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myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:07 AM Jan 2020

Killing Soleimani...

...might have been a temporary military tactic and will distract from impeachment, but what's our long term strategy in the Middle East?...more endless wars?...war with Iran?...more unauthorized wars by Congress?

Bernie is unambiguous,

Daily Beast, 1-3-2020

" “I’m going to do everything I can to prevent a war with Iran, because if you think the war in Iraq was a disaster, my guess is that war in Iran would be even worse... So let’s work together and prevent that war, and if people want to criticize me for that, go for it, that’s OK, I don’t apologize to anybody.” "


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-war-in-iran-would-be-bigger-disaster-than-iraq


...so where do we stand...I read Joe's statement on the killing of Soleimani and outside of the warning I didn't see much call to resist...

...in 2002, Joe voted for the war in Iraq, Bernie voted against the war in Iraq...

...how these two candidates respond to trump's call to war will make a huge difference...

...




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Killing Soleimani... (Original Post) myohmy2 Jan 2020 OP
Hoping Joe will not back it. lark Jan 2020 #1
I am Waiting to Hear Biden's Statement McKim Jan 2020 #9
Good morning, me too. lark Jan 2020 #10
Biden already released a statement last night... Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #11
Biden's Statement at The Guardian McKim Jan 2020 #18
What he SHOULD apologize for is not urging his followers to vote for Hillary Clinton.... George II Jan 2020 #2
Sanders Worked to Support Hillary McKim Jan 2020 #8
Did Sanders help Hillary gain the support of his backers in the general? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #16
He has Stein supporters and voters in his campaign. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #17
Half-heartedly and grudgingly.. George II Jan 2020 #23
Well, on July 31, 2016, NBC news reported that Bernie PatrickforO Jan 2020 #19
And then he went into hiding for five weeks. George II Jan 2020 #21
Sounds like Aesop's fables ... NYMinute Jan 2020 #3
Gotta wash socks. BBL rzemanfl Jan 2020 #4
Sanders already failed to prevent it, three years ago LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #5
Exactly right. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #15
A war with Iran will be 4 times as worse than the Iraq War ritapria Jan 2020 #6
Haha. That is really funny. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #14
Where do you get your numbers? BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #20
Maybe he should head back to Washington and do the job of a Senator. George II Jan 2020 #22
How will Bernie be "resisting"... brooklynite Jan 2020 #7
His words must be really powerful I suppose. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #13
We would not have a war if Hillary had won...maybe some should have been of more assistance. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #12
 

lark

(23,097 posts)
1. Hoping Joe will not back it.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jan 2020

He's gotten more anti-war as he ages and hope he sees that this is just a wag the dog moment where someone got killed just to distract from impeachment. I'd bet it was someone PUtin wanted gone or he never would have gone against who he sees as "The Master".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
9. I am Waiting to Hear Biden's Statement
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:36 AM
Jan 2020

I am waiting to hear Biden’s statement. He did vote for the War on Iraq and he even promoted it at the time. His son fought in the war. If he repudiates war I would be overjoyed to vote for him.
I hope he is flexible and changes his mind. This could be his winning ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lark

(23,097 posts)
10. Good morning, me too.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jan 2020

I hope he really thinks seriously about who started this and why before he makes any statement and doesn't just reflexively "rally round the flag". I don't think he will, and am looking forward to hear his, Senator Warren's & Mayor Pete's statements.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
11. Biden already released a statement last night...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jan 2020

Of course, it was far less self-serving than Sanders', so, I can see why it went under the radar:


If I were to vote in a presidential
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McKim

(2,412 posts)
18. Biden's Statement at The Guardian
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jan 2020

Good for Joe Biden, he said that this killing was like tossing a stick of dynamite into the situation.
He is quoted in today’s Guardian. Thank you, Joe, from the bottom of my heart. As one whose brother in law died in Vietnam for a lie, I am grateful to you, Joe!

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George II

(67,782 posts)
2. What he SHOULD apologize for is not urging his followers to vote for Hillary Clinton....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:13 AM
Jan 2020

....back in 2016. That contributed in part to the position we're in today.

Please stop dwelling on what happened in 2002, this is 2020.

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McKim

(2,412 posts)
8. Sanders Worked to Support Hillary
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jan 2020

Excuse me but I distinctly remember that Sanders worked to support his supporters to vote for Hillary. Hillary embraced some of his platform ideas from his campaign and they went forward together.

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Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
16. Did Sanders help Hillary gain the support of his backers in the general?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jan 2020

Trump is a monster. The only chance to stop him was three years ago.

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Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
17. He has Stein supporters and voters in his campaign.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. Half-heartedly and grudgingly..
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
19. Well, on July 31, 2016, NBC news reported that Bernie
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:28 AM
Jan 2020

did in fact urge his supporters to get behind Clinton. Here's the link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-urges-reluctant-supporters-back-hillary-clinton-n620541

As early as July 26, 2016, he was pleading with followers to get behind Clinton: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/dnc-2016-bernie-sanders-pleads-with-his-supporters-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-a7155966.html

I'm not trying to refight that primary, but he did urge his followers to support Clinton. I certainly did. And Clinton would have won, had we not had the antiquated electoral college system.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
21. And then he went into hiding for five weeks.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
3. Sounds like Aesop's fables ...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:14 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
4. Gotta wash socks. BBL
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
5. Sanders already failed to prevent it, three years ago
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
6. A war with Iran will be 4 times as worse than the Iraq War
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

Now is not the time for "bipartisan statesmenship" ….That is the good "political look" .Now is the time for Leadership.....We must not let this situation spiral into a disastrous War ….Berne is not going to consult the polls- or the media chattering class- before taking a stand ...

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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
14. Haha. That is really funny.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jan 2020
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BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
20. Where do you get your numbers?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jan 2020

You post a lot of statistics and frankly a great deal of them seem to be pulled from thin air. Try supporting your points with actual data.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Maybe he should head back to Washington and do the job of a Senator.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
7. How will Bernie be "resisting"...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jan 2020

...besides YouTube videos of course.

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Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
13. His words must be really powerful I suppose.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
12. We would not have a war if Hillary had won...maybe some should have been of more assistance.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jan 2020

Biden handles this as a statesman. I want someone like him sitting in the white house.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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