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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:36 PM Dec 2019

NYT: Biden says he would comply with a subpoena, reversing course.

Good. His original statement was a mistake. Democrats, unlike Republicans, are for the rule of law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/us/politics/biden-subpoena-democrats.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

FAIRFIELD, Iowa — Joseph R. Biden Jr. backtracked on Saturday from his stated position that he would not comply with a subpoena to testify in President Trump’s impeachment trial in the Senate. Instead, he declared that he would abide by “any subpoena that was sent to me” even as he insisted there was no justification for calling him as a witness.

A day after reaffirming that he would not comply with a subpoena, Mr. Biden tried twice on Saturday to clarify his remarks, asserting that there would be no “legal basis” for such a subpoena but left it unclear, for much of the day, if he would ultimately comply with one. Then, questioned by a voter about the issue of compliance with subpoenas, Mr. Biden answered unequivocally.

“I would obey any subpoena that was sent to me,” he said at a town hall-style event in Fairfield.

Mr. Biden’s 180-degree turn on whether he would comply with a subpoena was one of the starkest and swiftest reversals by a candidate in the Democratic primary campaign, and came after he faced questions and criticism about whether his initial stand would run counter to the rule of law.

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NYT: Biden says he would comply with a subpoena, reversing course. (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2019 OP
Jesus. Finally. mahina Dec 2019 #1
Joe evertonfc Dec 2019 #2
but there is an added advantage to following the law stopdiggin Dec 2019 #11
I am kind of into our elected officials following the law, also. A quirk of mine. Lexee Dec 2019 #22
You are a "supporter" of what or whom? LakeArenal Dec 2019 #13
Yep, he's a mensch. gulliver Dec 2019 #3
No doubt, and he's in Fairfield Iowa, home of elleng Dec 2019 #6
MIU grad. Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2019 #31
HI! elleng Dec 2019 #32
Good school. Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2019 #33
I know what you mean, but the few times I've tried to post what I thought pnwmom Dec 2019 #17
I doubt he would ever have refused to comply with a subpoena, Hortensis Dec 2019 #4
Then why did he say that??? Towlie Dec 2019 #8
That is the question. NT enough Dec 2019 #12
He could do a Perry Mason: Turbineguy Dec 2019 #9
Unfortunately, that's what he first said. Fortunately, he's issued a clear correction now. n/t pnwmom Dec 2019 #24
Too bad he didn't say that in the first place. Now he's done irreversable damage to his image. Towlie Dec 2019 #5
More wishful thinking...I doubt Biden will be called anyway...but those who have losing candidates Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #10
Bingo Champion Jack Dec 2019 #14
Irreversible? This will be forgotten about in... what were we talking about again? John Fante Dec 2019 #16
Yes, it will be. I agree. Lexee Dec 2019 #23
Please get a grip already.. Joe Biden has done no Cha Dec 2019 #19
Seems as though this happens alot. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2019 #7
yeah it does... Champion Jack Dec 2019 #15
There isn't a single valid reason to call Biden as a witness. John Fante Dec 2019 #18
Yeah, Joe was responding weirdly at first. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #20
He initially answered that he didn't know what he could add to Blue_true Dec 2019 #28
Correct move, correct statement. Supporters cheering Biden on not complying with subpoena Lexee Dec 2019 #21
Disqualifying. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #25
Not at all. nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #29
Some Biden supporters sure looked foolish yesterday tritsofme Dec 2019 #26
I cringed when I read him say that he might not respond to a summons from the Senate trial. Blue_true Dec 2019 #30
I too felt that his statement that he would not answer a summons was wrong-footed. Blue_true Dec 2019 #27
Mitch McConnell is celebrating. Aaron Pereira Dec 2019 #34
His first position was wrong. He is not above the law, and he couldn't just ignore pnwmom Dec 2019 #35
 

mahina

(17,649 posts)
1. Jesus. Finally.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:38 PM
Dec 2019

Oops.

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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. Joe
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:40 PM
Dec 2019

reverses course or apologizes daily. As a supporter im.fucking sick of it. There is no added advantage to playing nice in 2020. Man, I miss Beto.

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stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
11. but there is an added advantage to following the law
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:15 PM
Dec 2019

for me at least. (and I suspect a lot of others)

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Lexee

(377 posts)
22. I am kind of into our elected officials following the law, also. A quirk of mine.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 06:05 PM
Dec 2019
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LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
13. You are a "supporter" of what or whom?
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:18 PM
Dec 2019
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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
3. Yep, he's a mensch.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:45 PM
Dec 2019

I believe this belongs in GD (also). It pertains to impeachment and the general election, not the primary. Joe was Vice President under Obama, and Trump rightly fears him. That makes this a GE issue and a GD issue.

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elleng

(130,895 posts)
6. No doubt, and he's in Fairfield Iowa, home of
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:52 PM
Dec 2019

Maharishi University of Management (formerly Maharishi International University) since 1974 and has been referred to as "the world's largest training center" for practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation technique.[9] The city includes the $6 million Fairfield Arts & Convention Center (FACC), built in 2007. In 2010, it was named one of six Iowa Great Places. It was named by Smithsonian magazine as one of "The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013".[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield,_Iowa

(My brother and family live there.)

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elleng

(130,895 posts)
32. HI!
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 09:09 PM
Dec 2019


My brother's on the legal staff.
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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
17. I know what you mean, but the few times I've tried to post what I thought
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:25 PM
Dec 2019

was an unrelated-to-primaries article, I've been told to move it.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. I doubt he would ever have refused to comply with a subpoena,
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:49 PM
Dec 2019

even one issued by Republicans conducting a corrupt tribunal. That's contrary to who he is. It'd have to have been a blatant frame-up a sensible person just couldn't walk into.

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Towlie

(5,324 posts)
8. Then why did he say that???
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:54 PM
Dec 2019
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enough

(13,259 posts)
12. That is the question. NT
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:15 PM
Dec 2019
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Undecided
 

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
9. He could do a Perry Mason:
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:55 PM
Dec 2019

"The question is incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial!"

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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
24. Unfortunately, that's what he first said. Fortunately, he's issued a clear correction now. n/t
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 07:17 PM
Dec 2019
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Towlie

(5,324 posts)
5. Too bad he didn't say that in the first place. Now he's done irreversable damage to his image.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:50 PM
Dec 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
10. More wishful thinking...I doubt Biden will be called anyway...but those who have losing candidates
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:13 PM
Dec 2019

are so hopeful...soon to have their hopes dashed.

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Champion Jack

(5,378 posts)
14. Bingo
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:22 PM
Dec 2019

It was a real dumb move

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John Fante

(3,479 posts)
16. Irreversible? This will be forgotten about in... what were we talking about again?
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:24 PM
Dec 2019
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Lexee

(377 posts)
23. Yes, it will be. I agree.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 06:07 PM
Dec 2019
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Cha

(297,190 posts)
19. Please get a grip already.. Joe Biden has done no
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:29 PM
Dec 2019

such thing. That's not even a good try.

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Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
7. Seems as though this happens alot.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:53 PM
Dec 2019
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Champion Jack

(5,378 posts)
15. yeah it does...
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:22 PM
Dec 2019

...But, it's endearing...right?

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John Fante

(3,479 posts)
18. There isn't a single valid reason to call Biden as a witness.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:26 PM
Dec 2019

He didn't need to say anything more than that.

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aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
20. Yeah, Joe was responding weirdly at first.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:31 PM
Dec 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. He initially answered that he didn't know what he could add to
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 07:54 PM
Dec 2019

a trial of Donald Trump. But then he started riffing and lost the potency of his initial statement.

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Lexee

(377 posts)
21. Correct move, correct statement. Supporters cheering Biden on not complying with subpoena
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 06:02 PM
Dec 2019

were wrong.

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tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
26. Some Biden supporters sure looked foolish yesterday
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 07:25 PM
Dec 2019

Groupthink is not just a thing on the right.

I’ve never understood why it is so hard for some folks to admit their candidate made a mistake, Joe certainly can, and he corrected his position accordingly. Non-controversy over.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. I cringed when I read him say that he might not respond to a summons from the Senate trial.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 08:01 PM
Dec 2019

He initially said that he didn't know what he could add to the matter being considered, Trump's removal from office. He should have stayed with his initial statement.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. I too felt that his statement that he would not answer a summons was wrong-footed.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 07:38 PM
Dec 2019

He should have said that if McConnell and republicans do an honest job of calling witnesses, he would have no issue sharing what he knows.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
34. Mitch McConnell is celebrating.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 01:32 AM
Dec 2019

In all likelihood Pelosi will not forward the articles of impeachment to the Senate now in order to protect Biden.

In the event the articles do move forward, Biden is going to be forced into countless hours of testimony during a critical point of the primary campaign.

I wish he'd stuck to his original position.


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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
35. His first position was wrong. He is not above the law, and he couldn't just ignore
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 01:35 AM
Dec 2019

a lawful subpoena.

With regard to giving testimony, he won't be any more handicapped than the Senate Democrats who are also running for President, and will have to leave the campaign trail for the length of an impeachment trial.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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