Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumNancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age
Link to tweet
Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" and so are all the wonderful Dems in the Democratic Black Caucus.. a!nd Rep Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler... Nancy Pelosi
So are all the Dems who won in the Blue Wave Midterms.. who made it possible to #45IMPEACHED!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(14,608 posts)Interesting.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(14,608 posts)lulzd. You crack me up.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)Maybe hell name another post office!
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Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Dennis Kucinich was the primary sponsor of 5 bills that were enacted:
H.R. 5390 (111th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 13301 Smith Road in Cleveland, Ohio, as the David John Donafee Post Office Building."
H.J.Res. 26 (111th): Proclaiming Casimir Pulaski to be an honorary citizen of the United States posthumously.
H.R. 6150 (110th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 14500 Lorain Avenue in Cleveland, Ohio, as the John P. Gallagher Post Office Building."
H.R. 1056 (106th): Small Business Year 2000 Readiness Act.
H.R. 4083 (105th): To make available to the Ukrainian Museum and Archives the USIA television program Window on America."
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/dennis_kucinich/400227
*After being elected to Congress in 1996, Kucinich began to position himself on the far left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)Kucinich went to fox.. and then he ran for governor of Ohio. I don't know what he's up to now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,602 posts)The establishment: the ruling class or authority group in a society; especially, an entrenched authority dedicated to preserving the status quo.
Established: formed, founded, instituted set up in business
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And please don't quote Jeremy Carl of the Hoover Institute again. Not really a good source for that kind of thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Is Bernie saying that Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, et al are "entrenched authorities dedicated to preserving the status quo"?
That might come as a surprise to them.
Can you point to, exactly, what "status quo" they're dedicated to preserving and exactly what they're doing to preserve it?
Of course, Bernie has had all the opportunities in the world to supplant them as members of the "ruling class," but he's chosen instead to remain on the outside yelling about how they're doing it all wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)and That's REALITY.
The Democratic Party is for Working People and holding the trump assholes Responsible for their corruption.
Link to tweet
your trying to drag on my Democratic Party with your insult words is Not Working, progressoid.
But Please Proceed.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)No kidding! Shine that light on Reality!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)...by starting with an article on NPR from 2016 entitled, "People Keep Talking About 'The Establishment.' What Is It, Anyway?". Link:
https://www.npr.org/2016/02/11/466049701/how-establishment-became-the-buzzword-of-the-2016-election
"It's kind of what we used to call 'The Man,' when you are against The Man," said Nathan Gonzales, editor and publisher of the Rothenberg and Gonzales Political Report. "The establishment has become 'The Man.'"
No one wants to be the square who hates rock 'n' roll. And no one wants to be "establishment" in the 2016 presidential race. Hillary Clinton quickly distanced herself from the label when Bernie Sanders used it against her in the last presidential debate. Republican Jeb Bush only grudgingly accepted the label.
"Fine, I'll take it," he said.
That's too bad for him. As political strategist Mark McKinnon told NPR, this is the most anti-establishment race he has ever seen.
In fact, here's how he defined "establishment": "The measles. A disease. A political disease."
In other words, "the establishment" is apparently slur that Bernie Sanders uses against people that he is running against. I am not particularly worried. Bernie's not going to win anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to Cha (Reply #115)
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treestar
(82,383 posts)to the present. Effectiveness. It's one thing to rant on about the Establishment but another thing to deliver.
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still_one
(95,621 posts)as establishment Democrats, implying they are not real Democrats, and this is according to HIS definition, which amounts to anyone who doesnt agree with him
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Cha
(304,152 posts)We need a Uniter.. and that would be Joe Biden in my View!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,569 posts)...who went out of his way to marginalize a voter at a meeting...
...who could that be?...
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still_one
(95,621 posts)There is a big difference between calling an individual out for spewing right wing LIES, and painting "establishment Democrats" as the bad guys
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)debate the OP so you resort to the usual "What About Biden" and you didn't even get that right.
Biden is righteously calling out a Lying RW TROLL.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)...When the voters aren't around to answer to those accusations...
...or the candidate isn't around to state the case themselves...
Link to tweet
..what was it you were you saying about "venom" earlier?...
..oh yes, i remember...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
billpolonsky
(270 posts)...if you think everything was great before and don't plan to do anything new.
The Establishment is a dominant group or élite that holds power or authority in a nation or in an organisation. It may comprise a closed social group that selects its own members, or entrenched élite structures in specific institutions. One can refer to any relatively small class or group of people that can exercise control as The Establishment. Conversely, in the jargon of sociology, anyone who does not belong to The Establishment may be labelled an "outsider" as opposed to an "insider" .]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)Pelosi.. That was NEW.
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)and all those who fought so hard for our Democracy and Civil Rights for Decades are to honored.. not scorned for someone's agenda.
Mahalo, Sloumeau!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)some people try to kneecap them by smearing them as "the establishment." Usually it's done by people who themselves either can't or don't want to do the real work of actually effecting change, but would rather just yell about what needs to be done and blame "the establishment" for not accomplishing it to their satisfaction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)horror show playing out
Thank you!
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booley
(3,855 posts)When Sanders talks about the "establishment he isn't' referring to Planned Parenthood.
He is not referring to someone's age
He isnt talking about someone's gender.
Seriously, by now we should all understand what Sanders means by the establishment. Sanders literally says what he means in the video posted above. Did no one notice a theme in the list of people he plans on taking on? Especially given that the House plans on repealing a number of the taxes that fund the ACA. That seems way more relevant to a medicare for all speech than when Nancy Pelosi was born.
So this all looks way too close to a straw man.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Explain to e what you think Sanders means by Democratic establishment" and maybe provide something that backs that up?
Because anyone who thought Pelosi's age or gender was relevant to the speech Sanders gave is seriously missing the point.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(19,517 posts)It's a straw man of his making. In the video's context, the term is a reference-less, meaningless buzzword.
If you want to see activists protesting the establishment, just watch the local news.
https://www.mynbc5.com/article/f-35-protests-continue-outside-of-bernie-sanders-office-burlington/28590844
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Insurance companies, Republicans, trump, and yes the Democratic establishment
What might all of these have in common when it comes to Medicare for all, for instance?
Maybe something to do with how money trumps the public good? Not to mention a certain political status quo that many want to maintain (even as it hurts millions) Sorry I had thought the context was obvious. IF you think I got the context wrong, by all means, show me the full speech and we can parse through it together.
And this isn't?
Or this?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/22/dianne-feinstein-sunrise-movement-green-new-deal
How about this one?
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/11/22/joe-biden-tells-immigration-activist-you-should-vote-trump/4273814002/
I can tell you a big difference from the establishment. Sanders will actually LISTEN to protesters. He won't' condescend. He won't brush them off with "You didn't' vote for me" or "vote for trump"
I also admit I am c0nfused. IF you are genuinely against military spending, isn't Warren a bit of a problem for you? Really all the Contenders are more problematic on this issue than Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(19,517 posts)...it's a publicity stunt.
If a politician with a quarter of a century as a Washington insider has a long laundry list of those with whom he is aggrieved, then the problem is likely with the politician.
Democratic Speaker Pelosi has a remarkable list of accomplishments in her years in Washington. She knows how to work hard and get things done. Unfortunately, it is a skill set not every legislator bothers to acquire and cultivate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)When people protest at a Sanders office, they are grassroots
When people do ti at Pelosi's office, it's a publicity stunt.
That seems like a rather self-serving rationalization.
Dont' even care WHY they were protesting at her office.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,251 posts)I don't understand this. What protests? Sanders is the one who always calls things grassroots.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(19,517 posts)that HE imposed on them despite its negative impact on the quality of THEIR proximate environment and everyday lives exemplifies grassroots activism at its best: the people taking on the political establishment.
Not me. Us, indeed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/10/bernie-sanders-faces-backlash-over-war-machine-he-brought-to-vermont.html
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Dubious organizations grandstanding in a hall near Speaker Pelosi's office in the interest of staging self-serving, one-off, instagram-ready photo-ops borders on astroturfing.
It's not a "double standerd". It's a distinction with a difference.
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https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00674697
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)out so well, the difference between constituents, in BS' home state, protesting for over 2 months against the "war machine he brought to Vermont"...
And.. "Dubious organizations grandstanding in a hall near Speaker Pelosi's office in the interest of staging self-serving, one-off, instagram-ready photo-ops borders on astroturfing".
I had no idea this was going on.. "Antiwar candidate Bernie Sanders faces backlash over the $1.2 trillion war machine he brought to Vermont".. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
Nice touch with the "Not me. Us, indeed."
Well Done!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(19,517 posts)Our Ruling
In a campaign video that has been viewed almost 320,000 times on Twitter alone, Sanders made the statement that he has voted against all of Trumps defense budgets and that he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary to do so.
It is true the Vermont senator has publicly opposed all of the presidents military spending packages, but he has not voted against all of them. Sanders is also wrong to say he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary who has voted against the proposals. In fact, Gabbard is the only candidate who can make that claim.
We rate this statement as False.
https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)How can BS be so "wrong"?! Why would he say "Wrong" things?!
Our Ruling
In a campaign video that has been viewed almost 320,000 times on Twitter alone, Sanders made the statement that he has voted against all of Trumps defense budgets and that he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary to do so.
It is true the Vermont senator has publicly opposed all of the presidents military spending packages, but he has not voted against all of them. Sanders is also wrong to say he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary who has voted against the proposals. In fact, Gabbard is the only candidate who can make that claim.
We rate this statement as False.
https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud
Wow.. what if there were no one checking up on these statements?!
Mahalo, lapucelle
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,816 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)big something or other.
They are clearly trying to tear him down because REASONS.
Don't you KNOW that??????
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)BURLINGTON, Vt.
Activists are expected to gather outside Sen. Bernie Sanders' office for the 10th straight week to protest his support of bringing F-35 fighter jets to Burlington International Office.
https://www.mynbc5.com/article/f-35-protests-continue-outside-of-bernie-sanders-office-burlington/28590844
Not a good look for mr green new deal How "establishment" is that?!
Mahalo, lapucelle
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)whomever.
Thank you for that, ehrnst
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sheshe2
(86,816 posts)Read this again:something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.
...
This is about the quality of life and financial security for the citizens of VT.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)one's home state inevitably becomes less of a priority.
Or home district.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,816 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)Like has been said.. if another candidate would be doing this.. BS would be all over it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,816 posts)Toxins, noise pollution and stress on the people in VT.
What about their property values, will they be compensated for their loss? What good will a 15 dollar minimum wage increase do them is they lose 10+ thousand on the value of their homes when they try to sell? Who will buy them?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)about a "green new deal" when this toxic poisonous junk is brought to Burlington VT in spite of Protests..
Excellent point about "property values"! omg.. which I'm sure the home owners have thought of, too. yeah, who wants to buy into that?
Mahalo, she Unbelievable! You cannot make this shite up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bernie's whole philosophy is based on the idea that dysfunction in government is caused by money in politics. He wants to be seen as an outsider (and therefore uncorrupted by money in politics) while obviously being a member of the government. He does this by creating a corrupt Establishment beholden to wealthy donors, corporations, lobbyists, Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc., which has abandoned unions and the middle/working class, is the same as Republicans except for "identity politics":
"What being part of the establishment is .. have a super PAC that raised 15 million from Wall St., that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other interests. To my mind, if we do not get a handle on money in politics and the degree to which big money controls the political process in this country, nobody is going to bring about change that is necessary in this country for the middle and working class families." (There are infinite quotes about the establishment just like this)
Creating an enemy (from campaign email) :
"Some of the wealthiest members of the political establishment are hiding behind closed doors -- with their canapes -- plotting to defeat our political revolution."
Way to insult a person or organization not endorsing you:
"We're taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we're taking on the political establishment. So, I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund and Planned Parenthood. But you know what ... some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KSNY
(316 posts)Thanks to the OP for the video, but the OP's commentary is unnecessarily dismissive of the ideas expressed in the video.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
booley
(3,855 posts)Anyone who watches the video can figure out what the OP is saying has nothing to do with what Sanders was saying.
Its such an obvious straw man.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)and Nancy have been in Congress the same amount of time and happen to be the same age.. "and he wants to take her on?!"
BS blankets everyone with "establishment" who doesn't support him.
We need a Uniter like Joe Biden!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)I can understand maybe you didn't' know you could watch the video but the tweet that is responding to it is right there.
Let me help you by pointing it out
So what doe sit say?
Pelosi is as the same age as Sanders
Pelosi is one of "Only 35 women in Congress"
The OPs author then brings up Planned PArenthood, and race and impeachment.
What does any of that have to do with the disconnect between the popularity for Medicare ofor All versus why it has so much opposition in Congress?
Let's make this simple.. if the OP wasn't about Pelosi's age and gender, why does it lead with that? Why doesnt the tweet nor the OP address what Sanders said in the video it's linked too?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)like you do.
This is about emphasizing that BS and Nancy started out at the same time and Nancy as an Established Dem has accomplished Way More than BS has.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)All I know about you is what you have been saying here.
And what you have been saying here makes no sense in relation to the tweet or the video.
I asked what I thought wa sa very simple question?
if the OP wasn't about Pelosi's age and gender, why does it lead with that? Why doesnt the tweet nor the OP address what Sanders said in the video it's linked too?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)that's what I know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(19,517 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)But I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she just didnt' read what she was posting.
The alternative is less flattering.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,251 posts)How is that possible?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)doesn't understand the OP by the way he's giving his interpretation.
Thanks, betsuni;candle:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)it's not worth it. He isn't a favorite, any positive mention will be met with many angry negatives.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)the divisiveness he's always saying about our Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)OP is about.
I don't expect BS supporters to get it.. BS can try to "take on" Nancy Pelosi and all those he labels "establishment" but we fight back.
Nancy is particularly excellent at that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....despite the expected pushback (of which I really don't care) we have the best party in the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KSNY
(316 posts)This is partly due to the influence of corporate money and that of pharmaceutical and health-insurance companies' lobbyists.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)ahead in the polls. We're here to beat trump not go for BS' mfa.
BS' "corporatist" meme.. has lost all meaning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Maybe but this is the first I am hearing it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/
You're welcome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...of corporate money. That's simply a smokescreen for a flawed plan.
What the "Establishment" is against is that the ONLY acceptable plan is "single payer". It's not just the "Establishment", it's the majority of the people who live in this country. To the "Establishment" it is NOT a case of all or nothing. If the "Establishment" went along with that we wouldn't have the ACA today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OldRed2450
(710 posts)that corporate money and that of pharmaceutical and health-insurance companies is the reason? I mean, that's a pretty slanderous assumption.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to OldRed2450 (Reply #34)
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KSNY
(316 posts)and the decades-long record of Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama) which did not even put single payer on the table when proposing health-care legislation. I'm not attacking anyone, just pointing out that in the context of the video, Sanders mentions the democratic party's reluctance to provide the type of health care Americans deserve.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,251 posts)They are the party against regulating industries like pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
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MarcA
(2,195 posts)a right-wing talking point as some would claim.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)it's a good idea, don't think it will work for this size country, don't think it can get through with the system's tilt towards conservatives or various other reasons you don't agree with; why it is always necessary to make it about the campaign funding? You really believe every representative works directly in the interests of whoever funds them (which would be tough, given that could represent many opposing interests) and that's what you'd do if you were elected?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)and goes straight to "Establishment" "Establishment" "Establisment" with some "corporatist" "corporatist" thrown in there for added insult.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)BS is being divisive again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When someone has no rebuttal, but still wants to think they got the last word, and really told 'em!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,602 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Speaker Pelosi is one of the most powerful, influential and consequential Democrats in decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)Against #45IMPEACHED and corruption in the WH.. but yeah BS is whipping up his fans to take them on.
Link to tweet
Mahalo, ehrnst!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)The Bernie faction of the Party support MFA and the Green New Deal . We can belong in the same party and have differing points of views on major issues .The Dem "Establishment" have hastened yet another huge increase in the Defense Budget as well as the birth of Space Force ...The healthcare industry have won another round of legislative victories
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)is the best way to GO. I agree! Nancy should know.. that's how she helped Win the Midterms in 2018. She is a National Treasure and a Uniter.
Dems all want what's best for our Planet..
We need a Uniter like Joe Biden.. not someone who is Divisive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)You're right, we can belong to the same party and have differing points of view on major issues, but MOST of us long-time Democrats don't call those who disagree with us derogatory names.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)She doesn't accuse them of being a sellout or lacking in values.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,251 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(10,973 posts)how today's forward-looking "revolutionaries" use the word while accusing Democrats of being behind times. It is equally nonsensical whether it comes from 78 year old Bernie or 30 year old AOC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Next thing you know, Bernie will refering to "the establishment" as "a bunch of squares".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(10,973 posts)Aloha, Cha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)but I thought they were way cool. I think I need to put some Earth, Wind, and Fire on...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(10,973 posts)Shining star for you to see
What your life can truly be!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,251 posts)And of course the longest and loudest cheering is for going after establishment Democrats.
Will someone please tell these people that the reason President Obama couldn't be "transformative" and "FDR" was total Republican obstruction and not because Democrats don't fight and are bought off? Are they seeing all that the Democrat-controlled Congress is doing? Well, I suppose the superior smug warm feeling of being an "Us" against those corrupt Democrats makes people feel good.
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Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)Thank you for this excellent post!
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Autumn
(45,942 posts)PP is not a person and it's not a part of the Democratic party. Nice stretch.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(86,816 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,942 posts)an "Establishment Democrat," and he said nothing about age. Nice stretch there too.
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sheshe2
(86,816 posts)However, are you denying that he indeed said PP is part of the Establishment?
PS. I was addressing his words from the past. I was not addressing age.
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Autumn
(45,942 posts)Because it's not there but the OP infers it. Age and Bernie "saying" PP is an "Establishment Democrat" is the big part of the OP I replied to. That's not in the clip the OP posted. For that matter, Bernie didn't even call Pelosi an "Establishment Democrat", the OP did.
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betsuni
(27,251 posts)Bernie: "We're taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we're taking on the political establishment. So, I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund, in Planned Parenthood. But you know what ... some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment."
Neither the OP or Bernie called Planned Parenthood an "Establishment Democrat."
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lapucelle
(19,517 posts)Nice stretch...
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https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=390604
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Autumn
(45,942 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's called irony.
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/
You see, the Black Congressional Caucus is progressive, and under fire from conservatives, as is Planned Parenthood.
You're welcome!
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lapucelle
(19,517 posts)made by a candidate in the last cycle.
There is nothing in the post "lumping in" an organization with individuals.
So no, she absolutely didn't.
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Don't dis Vermont. We cancel out Wyoming's two Rethuglican Senators. No maple syrup for you!
And yes...we have more Senators than Reps and like it that way.
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Hekate
(94,107 posts)Thanks Cha.
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NBachers
(17,977 posts)and classy and in charge while doing it!
Bernie? I spose theres a picture of him shouting and pounding a podium somewhere.
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Since the whole point is to make change so that your way IS the established way of doing things. If you've been there for 35 years and you're still on the outside yelling and shaking your fist at the people who have moved past you and are working to actually get things done, you haven't been very successful, have you?
I am so not impressed with the railing against the "Establishment" by people who still haven't managed, after all these years, to actually figure out how to establish effect real change.
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jalan48
(14,266 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)House Victory in 2018.
Establishment Dems have accomplished More than BS has.
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Gothmog
(153,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)dragging on.
We need a Uniter Not a Divider to be our candidate.
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TexasTowelie
(116,179 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)The optics are really, really bad. Fighting among ourselves ensures a repub win. Not what we want, am I correct?
I guess I don't know the answer. To me, however, it looks bad - sure to turn off some voters.
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vsrazdem
(2,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(32,396 posts)SAnders is openly ATTACKING the D party, just in time to fuck us real good for the election.
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Eliot Rosewater
(32,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,897 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Polybius
(17,246 posts)Just sayin'.
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Cha
(304,152 posts)BS and Nancy starting out back then and what she's accomplished and what he's accomplished and "he's going after her".
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W_HAMILTON
(8,286 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)He is besmirching some of our greatest leaders for a selfish personal gain. Not a good look.
Californians love Speaker Pelosi far far more than the out-of-state non-Democrat. Not very astute politically.
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brutus smith
(685 posts)Sanders. And please stop dissing Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,251 posts)Please stop dissing Democrats with the "both sides" thing. Warren or Sanders would have to deal with Republicans the same way any other Democratic president would. FDR had large majorities in the House and a Depression that made obstruction by Republican impossible if they wanted to be reelected. It is 2019.
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brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)And if you think Repubs in any way want to work with Dems, you need to pay attention to current events.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)We are often stuck with it, as the system favors those who don't want change. Look at how hopeless it seems to get rid of the Electoral College. Health care could pass but only if there are enough Democrats, including Establishment ones. It's not the Democrats that prevent single payer, but the Republicans. This kind of critique pretends Republicans don't exist and don't have disproportionate power due to rural land getting more say than city people.
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Peacetrain
(23,584 posts)It is time to stand up for our leaders that are standing up for us.. thank you Cha!!
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Cha
(304,152 posts)I see your OP is 'causing quite a bit of commotion.. that "establishment" word sure has a lot of people bamboozled..
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)I am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)I think Bernie is barking up the wrong tree.
He benefits from the Democratic Party, and then he turns around and attacks them. Ugh.
I too am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party. Thats why Im saying good luck to him (sarcastically). Trying to bite the hand that feeds him. Smh.
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TexasTowelie
(116,179 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)That's what I would love to know.
If he got the nom., would he just crow about taking out the Democratic Establishment? And not bother to beat Dotard?
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Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aloha Cha!
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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)The goal is to inflame the supporters and not try to get new supporters. Demonize a whole subset to make them hate the eventual nominee to set up an "I told you so" moment.
Bernie's rhetoric is stale and he is unsuccessful in attracting anyone new while he has lost more than half his prior support. So now he is trying to demonize the Democratic party to inflict pain and anger instead of any persuasive argument.
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Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 25, 2019, 03:06 AM - Edit history (1)
this was something I had to respond to. Our BEST protection, as voters against emo-politics is to read read read and to think critically about what we read.
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betsuni
(27,251 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)how ridiculous "taking on the Dem Establishment" is.
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Gothmog
(153,634 posts)I have spent years working inside the party to turn Texas blue and we are making progress. I am proud of being part of the Democratic Party
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Cha
(304,152 posts)consistently work for the helping The People.. Thank You!
BS ignores the accomplishments of the Democratic "Establishment".. I'm beyond tried of him attempting to make it a dirty word.. he's Not going to do it.
Link to tweet
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betsuni
(27,251 posts)We're supposed to believe that Democrats are the biggest roadblock to progress and rig everything and let Republicans push the party to the Right for the last 40 years and are the same as them, yet they impeached a Republican president? Why? I guess for the same reason rich evil oligarchs donate to Democrats even though every candidate wants to repeal Citizens United and raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy -- obviously if they were against that they'd donate to Republicans.
Can't keep track in world.
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Cha
(304,152 posts)that.. our intelligence is insulted most days.
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Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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