Joe Biden lost my vote in Dem primaries 17+ years ago

[Martin Eden]

As did John Kerry and Hillary Clinton along with every other politician who voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

In 2020 I have 3 main priorities:
1. Beat Trump
2. Beat Trump
3. Beat Trump

At this point in time I think Joe Biden might be the best bet. I'm still undecided, but if it looks that way when Illinois holds its primary I will not hesitate to vote for Joe.

In my opinion he and Bernie are too old, both turning 80 before their first term would be over. The presidency (for someone who is not a sociopath who thinks he knows it all) is an extraordinarily demanding job requiring a very high level of knowledge and mental acuity in stressful situations with a level of responsibility beyond what any of us has experienced.

In a sane world Donald Trump would not stand a chance against any of the Democratic candidates -- or against any decent normally functioning adult, for that matter.

But with all the misinformation and a media more interested in ratings than responsible journalism and Russian intervention and voter suppression, I greatly fear the unthinkable can happen. The treasonous fascist fuckwad could get another term.

I've always liked Joe Biden, despite his 2002 vote for the IWR. Though he's far from my ideal candidate, winning in November "trumps" all other considerations. Without the White House our favored policies have zero chance of being implemented.

I don't claim to be an expert on the "horse race" but I've paid attention to issues and politics for a very long time, being old enough to remember JFK. We need a standard bearer who is known and trusted and has a high probability of winning this election. My gut and my brain are telling me it's Joe, but I don't have to make that decision yet.

Just my $.02, for what it's worth.

[Skittles]

1. yup

I'll vote for him if I have to but......this primary has been very disappointing

[Zeus69]

2. Listen to your gut

It’s there for a reason.

[samnsara]

3. well im not going to let trump win again...i will just have to convince one extra person 2 vote joe

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. I like your 2 cents. nt

[evertonfc]

5. agree

It's sad, given our vast bench across America that in 2020 our choices are going to be old, white Washington insiders. Bill Clinton and Obama can't save us now but this primary has been terribly disappointing and I've been working in Democratic politics for 35 years.

[Demsrule86]

6. My priorities are the same as yours...Beat Trump, beat Trump, Beat Trump

[hay rick]

7. Biden may be the best chance to win over an inattentive electorate.

He's not my choice at this point, but you can't ignore the gravity of our dilemma. The differences among our candidates pale in comparison to the wreckage that a re-elected Trump could inflict on our country and the world.

[SCVDem]

8. The Republicans ruled!

You do realize the tremendous propaganda push from all quarters.

In our dreams, everyone is Barbara Lee!

Congressional Representative
In 1998, Congresswoman Barbara Lee was elected to serve California’s 9th congressional district (now the 13th) in a special election. In 2001, Congresswoman Lee received national attention as the only Member of Congress to oppose the authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) in the wake of the horrific events on September 11th. The Congresswoman believed this AUMF would become a blank check for endless war. As of 2013, this authorization had been used more than 30 times to engage in military action without Congressional oversight. Congresswoman Lee is working to repeal this blank check and restore Congress’s constitutional oversight to matters of war and peace. She was also an outspoken opponent of the Iraq War.

(From The Representatives home page)

[cstanleytech]

9. For me age is immaterial as what matters is if someone can handle the job and do so in a manner that

does not harm the image of the United States which is why Trump was never fit to be President.
That is why I will with every fiber of my being support and vote for whatever Democrat wins as they all could imo do the job and do it far better than the piece of shit staining the inside of the oval office and leaving a ring all over like its a toilet bowl.

[Martin Eden]

11. We are mortal, and we decline with age

Regardless of age, Trump was mentally and morally unfit to be president before he was elected and he has proved it every day in office.

Joe Biden would restore the kind of integrity and American leadership that Putin's puppet has been tearing down.

[cstanleytech]

17. Actually any of the candidates could restore it.

[Martin Eden]

18. I don't disagree with that at all

I will also say any of our candidates would better restore integrity in America than any Republican. They are all tainted by Trump, the most vile creature ever to tarnish the White House.

[Blue_true]

10. JFK was a staunch cold warrior who got us into Vietnam (Johnson escalated our involvement). nt

[AdamGG]

13. Ike had 1,000 US troops in Vietnam, JFK 15,000, LBJ 550,000

There's no way to know what JFK would have done if he lived, but it's possible he may not have chosen to escalate like Johnson did. He did balk when the Joint Chiefs pushed him to invade Cuba during the missile crisis, which in itself was maybe the most consequential great decision that any President has ever made.

[rickyhall]

14. JFK was about get us out that fucking war when THEY killed him.

RFK was gonna get us out when THEY killed him.

LBJ made a deal with devil to keep his presidency.

And BIG DICK Nixon fucked LBJ to keep us in.

Weird how things change but stay the same.

[Blue_true]

19. And you know those things, HOW?????? nt

[rickyhall]

20. It's simply what I believe based on what I've read and observed over the last half century

JFK: Newspaper pics of Oswald NOT in SBD at time of assassination.
Read story about JFK wanted to announce pullout just after Dallas
RFK: Too many bullets not from SS gun
Read story about RFK wanted to announce pullout after nomination
LBJ: Going totally different direction from JFK on 'Nam
NIXON bribed NV to kill peace talks in Hanoi

Seems certain people were determined to keep running a losing war.

Believe it or not, I don't really care, its what I believe

[Blue_true]

22. So it comes down to you believe. Merci. nt

[rickyhall]

24. Some people believe Jesus will return. Good for them. I don't.

My beliefs are reality based. Based on evidence. Sources are for others to find.

Besides, nobody has to believe me.

[OldRed2450]

12. It's not just one thing for me.

I want someone with the temperament it takes to be president. I want someone who can build, repair, and staff our institutions the way they were before Trump. I want someone our allies will trust to get us back on track with the world. I realize that our global place in the world is not important so some but it is to me.

[Martin Eden]

15. Our global place in thus world is very important

Not just to us but to Putin as well, which is why he wanted Trump in the White House.

[aikoaiko]

16. Biden blew my mind when he supported credit card companies over working families.

And then I learned of his support for civil forfeiture laws and there was a pattern.

But still, I will vote for him in the GE if he is the Democratic nominee.

[peggysue2]

21. Same here, Martin

I never voted for Joe Biden in the earlier primaries. He wasn't my candidate then. But I am convinced that Biden was made for this specific political moment, an experienced, seasoned politician with a wide reach and appeal stretching even across party lines. We'll need every vote we can get to extricate Trump and his acolytes from the White House. We can argue about policy points once we've won. But 2020? This will ultimately be a referendum on Donald Trump and the last 4 years of immoral, incompetent and reckless leadership.

WINNING IS EVERYTHING in 2020. Joe Biden can win this thing, start the necessary restoration of the Republic and put us back on track, a liberal track at that.

That's why I'm supporting Biden. Plus I like the drum thing.

[Martin Eden]

23. +1

Win first. Restore American integrity. Govern with good policies that make progress.