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Cha

(300,289 posts)
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:24 PM Dec 2019

Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age



Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" and so are all the wonderful Dems in the Democratic Black Caucus.. a!nd Rep Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler... Nancy Pelosi

So are all the Dems who won in the Blue Wave Midterms.. who made it possible to #45IMPEACHED!
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
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Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age (Original Post) Cha Dec 2019 OP
So your definition of establishment democrats is based on age and year elected? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #1
Your post has nothing to do with the OP. Cha Dec 2019 #2
"Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age " Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #3
Nancy Pelosi with the help of the Moderate Dems who Cha Dec 2019 #4
Yeah right?! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #17
To Nancy Pelosi.. our National Treasure! Cha Dec 2019 #24
Seems to be a thing...among the far left wing.* Scurrilous Dec 2019 #66
Wow.. thanks for that, Scurrilous.. & then Dennis Cha Dec 2019 #94
You're welcome Cha! Scurrilous Dec 2019 #125
Establishment vs Established. progressoid Dec 2019 #136
So, which are you referring to? ehrnst Dec 2019 #147
"Ruling Class" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #151
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #155
Your post has Nothing to do with the OP.. Cha Dec 2019 #160
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2019 #172
Mahalo, ehrnst! Cha Dec 2019 #175
I agree Gothmog Dec 2019 #185
Thank you, Goth! Cha Dec 2019 #186
So what, progressoid? What are you trying to say? Cha Dec 2019 #187
".. ruling class.. "? What are you trying to say? Cha Jan 2020 #190
Wrong. Cha Jan 2020 #196
Well, let's take a look... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #23
When BS says he will take on the "establishment" Dems.. Cha Dec 2019 #115
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #137
It appears to be based on the accomplishments from that time treestar Dec 2019 #133
There is essentially one candidate who goes out of his way to marginalize what he characterizes still_one Dec 2019 #5
Excellent post, still_one.. Thank you! Cha Dec 2019 #6
"There is essentially one candidate..." myohmy2 Dec 2019 #81
So let me understand this. Are you agreeing with the right wing talking point? still_one Dec 2019 #95
Ha! More WhataboutBiden from you.. you can't Cha Dec 2019 #112
...Actually, another candidate sends out others to do in their stead... ehrnst Dec 2019 #144
Self reflection is unnecessary... billpolonsky Dec 2019 #7
BS is the "establishment" just bc he's tries to use it as a slur it means Cha Dec 2019 #9
The Democratic Party WON the House Thanks to Nancy Cha Jan 2020 #195
I love Nancy Pelosi! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #8
MeToo :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #10
Yes, Nancy is a National Treasure.. a Uniter not a Divider.. Cha Dec 2019 #19
Sorry, Senator Bernie Sanders, I love the Democratic Establishment. :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #11
Yes, the Democratic Establishment lke John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi Cha Dec 2019 #106
The minute anyone gets to the point where they have the experience to actually get things done StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #148
Precisely, Starfish.. it's another Cha Dec 2019 #163
Maybe we take the time to listen to what Sanders actually says booley Dec 2019 #12
Oh don't worry, we do understand what he means by the establishment. It's not good. George II Dec 2019 #14
Then what is it? booley Dec 2019 #50
BS doesn't say what it is in the video. It's an applause line. lapucelle Dec 2019 #68
He gave a long list of people and institutions who he says oppose his policies booley Dec 2019 #70
A publicity stunt at Speaker Pelosi's office isn't local news... lapucelle Dec 2019 #84
Bit of a double standerd there booley Dec 2019 #96
"When people protest at Sanders office, they are grassroots" betsuni Dec 2019 #100
BS's own constituants protesting 10+ weekends against a BS program lapucelle Dec 2019 #117
Brilliant post, lapucelle. Thank you for laying Cha Dec 2019 #118
And there's this as well. lapucelle Dec 2019 #119
"Bernie Sanders is wrong -- twice -- in claim about defense budget voting record" Cha Dec 2019 #122
Thank you! sheshe2 Dec 2019 #152
Fact checkers that contradict Senator Sanders are suspect and in the pocket of ehrnst Dec 2019 #158
Sometimes I just have to wonder if it's just plain envy on the part of her haters. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #146
Ha!.. BS gets protested for.. Cha Dec 2019 #103
Oh my! betsuni Dec 2019 #104
Now that's a real protest.. not some grandstanding "publicity stunt" Cha Dec 2019 #105
That's interesting. For many, that would be "disqualifying" in any other candidate. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #145
omg,, YES! BS would be out there BLASTING Cha Dec 2019 #164
From your link. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #153
When one has ambitions far beyond representing one's home state ehrnst Dec 2019 #154
Sadly, true. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #156
Thank you for that, she! I feel for those people.. Cha Dec 2019 #166
So much for the Green New Deal. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #169
Yeah, don't talk to us Cha Dec 2019 #170
Anyone who disagrees with his economic policies. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #72
Here: betsuni Dec 2019 #82
Yeah, we've been paying attention for years. Cha Dec 2019 #107
Yes, good assessment KSNY Dec 2019 #15
Yes, and its so absurdly dismissive booley Dec 2019 #56
This isn't about "age".. the OP is saying BS Cha Dec 2019 #16
+1000 Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #20
Did you read the OP? booley Dec 2019 #54
You don't "understand" anything about me.. stop trying to act Cha Dec 2019 #79
You're right, I dont' know you. And you dont' know me booley Dec 2019 #97
Your Distraction about "AGE" is NOT Working. Cha Dec 2019 #99
She wrote the damn OP. lapucelle Dec 2019 #87
omg betsuni Dec 2019 #92
Yes I know booley Dec 2019 #98
"maybe she just didn't read what she was posting" betsuni Dec 2019 #101
It's not. It's evident the poster Cha Dec 2019 #110
lol! Cha Dec 2019 #109
IKR? ehrnst Dec 2019 #157
I don't even comment on Bernie Posts here RazBerryBeret Dec 2019 #31
That's right.. many of us don't like Cha Dec 2019 #102
Your post is trying to distract from what the Cha Dec 2019 #108
We know BS by.. thanks anyway. Cha Jan 2020 #189
Excellent tweet and post! Establishment Democrats made our party what it is today, and.... George II Dec 2019 #13
The video refers to the "establishment's" opposition to single payer healthcare KSNY Dec 2019 #18
Bull. Biden's Health plan is favored by more Voters and he's Cha Dec 2019 #21
Biden's plan is favored over Medicare for all? Citation? booley Dec 2019 #41
Here you go: ehrnst Dec 2019 #149
The "Establishment" isn't against single payer and it's NOT partly due to the influence... George II Dec 2019 #22
Do you have any proof? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author booley Dec 2019 #45
sure, the context of the video KSNY Dec 2019 #53
Exactly how is that slanderous in a legal sense? n/t MarcA Dec 2019 #60
No, that's why Republicans oppose any attempt at universal health care. betsuni Dec 2019 #49
Agreed. An inconvenient truth for some. And certainly Not MarcA Dec 2019 #55
Is it possible that they don't think treestar Dec 2019 #134
Of which there are two essentially. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #27
Yeah, BS ignores all that the Brilliant Achievements that the Dem Party has Accomplished Cha Dec 2019 #123
Besides Bernie can't walk in high heels. Nor look as good. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #25
Looks have nothing to do with this.. Nancy is a Uniter Cha Dec 2019 #28
Nancy is not running for President of the Untied States. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #30
Really! Joe Biden is.. and he's Uniter, too! Cha Dec 2019 #39
Okay, what ever you say. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #43
Whatevs. ehrnst Dec 2019 #74
I speak the truth.. so yeah. Cha Dec 2019 #80
The "whatever" response ehrnst Dec 2019 #140
Yeah, he's a uniter. Just look at all the Democrats uniting behind him!! progressoid Dec 2019 #138
Biden sure as hell isn't a divider. Cha Dec 2019 #161
So why is Bernie saying that he's taking on "the Democratic Establishment?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #73
The "Democratic Establshment" is on the Front Lines Fighting Cha Dec 2019 #162
Nancy opposes MFA and the Green New Deal ritapria Dec 2019 #26
So! Nancy wants to WIN and thinks Building on ACA/:Obamacare Cha Dec 2019 #33
Neither of those two, as presented, are practical, sensible, or passable. George II Dec 2019 #35
But when Pelosi disagrees with someone, she just says they have a difference of opinion StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #165
+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #167
"Establishment" as a derogatory term is such a drawback to the Nixon era, it's funny beastie boy Dec 2019 #29
beastie boy, hahaha. Sloumeau Dec 2019 #37
Mahalo, beastie! Cha Dec 2019 #40
"Establishment" took me way back, when I was wearing an afro and bell bottom jeans. beastie boy Dec 2019 #44
I was too white and my hair too blond to ever have a an afro... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #52
Technically, I am white too, but some Jews used to don mean afros back then. beastie boy Dec 2019 #57
Hahaha, yes, Seth Rogen has been known to sport a fine looking one of those. :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #59
Well that clears that up! Cha Dec 2019 #114
Oh yeah.. Groovy! Cha Dec 2019 #71
"Us" and "Them": Democrats are lumped in with Trump/Republicans and evil corporations as "Them." betsuni Dec 2019 #32
You said it, betsuni! :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #36
Thank you. ehrnst Dec 2019 #75
Yeah.. he is fooling NO ONE. Cha Dec 2019 #93
How odd that you are calling Planned Parenthood an Establishment Democrat. You know Autumn Dec 2019 #38
He did however call them part of the Establishment. nt sheshe2 Dec 2019 #42
He didn't say anything about Planned Parenthood in that clip. And PP is not Autumn Dec 2019 #48
Not in that clip. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #51
I'm certainly denying that he said PP is part of the Establishment in the clip the OP posted. Autumn Dec 2019 #58
OP: "Planned Parenthood is the 'establishment' ... ." betsuni Dec 2019 #83
SHE DIDN'T CALL PLANNED PARENTHOOD AN ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRAT. lapucelle Dec 2019 #89
Yeah, she kind of did. She lumped an organization in with "the Establishment Dems". Autumn Dec 2019 #141
That's actually using the term in a way that points out how "non-establishment" they really are. ehrnst Dec 2019 #142
She included the unfortunately telling "PP is the establishment" gaffe lapucelle Dec 2019 #143
+1 progressoid Dec 2019 #139
Hey! paleotn Dec 2019 #46
That should burn anyone with a shred of self-awareness Hekate Dec 2019 #47
The Internet is singing with multiple memes of Nancy socking it to the Establishment, & looking good NBachers Dec 2019 #61
If you've been in Congress for 35 years and you're NOT "establishment," you're doing it wrong StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #62
Thanks a million establishment Dems! We wouldn't be where we are today without ya! jalan48 Dec 2019 #63
We've IMPEACHED trump with the Democratic Cha Dec 2019 #90
I support Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party Gothmog Dec 2019 #64
Yes, I support the "Establishment" that BS is Cha Dec 2019 #126
+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #65
Nice infighting here. warmfeet Dec 2019 #67
Yes, its pathetic. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #69
So you obvilusly missed this Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #77
Compare their records of achievement also...the results are stunning. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #76
K&R. Thanks, Cha! highplainsdem Dec 2019 #78
He's a year and a half younger Polybius Dec 2019 #85
Yeah, I knew that.. but this is about Cha Dec 2019 #91
So tired of that guy. W_HAMILTON Dec 2019 #86
Bernie is losing it PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #88
So it all comes down to if you want status quo, vote Joe. If you want a better way, vote Warren or brutus smith Dec 2019 #111
BS Disses himself. We call him out. There are no "status quo" Cha Dec 2019 #113
Status quo right now is Trump and Republicans. betsuni Dec 2019 #116
I didn't diss any Dems. Nice try tho! brutus smith Dec 2019 #127
Yes, you did: "if you want status quo, vote Joe" LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #130
Aaaaa, no I didn't. I made an observation brutus smith Dec 2019 #131
Status quo is another such term treestar Dec 2019 #135
Thank You!!! Peacetrain Dec 2019 #120
Exactly well put, Peacetrain! "It's time to stand up for our Cha Dec 2019 #124
Yeah, lots of luck with that Bernie. cwydro Dec 2019 #121
Why is being an establishement Democrat a bad thing? Gothmog Dec 2019 #128
I completely agree. cwydro Dec 2019 #129
+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #150
When will he take on the Republicans? treestar Dec 2019 #132
Well, Biden's taking on trump NOW! Cha Dec 2019 #159
+1 treestar Dec 2019 #171
Divisive rhetoric NYMinute Dec 2019 #168
Way too Diviive! It never ends. Cha Dec 2019 #174
I stand with Spezker Pelosi Gothmog Dec 2019 #173
And there it is underthematrix Dec 2019 #176
Thank you for this, underthematrix! Cha Dec 2019 #177
Thank you. I really really try to avoid criticizing any of the candidates but underthematrix Dec 2019 #178
+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #179
I like being an Establishment Democrat Gothmog Dec 2019 #180
Thank you for that, Goth.. it shows Cha Dec 2019 #181
It takes years of hard work to earn a slot to the National Convention Gothmog Dec 2019 #182
And, most of us Appreciate all the diligence of Dems who Cha Dec 2019 #183
If the Democratic Establishment is so terrible, why'd they impeach Trump? betsuni Dec 2019 #184
We're not suppose to notice Cha Jan 2020 #188
Nancy Pelosi! Cha Jan 2020 #191
K&R RandySF Jan 2020 #192
I WISH we were a country where Pelosi and Planned Parenthood were "establishment" (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #193
Amen! Cha Jan 2020 #194
 

Voltaire2

(13,917 posts)
1. So your definition of establishment democrats is based on age and year elected?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:26 PM
Dec 2019

Interesting.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
2. Your post has nothing to do with the OP.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:28 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,917 posts)
3. "Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age "
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:29 PM
Dec 2019

lulzd. You crack me up.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
4. Nancy Pelosi with the help of the Moderate Dems who
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:37 PM
Dec 2019
won the Blue Wave Midterms Impeached 45.. and "BS is going to take her on?"
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Thekaspervote

(33,259 posts)
17. Yeah right?!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:13 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe he’ll name another post office!

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
24. To Nancy Pelosi.. our National Treasure!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:22 PM
Dec 2019
Mahalo, Kasper
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
66. Seems to be a thing...among the far left wing.*
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:50 PM
Dec 2019

Dennis Kucinich was the primary sponsor of 5 bills that were enacted:

H.R. 5390 (111th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 13301 Smith Road in Cleveland, Ohio, as the “David John Donafee Post Office Building."

H.J.Res. 26 (111th): Proclaiming Casimir Pulaski to be an honorary citizen of the United States posthumously.

H.R. 6150 (110th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 14500 Lorain Avenue in Cleveland, Ohio, as the “John P. Gallagher Post Office Building."

H.R. 1056 (106th): Small Business Year 2000 Readiness Act.

H.R. 4083 (105th): To make available to the Ukrainian Museum and Archives the USIA television program “Window on America."

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/dennis_kucinich/400227


*After being elected to Congress in 1996, Kucinich began to position himself on the far left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
94. Wow.. thanks for that, Scurrilous.. & then Dennis
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:30 AM
Dec 2019

Kucinich went to fox.. and then he ran for governor of Ohio. I don't know what he's up to now.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
125. You're welcome Cha!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:31 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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progressoid

(50,167 posts)
136. Establishment vs Established.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:01 PM
Dec 2019

The establishment: the ruling class or authority group in a society; especially, an entrenched authority dedicated to preserving the status quo.

Established
: formed, founded, instituted set up in business
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
147. So, which are you referring to?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:29 PM
Dec 2019

And please don't quote Jeremy Carl of the Hoover Institute again. Not really a good source for that kind of thing.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
151. "Ruling Class"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:33 PM
Dec 2019

Is Bernie saying that Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, et al are "entrenched authorities dedicated to preserving the status quo"?

That might come as a surprise to them.

Can you point to, exactly, what "status quo" they're dedicated to preserving and exactly what they're doing to preserve it?

Of course, Bernie has had all the opportunities in the world to supplant them as members of the "ruling class," but he's chosen instead to remain on the outside yelling about how they're doing it all wrong.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
160. Your post has Nothing to do with the OP..
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:29 PM
Dec 2019

and That's REALITY.

The Democratic Party is for Working People and holding the trump assholes Responsible for their corruption.



your trying to drag on my Democratic Party with your insult words is Not Working, progressoid.

But Please Proceed.
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
175. Mahalo, ehrnst!
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 07:46 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
186. Thank you, Goth!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:30 AM
Dec 2019

No kidding! Shine that light on Reality!

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
187. So what, progressoid? What are you trying to say?
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 11:15 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
190. ".. ruling class.. "? What are you trying to say?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
23. Well, let's take a look...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:21 PM
Dec 2019

...by starting with an article on NPR from 2016 entitled, "People Keep Talking About 'The Establishment.' What Is It, Anyway?". Link:

https://www.npr.org/2016/02/11/466049701/how-establishment-became-the-buzzword-of-the-2016-election

"It's kind of what we used to call 'The Man,' when you are against The Man," said Nathan Gonzales, editor and publisher of the Rothenberg and Gonzales Political Report. "The establishment has become 'The Man.'"

No one wants to be the square who hates rock 'n' roll. And no one wants to be "establishment" in the 2016 presidential race. Hillary Clinton quickly distanced herself from the label when Bernie Sanders used it against her in the last presidential debate. Republican Jeb Bush only grudgingly accepted the label.

"Fine, I'll take it," he said.

That's too bad for him. As political strategist Mark McKinnon told NPR, this is the most anti-establishment race he has ever seen.

In fact, here's how he defined "establishment": "The measles. A disease. A political disease."


In other words, "the establishment" is apparently slur that Bernie Sanders uses against people that he is running against. I am not particularly worried. Bernie's not going to win anyway.



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Cha

(300,289 posts)
115. When BS says he will take on the "establishment" Dems..
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:18 AM
Dec 2019
.. what he is saying is that he is taking on the party that has been a the forefront of Women's, Civil and LGBTQ rights.

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Response to Cha (Reply #115)

 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
133. It appears to be based on the accomplishments from that time
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:22 PM
Dec 2019

to the present. Effectiveness. It's one thing to rant on about the Establishment but another thing to deliver.

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still_one

(93,474 posts)
5. There is essentially one candidate who goes out of his way to marginalize what he characterizes
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:38 PM
Dec 2019

as “establishment” Democrats, implying they are not “real Democrats”, and this is according to HIS definition, which amounts to anyone who doesn’t agree with him

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
6. Excellent post, still_one.. Thank you!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:40 PM
Dec 2019

We need a Uniter.. and that would be Joe Biden in my View!

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myohmy2

(3,386 posts)
81. "There is essentially one candidate..."
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:22 PM
Dec 2019

...who went out of his way to marginalize a voter at a meeting...





...who could that be?...
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still_one

(93,474 posts)
95. So let me understand this. Are you agreeing with the right wing talking point?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:56 AM
Dec 2019

There is a big difference between calling an individual out for spewing right wing LIES, and painting "establishment Democrats" as the bad guys



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Cha

(300,289 posts)
112. Ha! More WhataboutBiden from you.. you can't
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:56 AM
Dec 2019

debate the OP so you resort to the usual "What About Biden" and you didn't even get that right.

Biden is righteously calling out a Lying RW TROLL.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
144. ...Actually, another candidate sends out others to do in their stead...
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

...When the voters aren't around to answer to those accusations...

...or the candidate isn't around to state the case themselves...




..what was it you were you saying about "venom" earlier?...

..oh yes, i remember...

" "
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billpolonsky

(270 posts)
7. Self reflection is unnecessary...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:47 PM
Dec 2019

...if you think everything was great before and don't plan to do anything new.

The Establishment is a dominant group or élite that holds power or authority in a nation or in an organisation. It may comprise a closed social group that selects its own members, or entrenched élite structures in specific institutions. One can refer to any relatively small class or group of people that can exercise control as The Establishment. Conversely, in the jargon of sociology, anyone who does not belong to The Establishment may be labelled an "outsider&quot as opposed to an "insider&quot .
]


[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment|



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Cha

(300,289 posts)
9. BS is the "establishment" just bc he's tries to use it as a slur it means
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:52 PM
Dec 2019

nothing..



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Cha

(300,289 posts)
195. The Democratic Party WON the House Thanks to Nancy
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

Pelosi.. That was NEW.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
19. Yes, Nancy is a National Treasure.. a Uniter not a Divider..
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:14 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
11. Sorry, Senator Bernie Sanders, I love the Democratic Establishment. :)
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:00 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
106. Yes, the Democratic Establishment lke John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:43 AM
Dec 2019

and all those who fought so hard for our Democracy and Civil Rights for Decades are to honored.. not scorned for someone's agenda.

Mahalo, Sloumeau!

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
148. The minute anyone gets to the point where they have the experience to actually get things done
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019

some people try to kneecap them by smearing them as "the establishment." Usually it's done by people who themselves either can't or don't want to do the real work of actually effecting change, but would rather just yell about what needs to be done and blame "the establishment" for not accomplishing it to their satisfaction.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
163. Precisely, Starfish.. it's another
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:37 PM
Dec 2019

horror show playing out

Thank you!

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booley

(3,855 posts)
12. Maybe we take the time to listen to what Sanders actually says
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:00 PM
Dec 2019

When Sanders talks about the "establishment he isn't' referring to Planned Parenthood.
He is not referring to someone's age
He isnt talking about someone's gender.

Seriously, by now we should all understand what Sanders means by the establishment. Sanders literally says what he means in the video posted above. Did no one notice a theme in the list of people he plans on taking on? Especially given that the House plans on repealing a number of the taxes that fund the ACA. That seems way more relevant to a medicare for all speech than when Nancy Pelosi was born.

So this all looks way too close to a straw man.

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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Oh don't worry, we do understand what he means by the establishment. It's not good.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:04 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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booley

(3,855 posts)
50. Then what is it?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:05 PM
Dec 2019

Explain to e what you think Sanders means by Democratic establishment" and maybe provide something that backs that up?

Because anyone who thought Pelosi's age or gender was relevant to the speech Sanders gave is seriously missing the point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
68. BS doesn't say what it is in the video. It's an applause line.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:22 PM
Dec 2019

It's a straw man of his making. In the video's context, the term is a reference-less, meaningless buzzword.

If you want to see activists protesting the establishment, just watch the local news.

https://www.mynbc5.com/article/f-35-protests-continue-outside-of-bernie-sanders-office-burlington/28590844





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booley

(3,855 posts)
70. He gave a long list of people and institutions who he says oppose his policies
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:39 PM
Dec 2019

Insurance companies, Republicans, trump, and yes the Democratic establishment

What might all of these have in common when it comes to Medicare for all, for instance?

Maybe something to do with how money trumps the public good? Not to mention a certain political status quo that many want to maintain (even as it hurts millions) Sorry I had thought the context was obvious. IF you think I got the context wrong, by all means, show me the full speech and we can parse through it together.

If you want to see activists protesting the establishment, just watch the local news.


And this isn't?



Or this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/22/dianne-feinstein-sunrise-movement-green-new-deal

How about this one?

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/11/22/joe-biden-tells-immigration-activist-you-should-vote-trump/4273814002/

I can tell you a big difference from the establishment. Sanders will actually LISTEN to protesters. He won't' condescend. He won't brush them off with "You didn't' vote for me" or "vote for trump"

I also admit I am c0nfused. IF you are genuinely against military spending, isn't Warren a bit of a problem for you? Really all the Contenders are more problematic on this issue than Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
84. A publicity stunt at Speaker Pelosi's office isn't local news...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 11:00 PM
Dec 2019

...it's a publicity stunt.

If a politician with a quarter of a century as a Washington insider has a long laundry list of those with whom he is aggrieved, then the problem is likely with the politician.

Democratic Speaker Pelosi has a remarkable list of accomplishments in her years in Washington. She knows how to work hard and get things done. Unfortunately, it is a skill set not every legislator bothers to acquire and cultivate.



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booley

(3,855 posts)
96. Bit of a double standerd there
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:32 AM
Dec 2019

When people protest at a Sanders office, they are grassroots

When people do ti at Pelosi's office, it's a publicity stunt.

That seems like a rather self-serving rationalization.

Dont' even care WHY they were protesting at her office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

betsuni

(26,544 posts)
100. "When people protest at Sanders office, they are grassroots"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:07 AM
Dec 2019

I don't understand this. What protests? Sanders is the one who always calls things grassroots.

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lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
117. BS's own constituants protesting 10+ weekends against a BS program
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:21 AM
Dec 2019

that HE imposed on them despite its negative impact on the quality of THEIR proximate environment and everyday lives exemplifies grassroots activism at its best: the people taking on the political establishment.

Not me. Us, indeed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/10/bernie-sanders-faces-backlash-over-war-machine-he-brought-to-vermont.html

******************************************************************************

Dubious organizations grandstanding in a hall near Speaker Pelosi's office in the interest of staging self-serving, one-off, instagram-ready photo-ops borders on astroturfing.

It's not a "double standerd". It's a distinction with a difference.

******************************************************************************



https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00674697

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
118. Brilliant post, lapucelle. Thank you for laying
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:39 AM
Dec 2019

out so well, the difference between constituents, in BS' home state, protesting for over 2 months against the "war machine he brought to Vermont"...

And.. "Dubious organizations grandstanding in a hall near Speaker Pelosi's office in the interest of staging self-serving, one-off, instagram-ready photo-ops borders on astroturfing".

I had no idea this was going on.. "Antiwar candidate Bernie Sanders faces backlash over the $1.2 trillion war machine he brought to Vermont".. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

Nice touch with the "Not me. Us, indeed."

Well Done!

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lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
119. And there's this as well.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:03 AM
Dec 2019
Bernie Sanders is wrong — twice — in claim about defense budget voting record

Our Ruling
In a campaign video that has been viewed almost 320,000 times on Twitter alone, Sanders made the statement that he has voted against all of Trump’s defense budgets and that he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary to do so.

It is true the Vermont senator has publicly opposed all of the president’s military spending packages, but he has not voted against all of them. Sanders is also wrong to say he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary who has voted against the proposals. In fact, Gabbard is the only candidate who can make that claim.

We rate this statement as False.




https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud/
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
122. "Bernie Sanders is wrong -- twice -- in claim about defense budget voting record"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:17 AM
Dec 2019

How can BS be so "wrong"?! Why would he say "Wrong" things?!

Bernie Sanders is wrong — twice — in claim about defense budget voting record

Our Ruling

In a campaign video that has been viewed almost 320,000 times on Twitter alone, Sanders made the statement that he has voted against all of Trump’s defense budgets and that he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary to do so.

It is true the Vermont senator has publicly opposed all of the president’s military spending packages, but he has not voted against all of them. Sanders is also wrong to say he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary who has voted against the proposals. In fact, Gabbard is the only candidate who can make that claim.

We rate this statement as False.

https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud

Wow.. what if there were no one checking up on these statements?!

Mahalo, lapucelle
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
158. Fact checkers that contradict Senator Sanders are suspect and in the pocket of
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:35 PM
Dec 2019

big something or other.

They are clearly trying to tear him down because REASONS.

Don't you KNOW that??????




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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
146. Sometimes I just have to wonder if it's just plain envy on the part of her haters. (nt)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:21 PM
Dec 2019
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
103. Ha!.. BS gets protested for..
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:23 AM
Dec 2019
F-35 protests to continue outside of Sanders' office

BURLINGTON, Vt. —
Activists are expected to gather outside Sen. Bernie Sanders' office for the 10th straight week to protest his support of bringing F-35 fighter jets to Burlington International Office.

https://www.mynbc5.com/article/f-35-protests-continue-outside-of-bernie-sanders-office-burlington/28590844

Not a good look for mr green new deal How "establishment" is that?!

Mahalo, lapucelle
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
105. Now that's a real protest.. not some grandstanding "publicity stunt"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:40 AM
Dec 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
145. That's interesting. For many, that would be "disqualifying" in any other candidate. (nt)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:19 PM
Dec 2019
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Cha

(300,289 posts)
164. omg,, YES! BS would be out there BLASTING
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:51 PM
Dec 2019

whomever.

Thank you for that, ehrnst

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sheshe2

(84,917 posts)
153. From your link.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:55 PM
Dec 2019
The group is listing eight reasons to cancel the program, including that the city base violates military law, and will increase the risk of a nuclear war.


Other concerns by the activists, including increased noise, have been at the forefront of community conversation for more than a year.


The jets are expected to significantly increase noise heard in Burlington, Winooski and other nearby communities that are located under flight paths.

According to an estimate by the Federal Aviation Association, at least 2,640 homes will experience increased noise through 2023, something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.


Read this again:something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.

at least 2,640 homes will experience increased noise through 2023, something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.


…………………………...

This is about the quality of life and financial security for the citizens of VT.
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
154. When one has ambitions far beyond representing one's home state
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:14 PM
Dec 2019

one's home state inevitably becomes less of a priority.

Or home district.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
166. Thank you for that, she! I feel for those people..
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:01 AM
Dec 2019
Those are their homes that are being invaded with NOISE & Toxic Pollution. Killers to life and Peace and Quiet.. which are valued highly by everyone I know.

Like has been said.. if another candidate would be doing this.. BS would be all over it.
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sheshe2

(84,917 posts)
169. So much for the Green New Deal.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:17 AM
Dec 2019

Toxins, noise pollution and stress on the people in VT.

What about their property values, will they be compensated for their loss? What good will a 15 dollar minimum wage increase do them is they lose 10+ thousand on the value of their homes when they try to sell? Who will buy them?

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
170. Yeah, don't talk to us
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:31 AM
Dec 2019

about a "green new deal" when this toxic poisonous junk is brought to Burlington VT in spite of Protests..

Excellent point about "property values"! omg.. which I'm sure the home owners have thought of, too. yeah, who wants to buy into that?

Mahalo, she Unbelievable! You cannot make this shite up.

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Demsrule86

(69,335 posts)
72. Anyone who disagrees with his economic policies.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:01 PM
Dec 2019
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betsuni

(26,544 posts)
82. Here:
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:57 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie's whole philosophy is based on the idea that dysfunction in government is caused by money in politics. He wants to be seen as an outsider (and therefore uncorrupted by money in politics) while obviously being a member of the government. He does this by creating a corrupt Establishment beholden to wealthy donors, corporations, lobbyists, Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc., which has abandoned unions and the middle/working class, is the same as Republicans except for "identity politics":

"What being part of the establishment is .. have a super PAC that raised 15 million from Wall St., that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other interests. To my mind, if we do not get a handle on money in politics and the degree to which big money controls the political process in this country, nobody is going to bring about change that is necessary in this country for the middle and working class families." (There are infinite quotes about the establishment just like this)
Creating an enemy (from campaign email) :

"Some of the wealthiest members of the political establishment are hiding behind closed doors -- with their canapes -- plotting to defeat our political revolution."

Way to insult a person or organization not endorsing you:

"We're taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we're taking on the political establishment. So, I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund and Planned Parenthood. But you know what ... some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment."

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
107. Yeah, we've been paying attention for years.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:45 AM
Dec 2019
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KSNY

(315 posts)
15. Yes, good assessment
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:09 PM
Dec 2019

Thanks to the OP for the video, but the OP's commentary is unnecessarily dismissive of the ideas expressed in the video.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

booley

(3,855 posts)
56. Yes, and its so absurdly dismissive
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:15 PM
Dec 2019

Anyone who watches the video can figure out what the OP is saying has nothing to do with what Sanders was saying.

Its such an obvious straw man.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
16. This isn't about "age".. the OP is saying BS
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:09 PM
Dec 2019

and Nancy have been in Congress the same amount of time and happen to be the same age.. "and he wants to take her on?!"

BS blankets everyone with "establishment" who doesn't support him.

We need a Uniter like Joe Biden!

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booley

(3,855 posts)
54. Did you read the OP?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:13 PM
Dec 2019

I can understand maybe you didn't' know you could watch the video but the tweet that is responding to it is right there.

Let me help you by pointing it out

"Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age. There were only 35 women in Congress. She rose to Speaker. Bernie rose to senator of the 2nd least populous state.


So what doe sit say?
Pelosi is as the same age as Sanders
Pelosi is one of "Only 35 women in Congress"

The OPs author then brings up Planned PArenthood, and race and impeachment.

What does any of that have to do with the disconnect between the popularity for Medicare ofor All versus why it has so much opposition in Congress?

Let's make this simple.. if the OP wasn't about Pelosi's age and gender, why does it lead with that? Why doesnt the tweet nor the OP address what Sanders said in the video it's linked too?


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
79. You don't "understand" anything about me.. stop trying to act
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:20 PM
Dec 2019

like you do.

This is about emphasizing that BS and Nancy started out at the same time and Nancy as an Established Dem has accomplished Way More than BS has.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
97. You're right, I dont' know you. And you dont' know me
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:34 AM
Dec 2019

All I know about you is what you have been saying here.

And what you have been saying here makes no sense in relation to the tweet or the video.

I asked what I thought wa sa very simple question?

if the OP wasn't about Pelosi's age and gender, why does it lead with that? Why doesnt the tweet nor the OP address what Sanders said in the video it's linked too?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
99. Your Distraction about "AGE" is NOT Working.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:38 AM
Dec 2019

that's what I know.

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lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
87. She wrote the damn OP.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:17 AM
Dec 2019
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booley

(3,855 posts)
98. Yes I know
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:37 AM
Dec 2019

But I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she just didnt' read what she was posting.

The alternative is less flattering.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

betsuni

(26,544 posts)
101. "maybe she just didn't read what she was posting"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:09 AM
Dec 2019

How is that possible?

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
110. It's not. It's evident the poster
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:53 AM
Dec 2019

doesn't understand the OP by the way he's giving his interpretation.

Thanks, betsuni;candle:

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RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
31. I don't even comment on Bernie Posts here
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:31 PM
Dec 2019

it's not worth it. He isn't a favorite, any positive mention will be met with many angry negatives.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
102. That's right.. many of us don't like
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:12 AM
Dec 2019

the divisiveness he's always saying about our Democratic Party.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
108. Your post is trying to distract from what the
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:49 AM
Dec 2019

OP is about.

I don't expect BS supporters to get it.. BS can try to "take on" Nancy Pelosi and all those he labels "establishment" but we fight back.

Nancy is particularly excellent at that.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
189. We know BS by.. thanks anyway.
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:33 PM
Jan 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Excellent tweet and post! Establishment Democrats made our party what it is today, and....
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:02 PM
Dec 2019

....despite the expected pushback (of which I really don't care) we have the best party in the country.

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KSNY

(315 posts)
18. The video refers to the "establishment's" opposition to single payer healthcare
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:13 PM
Dec 2019

This is partly due to the influence of corporate money and that of pharmaceutical and health-insurance companies' lobbyists.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
21. Bull. Biden's Health plan is favored by more Voters and he's
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:19 PM
Dec 2019

ahead in the polls. We're here to beat trump not go for BS' mfa.

BS' "corporatist" meme.. has lost all meaning.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
41. Biden's plan is favored over Medicare for all? Citation?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:52 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe but this is the first I am hearing it.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
149. Here you go:
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:45 PM
Dec 2019
KFF polling has found broader support for more incremental changes to expand the public health insurance program in this country including a government-administered public option (66%) and for proposals that expand the role of public programs like Medicare and Medicaid (Figure 15 and Figure 16).


https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

You're welcome.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
22. The "Establishment" isn't against single payer and it's NOT partly due to the influence...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:21 PM
Dec 2019

...of corporate money. That's simply a smokescreen for a flawed plan.

What the "Establishment" is against is that the ONLY acceptable plan is "single payer". It's not just the "Establishment", it's the majority of the people who live in this country. To the "Establishment" it is NOT a case of all or nothing. If the "Establishment" went along with that we wouldn't have the ACA today.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
34. Do you have any proof?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:34 PM
Dec 2019

that corporate money and that of pharmaceutical and health-insurance companies is the reason? I mean, that's a pretty slanderous assumption.

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Response to OldRed2450 (Reply #34)

 

KSNY

(315 posts)
53. sure, the context of the video
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:09 PM
Dec 2019

and the decades-long record of Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama) which did not even put single payer on the table when proposing health-care legislation. I'm not attacking anyone, just pointing out that in the context of the video, Sanders mentions the democratic party's reluctance to provide the type of health care Americans deserve.

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Undecided
 

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
60. Exactly how is that slanderous in a legal sense? n/t
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:30 PM
Dec 2019
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betsuni

(26,544 posts)
49. No, that's why Republicans oppose any attempt at universal health care.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:01 PM
Dec 2019

They are the party against regulating industries like pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
55. Agreed. An inconvenient truth for some. And certainly Not
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:14 PM
Dec 2019

a right-wing talking point as some would claim.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
134. Is it possible that they don't think
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:27 PM
Dec 2019

it's a good idea, don't think it will work for this size country, don't think it can get through with the system's tilt towards conservatives or various other reasons you don't agree with; why it is always necessary to make it about the campaign funding? You really believe every representative works directly in the interests of whoever funds them (which would be tough, given that could represent many opposing interests) and that's what you'd do if you were elected?

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
27. Of which there are two essentially.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:26 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
123. Yeah, BS ignores all that the Brilliant Achievements that the Dem Party has Accomplished
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:42 AM
Dec 2019

and goes straight to "Establishment" "Establishment" "Establisment" with some "corporatist" "corporatist" thrown in there for added insult.

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
25. Besides Bernie can't walk in high heels. Nor look as good.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:24 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
28. Looks have nothing to do with this.. Nancy is a Uniter
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:27 PM
Dec 2019

BS is being divisive again.

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
30. Nancy is not running for President of the Untied States.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:31 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
39. Really! Joe Biden is.. and he's Uniter, too!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:45 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
43. Okay, what ever you say.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:59 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
80. I speak the truth.. so yeah.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:20 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
140. The "whatever" response
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:47 PM
Dec 2019

When someone has no rebuttal, but still wants to think they got the last word, and really told 'em!

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progressoid

(50,167 posts)
138. Yeah, he's a uniter. Just look at all the Democrats uniting behind him!!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:36 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
161. Biden sure as hell isn't a divider.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:07 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
73. So why is Bernie saying that he's taking on "the Democratic Establishment?"
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:07 PM
Dec 2019

Speaker Pelosi is one of the most powerful, influential and consequential Democrats in decades.

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
162. The "Democratic Establshment" is on the Front Lines Fighting
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:20 PM
Dec 2019

Against #45IMPEACHED and corruption in the WH.. but yeah BS is whipping up his fans to take them on.



Mahalo, ehrnst!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
26. Nancy opposes MFA and the Green New Deal
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:25 PM
Dec 2019

The Bernie faction of the Party support MFA and the Green New Deal …. We can belong in the same party and have differing points of views on major issues ….The Dem "Establishment" have hastened yet another huge increase in the Defense Budget as well as the birth of Space Force ...The healthcare industry have won another round of legislative victories ……

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
33. So! Nancy wants to WIN and thinks Building on ACA/:Obamacare
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:33 PM
Dec 2019

is the best way to GO. I agree! Nancy should know.. that's how she helped Win the Midterms in 2018. She is a National Treasure and a Uniter.

Dems all want what's best for our Planet..

We need a Uniter like Joe Biden.. not someone who is Divisive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. Neither of those two, as presented, are practical, sensible, or passable.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:39 PM
Dec 2019

You're right, we can belong to the same party and have differing points of view on major issues, but MOST of us long-time Democrats don't call those who disagree with us derogatory names.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
165. But when Pelosi disagrees with someone, she just says they have a difference of opinion
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:05 PM
Dec 2019

She doesn't accuse them of being a sellout or lacking in values.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(10,058 posts)
29. "Establishment" as a derogatory term is such a drawback to the Nixon era, it's funny
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:30 PM
Dec 2019

how today's forward-looking "revolutionaries" use the word while accusing Democrats of being behind times. It is equally nonsensical whether it comes from 78 year old Bernie or 30 year old AOC.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
37. beastie boy, hahaha.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:42 PM
Dec 2019

Next thing you know, Bernie will refering to "the establishment" as "a bunch of squares".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
40. Mahalo, beastie!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:47 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(10,058 posts)
44. "Establishment" took me way back, when I was wearing an afro and bell bottom jeans.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:59 PM
Dec 2019

Aloha, Cha!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
52. I was too white and my hair too blond to ever have a an afro...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:05 PM
Dec 2019

but I thought they were way cool. I think I need to put some Earth, Wind, and Fire on...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(10,058 posts)
57. Technically, I am white too, but some Jews used to don mean afros back then.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:18 PM
Dec 2019

Shining star for you to see
What your life can truly be!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
59. Hahaha, yes, Seth Rogen has been known to sport a fine looking one of those. :)
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:28 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
114. Well that clears that up!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:04 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
71. Oh yeah.. Groovy!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:44 PM
Dec 2019
Aloha, BB!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(26,544 posts)
32. "Us" and "Them": Democrats are lumped in with Trump/Republicans and evil corporations as "Them."
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:32 PM
Dec 2019

And of course the longest and loudest cheering is for going after establishment Democrats.

Will someone please tell these people that the reason President Obama couldn't be "transformative" and "FDR" was total Republican obstruction and not because Democrats don't fight and are bought off? Are they seeing all that the Democrat-controlled Congress is doing? Well, I suppose the superior smug warm feeling of being an "Us" against those corrupt Democrats makes people feel good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
36. You said it, betsuni! :)
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:40 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
93. Yeah.. he is fooling NO ONE.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:21 AM
Dec 2019


Thank you for this excellent post!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,335 posts)
38. How odd that you are calling Planned Parenthood an Establishment Democrat. You know
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:45 PM
Dec 2019

PP is not a person and it's not a part of the Democratic party. Nice stretch.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(84,917 posts)
42. He did however call them part of the Establishment. nt
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:53 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,335 posts)
48. He didn't say anything about Planned Parenthood in that clip. And PP is not
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:00 PM
Dec 2019

an "Establishment Democrat," and he said nothing about age. Nice stretch there too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(84,917 posts)
51. Not in that clip.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:05 PM
Dec 2019

However, are you denying that he indeed said PP is part of the Establishment?

PS. I was addressing his words from the past. I was not addressing age.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Autumn

(45,335 posts)
58. I'm certainly denying that he said PP is part of the Establishment in the clip the OP posted.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:21 PM
Dec 2019

Because it's not there but the OP infers it. Age and Bernie "saying" PP is an "Establishment Democrat" is the big part of the OP I replied to. That's not in the clip the OP posted. For that matter, Bernie didn't even call Pelosi an "Establishment Democrat", the OP did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(26,544 posts)
83. OP: "Planned Parenthood is the 'establishment' ... ."
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:42 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie: "We're taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we're taking on the political establishment. So, I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund, in Planned Parenthood. But you know what ... some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment."

Neither the OP or Bernie called Planned Parenthood an "Establishment Democrat."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
89. SHE DIDN'T CALL PLANNED PARENTHOOD AN ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRAT.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:26 AM
Dec 2019

Nice stretch...


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https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=390604

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,335 posts)
141. Yeah, she kind of did. She lumped an organization in with "the Establishment Dems".
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:50 PM
Dec 2019
Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" and so are all the wonderful Dems in the Democratic Black Caucus.. a!nd Rep Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler... Nancy Pelosi
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
142. That's actually using the term in a way that points out how "non-establishment" they really are.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:05 PM
Dec 2019

It's called irony.

Ironic statements (verbal irony) often convey a meaning exactly opposite from their literal meaning. In ironic situations (situational irony), actions often have an effect exactly opposite from what is intended.


https://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

You see, the Black Congressional Caucus is progressive, and under fire from conservatives, as is Planned Parenthood.

You're welcome!
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lapucelle

(19,093 posts)
143. She included the unfortunately telling "PP is the establishment" gaffe
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:07 PM
Dec 2019

made by a candidate in the last cycle.

There is nothing in the post "lumping in" an organization with individuals.

So no, she absolutely didn't.



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paleotn

(18,379 posts)
46. Hey!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:00 PM
Dec 2019

Don't dis Vermont. We cancel out Wyoming's two Rethuglican Senators. No maple syrup for you!

And yes...we have more Senators than Reps and like it that way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(92,302 posts)
47. That should burn anyone with a shred of self-awareness
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:00 PM
Dec 2019

Thanks Cha.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NBachers

(17,417 posts)
61. The Internet is singing with multiple memes of Nancy socking it to the Establishment, & looking good
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:42 PM
Dec 2019

and classy and in charge while doing it!

Bernie? I s’pose there’s a picture of him shouting and pounding a podium somewhere.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
62. If you've been in Congress for 35 years and you're NOT "establishment," you're doing it wrong
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:43 PM
Dec 2019

Since the whole point is to make change so that your way IS the established way of doing things. If you've been there for 35 years and you're still on the outside yelling and shaking your fist at the people who have moved past you and are working to actually get things done, you haven't been very successful, have you?

I am so not impressed with the railing against the "Establishment" by people who still haven't managed, after all these years, to actually figure out how to establish effect real change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(14,029 posts)
63. Thanks a million establishment Dems! We wouldn't be where we are today without ya!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:47 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
90. We've IMPEACHED trump with the Democratic
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:03 AM
Dec 2019

House Victory in 2018.

Establishment Dems have accomplished More than BS has.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(148,699 posts)
64. I support Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:47 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
126. Yes, I support the "Establishment" that BS is
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:32 AM
Dec 2019

dragging on.

We need a Uniter Not a Divider to be our candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
67. Nice infighting here.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:04 PM
Dec 2019
This will really help the Democrats defeat the orange asshole. Not sure what is going on, but this all looks really bad.

The optics are really, really bad. Fighting among ourselves ensures a repub win. Not what we want, am I correct?

I guess I don't know the answer. To me, however, it looks bad - sure to turn off some voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
69. Yes, its pathetic.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:22 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Eliot Rosewater

(31,360 posts)
77. So you obvilusly missed this
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:12 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287390375

SAnders is openly ATTACKING the D party, just in time to fuck us real good for the election.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eliot Rosewater

(31,360 posts)
76. Compare their records of achievement also...the results are stunning.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:11 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polybius

(16,173 posts)
85. He's a year and a half younger
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 11:17 PM
Dec 2019

Just sayin'.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
91. Yeah, I knew that.. but this is about
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:05 AM
Dec 2019

BS and Nancy starting out back then and what she's accomplished and what he's accomplished and "he's going after her".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(8,052 posts)
86. So tired of that guy.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 11:18 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
88. Bernie is losing it
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:24 AM
Dec 2019

He is besmirching some of our greatest leaders for a selfish personal gain. Not a good look.

Californians love Speaker Pelosi far far more than the out-of-state non-Democrat. Not very astute politically.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
111. So it all comes down to if you want status quo, vote Joe. If you want a better way, vote Warren or
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:56 AM
Dec 2019

Sanders. And please stop dissing Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
113. BS Disses himself. We call him out. There are no "status quo"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:00 AM
Dec 2019

candidates.. that's just something divisive that BS pushes.


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betsuni

(26,544 posts)
116. Status quo right now is Trump and Republicans.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:33 AM
Dec 2019

Please stop dissing Democrats with the "both sides" thing. Warren or Sanders would have to deal with Republicans the same way any other Democratic president would. FDR had large majorities in the House and a Depression that made obstruction by Republican impossible if they wanted to be reelected. It is 2019.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
127. I didn't diss any Dems. Nice try tho!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:00 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
130. Yes, you did: "if you want status quo, vote Joe"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:57 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
131. Aaaaa, no I didn't. I made an observation
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:16 PM
Dec 2019

And if you think Repubs in any way want to work with Dems, you need to pay attention to current events.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
135. Status quo is another such term
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:32 PM
Dec 2019

We are often stuck with it, as the system favors those who don't want change. Look at how hopeless it seems to get rid of the Electoral College. Health care could pass but only if there are enough Democrats, including Establishment ones. It's not the Democrats that prevent single payer, but the Republicans. This kind of critique pretends Republicans don't exist and don't have disproportionate power due to rural land getting more say than city people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(23,308 posts)
120. Thank You!!!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:05 AM
Dec 2019

It is time to stand up for our leaders that are standing up for us.. thank you Cha!!

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Cha

(300,289 posts)
124. Exactly well put, Peacetrain! "It's time to stand up for our
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:07 AM
Dec 2019
leaders who are standing up for us"!

I see your OP is 'causing quite a bit of commotion.. that "establishment" word sure has a lot of people bamboozled..
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
121. Yeah, lots of luck with that Bernie.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:12 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(148,699 posts)
128. Why is being an establishement Democrat a bad thing?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:14 AM
Dec 2019

I am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
129. I completely agree.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:17 AM
Dec 2019

I think Bernie is barking up the wrong tree.

He benefits from the Democratic Party, and then he turns around and attacks them. Ugh.

I too am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party. That’s why I’m saying good luck to him (sarcastically). Trying to bite the hand that feeds him. Smh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
132. When will he take on the Republicans?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:21 PM
Dec 2019

That's what I would love to know.

If he got the nom., would he just crow about taking out the Democratic Establishment? And not bother to beat Dotard?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
159. Well, Biden's taking on trump NOW!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:15 PM
Dec 2019


Mahalo, treestar
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
171. +1
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:18 AM
Dec 2019

Aloha Cha!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
168. Divisive rhetoric
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:12 AM
Dec 2019

The goal is to inflame the supporters and not try to get new supporters. Demonize a whole subset to make them hate the eventual nominee to set up an "I told you so" moment.

Bernie's rhetoric is stale and he is unsuccessful in attracting anyone new while he has lost more than half his prior support. So now he is trying to demonize the Democratic party to inflict pain and anger instead of any persuasive argument.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
174. Way too Diviive! It never ends.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 07:44 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(148,699 posts)
173. I stand with Spezker Pelosi
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 03:06 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
177. Thank you for this, underthematrix!
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 08:21 PM
Dec 2019
This is absolutely fascinating. The DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT is the most diverse caucus ever which means he's talking about taking on black and brown political leadership.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
178. Thank you. I really really try to avoid criticizing any of the candidates but
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 01:47 AM
Dec 2019

Last edited Wed Dec 25, 2019, 03:06 AM - Edit history (1)

this was something I had to respond to. Our BEST protection, as voters against emo-politics is to read read read and to think critically about what we read.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(148,699 posts)
180. I like being an Establishment Democrat
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 03:50 PM
Dec 2019

I am a proud member of the Democratic Party


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
181. Thank you for that, Goth.. it shows
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 04:36 PM
Dec 2019

how ridiculous "taking on the Dem Establishment" is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(148,699 posts)
182. It takes years of hard work to earn a slot to the National Convention
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 11:04 PM
Dec 2019

I have spent years working inside the party to turn Texas blue and we are making progress. I am proud of being part of the Democratic Party

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
183. And, most of us Appreciate all the diligence of Dems who
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 11:36 PM
Dec 2019

consistently work for the helping The People.. Thank You!

BS ignores the accomplishments of the Democratic "Establishment".. I'm beyond tried of him attempting to make it a dirty word.. he's Not going to do it.


If I were to vote in a presidential
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betsuni

(26,544 posts)
184. If the Democratic Establishment is so terrible, why'd they impeach Trump?
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 12:11 AM
Dec 2019

We're supposed to believe that Democrats are the biggest roadblock to progress and rig everything and let Republicans push the party to the Right for the last 40 years and are the same as them, yet they impeached a Republican president? Why? I guess for the same reason rich evil oligarchs donate to Democrats even though every candidate wants to repeal Citizens United and raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy -- obviously if they were against that they'd donate to Republicans.

Can't keep track in world.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
188. We're not suppose to notice
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:54 AM
Jan 2020

that.. our intelligence is insulted most days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,289 posts)
191. Nancy Pelosi!
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:43 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
193. I WISH we were a country where Pelosi and Planned Parenthood were "establishment" (nt)
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:03 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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