobody needs you telling them to "relax & don't get excited...

...very insensitive...

..."I know you are but what am I" reposte...

...again...

... ...

[LanternWaste]

215. Kinda bemusing you make unsupported allegations while yet instructing others how to behave.

Ten bucks says you'll fail to see that particular irony.

[ehrnst]

172. ...Bernie sends others to respond that way to another rally after the voters have gone...

Link to tweet

... ...

[Cha]

113. "You might needs them".. Your WhatAboutBiden is FAIL.

[ehrnst]

135. ....attacking voters...you mean like this?...

...or does it not count when one sends someone else to attack voters on one's behalf?...

Link to tweet

[squirecam]

202. Yep

nt

[emmaverybo]

176. You go Joe! Call the liars liars.

[ehrnst]

212. Joe? Who are "the liars?"

[Eliot Rosewater]

85. The simple question now is how many tens of thousands, or more, of his supporters

will now NEVER vote for our nominee?

I hope it isnt enough to reelect a fascist killer, since that is all that is at stake.

[awesomerwb1]

87. Is this red meat for his base?

Because otherwise it’s a pretty stupid statement from someone who’s been in office for like 30 years and chooses to run as an “establishment” candidate when it’s convenient for him.

[betsuni]

88. Yes to both sentences.

[NurseJackie]

93. This is why he won't be our party's nominee. There are more people who love the Democratic party...

This is why he won't be our party's nominee. There are more people who love the Democratic party more than he hates the Democratic party. There are more of us who are loyal to the party and who are proud of our party than there are of his followers who have nothing but contempt for the party.

No matter how many times the Democratic party is accused of being "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt"... IT WILL NEVER BE TRUE. The Democrats are not the enemy here. I wish more time was being spent on attacking the GOP instead.

It really serves no good purpose for anyone to smear, malign and denigrate the Democratic party. Things like that only cause distrust and resentment. It divides and weakens. It creates negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[TexasTowelie]

101. +1

[Dem4Life1102]

96. And we are going to vote for a real Democrat

[TexasTowelie]

102. Yes I am!

[NurseJackie]

104. I only support Democrats. Only.

[Lexee]

105. I will be voting for a real Democrat, like I have for a lifetime.

[The Valley Below]

109. Count me in.

[RandiFan1290]

120. Demand PURITY!!!

[Dem4Life1102]

123. So you're saying we shouldn't vote for Democrats?

[ehrnst]

130. Like the self-defined "progressive wing" does?

[LanternWaste]

216. Seems as absurd as demanding revolution, no?

(this is where we pretend six of one does not in fact, equal half a dozen of the other... as our bias demands it of us)

[NYMinute]

98. The ultimate phoney politics

Only one other tops the use of this scorched earth policy and that is Trump.

[TexasTowelie]

103. Right on with your analysis.

[betsuni]

106. +1

[myohmy2]

107. why all this venom...

...for Bernie...as best I could recall, Bernie said

"...so what we are going to do, is take on the greed of the insurance companies and the drug companies...we're going to take on trump, we are going to take on the republican party, we're going to take on the Democratic establishment and we're going to pass a Medicare For All...(and the final sentence, I couldn't understand the recording)…"


...read it, listen to it and then tell me if it isn't pure FDR?

...and you can't get much more DEMOCRATIC than FDR...

...when Bernie gets the nomination, I sure hope we can all come together...

...there's a lot at stake in 2020...

[NYMinute]

110. BS should be attacking Trump and republicans

Instead, he is attacking Democrats .... and being divisive in the process.

[TexasTowelie]

111. Bernie himself is responsible for creating the poor reception that he is receiving.

It begins as early as 2012 when he said that President Obama should be primaried and continues with his negative comments about the Democratic Party since then.

[Cha]

115. Sorry.. We Want to WIN & BS being Divisive is not

the one to do it.

We a Uniter NOT a Divider.

[Dem4Life1102]

116. The difference is FDR was actually a Democrat

and never attacked the party or other Democrats.

[myohmy2]

126. I don't...

...believe Bernie was attacking the Party...

...this is what Bernie said

"...so what we are going to do, is take on the greed of the insurance companies and the drug companies...we're going to take on trump, we are going to take on the republican party, we're going to take on the Democratic establishment and we're going to pass a Medicare For All...(and the final sentence, I couldn't understand the recording)…"


...some are conflating greed of insurance companies with republican party with Democratic establishment...

...they are not all equal or the same...


...DO YOU NOT HAVE TO 'take on' ALL THAT IS OPPOSING YOU IF YOU WANT TO WIN AN ELECTION?


...Bernie is not saying the Democratic establishment is the same as or equal to the republican party...

...the Democratic establishment does not want to see Bernie their nominee...the Democratic establishment is not the entire Democratic Party...the Democratic establishment is in opposition to Bernie's election...

...this venom is coming across to many, myself included, as pure Bernie hatred...

...not good...

[ehrnst]

136. ...

...others here see this very differently....

...this is Democratic Underground, in case you are forgetting which board you are posting on...

[myohmy2]

157. "...this is Democratic Underground, in case you are forgetting which board you are posting on..."

...what are you saying?

...Democrats are unwelcome here at the Democratic Underground?

...shameful...

[ehrnst]

164. ...nice attempt at "I know you are but what am I" evasion...

...predictable...


... ...

[Dem4Life1102]

154. BS

The Democratic establishment IS the party. Claiming that it wasn’t an attack is like Trump claiming it was a perfect call.

[ehrnst]

156. Excellent analogy.

[RandiFan1290]

121. They need someone to blame

if their candidate elects trump again

[ehrnst]

148. "They?" "Their" candidate? "Elected Trump?"

Did you forget which board you're posting on?

[George II]

149. "They"? Just who are "they"?

[Lexee]

155. Democrats. Bad bad Democrats. Sanders just said.

[myohmy2]

159. you may be right...

...I just don't understand why many think Bernie is so BAD...

…I think Bernie speaks the truth, he has great policies that will transform and benefit the working-class like no other...is that BAD?

...what's so BAD about Bernie?

...he has and is gaining political and financial support of millions upon millions of working-class voters...is that BAD?

…so what's so BAD about Bernie?

...he sounds like FDR, he's policies are pure FDR, he'll lead like FDR and he wants to help the working-class like FDR...is that BAD?

...I don't understand...

[Dem4Life1102]

161. FDR supported Democratic

and the Democratic Party of which he was a life long member of.

However FDR wasn’t perfect. He turned a blind eye to segregation, illegally interned Japanese Americans, created the military industrial complex and dumped the liberal Henry Wallace off the ticket for the more moderate Harry Truman. And let’s not forget setting the retirement age for Social Security at 65 when the average life expectancy was 62. Liberals at the time were outraged by this, accusing FDR of having working finance pensions for rich men.

[myohmy2]

162. I'll agree...

...nobody's perfect...

...all I know is, if it wasn't for what FDR and the Democrats set into motion 80 years ago, I'd be a lot more hungry, a lot more sick and a lot more poor than I am today...and so would millions and millions of other working-class Americans...

...I'm grateful...

[Dem4Life1102]

163. True

But let’s be honest about him and not try to rewrite history.

[ehrnst]

165. Much mythology has developed about him and the New Deal.

As we have seen.

[squirecam]

204. Yes

Although Truman did integrate the Military.

[Dem4Life1102]

210. Yes Truman did

But FDR did not.

[George II]

127. "venom FOR" Bernie? Did you watch the video? How about venom FOR the Democratic Party....

....in that video?

[Thekaspervote]

140. I've read it and listened and he is no FDR

He creates the divisive climate you speak of, time and again.

Thank goodness he will not be the nominee!

[ehrnst]

147. That's for sure. (nt)

[George II]

150. The funny thing is just a few weeks ago supporters of one candidate were trying to differentiate...

....him from FDR. Now this.

[Dem4Life1102]

160. FDR was no FDR

At least the revisionist version of him that some have constructed.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

168. Not too worry... we WILL come together when Bernie wins the nomination. After all...

aren't we still the "big tent" party?! At least, I always thought so and that there was room for Bernie and his supporters inside the tent.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[myohmy2]

169. you've...

...made me feel much better...

...President Sanders...

...we can do it...

[ehrnst]

173. ...chin up...

...not good for your blood pressure to get so upset...



... ...

[myohmy2]

174. thank you...

...I must have touched a nerve here...

...I wonder what others believe in?

...

[ehrnst]

183. ...a taste of one's own medicine didn't go down well, did it?...

... ...

[ehrnst]

171. You'll be OK when he doesn't.

Nader's fans were OK after he lost, and you were OK when he lost before.

You're still here, and that means you're strong enough to be here after he doesn't get the nomination in 2020.

[Demsrule86]

175. He will not be the nominee.

[Peacetrain]

122. Such a huge step backwards!! We need to unite not divide..

[LuvLoogie]

142. Bernie is like a rebellious, 70 year old teenager,

living on his own in his Democratic parents' basement, whining when the fridge isn't full.

[Lexee]

144. Haha. That is just right. I do not think he has changed or grown or progressive one iota from

his 17 yr old self.

[LongtimeAZDem]

145. Well put!

[ehrnst]

146. Good analogy. (nt)

[betsuni]

179. Exactly. He made up his mind when he heard a Kennedy and Nixon debate.

Both of them condemned Castro's revolution and Bernie said it made him nauseated. Since then nothing can change his mind that the two parties aren't the same.

I prefer intellectuals.

[Lexee]

185. Sanders sold his vote in 1991 to the Democratic Party to not have a viable competitor.

What does that make him?

[JustAnotherGen]

151. Why would he say such a thing?

Seriously. Does he not realize that foments resentment? Stokes up the same thing as was done last year? He's shooting a bullet in His, Warren's, Biden's, Klobuchar's, Castro's and Booker's foot with this.

If he's serious - then I'm looking at only Steyer, Yang, Buttigieg and Williamson.

The rest are full blown DC insiders.

[George II]

152. You're quite correct. In the unlikely event he gets the nomination and is elected.....

....he's going to be PLEADING for the help and support of the "Democratic establishment"! Given what he's been saying for the last few decades, he certainly isn't going to get very much from the bulk of the Democratic Party.

[JustAnotherGen]

153. You know me George - I will vote blue regardless of who the nominee is

With one exception only . . .

This might rally his core supporters - but turn off life long Democrats. The worst case - none of the 'core base' lifts a finger to help him.

This NOT a time for attacking each other under ANY circumstances.

[Recursion]

180. I kind of like the Democratic establishment

It's a bunch of people busting their asses to keep people I care about alive.

[Lexee]

186. Right? Kind of why I have proudly been a part of the Democratic establishment for a lifetime.

[George II]

190. It really bothers me that someone would use the Democratic establishment and infrastructure....

....to ATTACK the Democratic establishment.

[Lexee]

191. It is certainly bold and not backing away from standing with Cenk, regardless of the take back.

Dismissing Women and Democrats in one week.

[Gothmog]

189. Why are people attacking the Democratic Party?

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

194. +1

[NurseJackie]

195. Perfect! That's exactly it.

This is, of course, the goal of Cenk Uygur's group: the "Justus Democrats". This is why I cannot trust or support anyone associated with that group, or anyone that JD promotes/supports.

[Cha]

193. Kick for coninued exposure!

Mele Kalikimaka, George!

[MineralMan]

196. Exactly the Wrong Message for These Primaries.

The enemy is the Trumpist Republicans, not other Democrats. Yours is a losing campaign, Senator Sanders, if you think the enemies are other Democrats. Your zeal is misplaced, Sir.

[calimary]

203. Oh great. In other words, let's tear each other apart and lose again.

[BootinUp]

207. Thanks for the help BS. Nt

[sheshe2]

208. Kick

[Gothmog]

211. Why does sanders want to destory the party that he wants to be the nominee of

[NurseJackie]

213. He's not a Democrat. He's a Socialist. He's just using the mechanics of the party...

He's not a Democrat. He's a Socialist. He's just using the mechanics of the party to take advantage of the system. He's made it exceedingly clear how he feels about the Democratic party and Democrats. We're just a means to an end... only... there aren't enough of his followers to earn him the nomination. Lifelong and loyal Democrats remember what has come before and what has been said. We're not fools. We weren't born yesterday. We have standards that are much higher.

[LanternWaste]

214. An establishment politician telling us how bad establishment politicians are.

While the faithful flock, wearing the trendy t-shirt that say "anti-establishment" or "vive la revolution!", proselytizes to us on how to be a better members of the working class.

And the irony was never thicker.

[Lexee]

217. That is what gets me the most with Sanders and his hypocrisy. He is the very definition of

establishment.

[TidalWave46]

218. He is taking on so many things that he no longer knows up from down.

His campaign against the press and journalism is one of the best.

[Gothmog]

219. For this thread

Link to tweet