What if Bernie wins?

[kentuck]

That might be a reality we should consider?

Of course, they will call him a "Socialist". That is nothing new. He has called himself a "socialist" for many years, albeit a "Democratic Socialist" and not the kind defined by Trump and the right-wingers.

But, it doesn't really matter in our system of government at this time. Laws are created by Congress. Are they "socialist"? That is the reality that we must deal with if Bernie is the nominee.

It is very possible that Bernie will defeat the other candidates now running, including Elizabeth and Joe, and will be the Democratic nominee for President.

Do not discount this possibility and do not say that you will not vote for Bernie if your candidate does not win.

[getagrip_already]

1. then america loses....

Because if he is the nominee trump will win and be with us until the big cheese calls him down,

He can win the primary. There is a path. But he will never beat trump. There aren't enough of us We need help. That help will stay away.

[comradebillyboy]

3. Yeah sure, remember Bernie lost big to Hillary.

[getagrip_already]

7. thanks in no small part to....

You know the rest.

Not going to replay the last election. But if you lose to someone who loses, it doesn't mean you would have won. You might just have been blown out on an enormous scale.

[left-of-center2012]

4. Agreed

I don't see Bernie winning over Trump voters.

[getagrip_already]

8. nobody will win over the core.....

it's the squishy middle that's up for grabs. Scare them, and you won't get them. Simple equation.

[booley]

44. No Democrat is going to win over trump voters

Any who would have left Trump already did so.

What Sanders can do is draw in the voters who stayed home last time.

[delisen]

61. Will Sanders get Russian support this time?

Unless the reality of Russia is factored in, speculation is not very meaningful.

[booley]

74. sorry did you have anything to your argument

I mean besides innuendo?

You are correct in one way.

Speculation is not meaningful.

And so we are clear, my post was not based on speculation...

“We are taking the most ambitious path to the nomination,” Sanders’ Iowa state director, Misty Rebik, wrote in a 100-days-to-go memo to supporters at the end of October, which outlined the campaign’s plan to expand the electorate.

The campaign aims “to energize and mobilize constituencies that are often the most difficult to turn out,” she wrote, “including first-time voters, students and young voters, working class people with multiple jobs and low-income voters who feel ignored by our political process.”

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-18/bernie-sanders-committed-supporters-iowa-strategy

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-dominates-college-students-new-poll-democratic-voters-campuses-1480628

[booley]

43. History says its the centrist candidate who who is at risk

And I don't' need to go back to 2016.

Gore ran as a centrist and lost
Kerry ran a Centrist. And lost

Obama did run in 2008 as more progressive than both his primary and general election opponents.
And he won.

I mean we talk about how not more progressives won in 2018 (even though they had only just begun and often didn't' have the backing by the larger party). But Centrists have been losing more then gaining for at least 10 years now if not more with none of the handicaps progressives have had.

IF we nominate a centrist again, our odds of winning go down, not up.

And another fact we dismiss too quickly.. a lot of people outside the Democratic party, who do nto have a high opinion of the Democratic party... like Bernie Sanders.

Case in point that CNN interview with Kentuckians. They feel abandoned by the Democratic party. But they love Sanders.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/12/24/614481/US-Poll-Sanders-Biden?fbclid=IwAR1bqva1hpBIxLqkvUU4ONAGLLplVY2zYKQ5MPVKx3WgDkB__qvDtv1cDMY

[question everything]

60. Sanders 2020 McGovern 1972

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. You mean America wins. Biden is the one who would lose to tRump... Bernie would demolish him...

as Bernie would not only excite the base, but motivate tens of millions of Americans who typically don't vote to flock to the polls.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[TheFarseer]

86. Except that's not what polls say

Many polls say Biden has the best odds to defeat Trump, but to suggest Bernie has no chance is preposterous.

[rampartc]

5. there is a very good chance that sen sanders will win a plurality

of "cpmmon" delegates. but if not enough to take a 1st round nomination the superdelegates kick in and sanders loses.

the question, as it has been since 1968, is "how do we motivate the "democratic wing" of the democratic party" to support the nominee?"

i know that sanders will not be picked for vp, and that the temptation will be to make him ambassador to Norway, but we need a young progressive vice president (if only AOC were a little older) and a decent cabinet post (treasury maybe) for ms warren.

[Demsrule86]

26. No it hasn't ...the question has been why doesn't the 'democratic' wing of the party appeal to more

voters? By the way there is no Democratic wing of the party...that is and has always been insulting...Take AOC...she is in New York...she could not win anywhere in Ohio...so why hasn't their message from what ever wing they are from taken hold?

[LongtimeAZDem]

29. Indeed; AOC ran in a place where a fire hydrant would win if it had a "D" next to it on the ballot

[Demsrule86]

53. That is right and as long as those who seem to think they have their own wing of the party can only

win in such places, they will not be able to win statewide or nationally and will not have the influence they crave...which must be earned by winning elections.

[booley]

45. I am in the Democratic wing of the Democratic party

AOC didn't' say that.

Paul Wellstone did.

Paul Wellstone knew something about winning against Republicans in a Midwestern State.

That line was never an insult.
It was a warning against losing our values.

AOC's accomplishment isn't' that she beat a Republican in a deep-blue district. Its that she beat an incumbent Democrat in that deep blue district.

[Demsrule86]

50. I know who said it...and it is an insult as if some Democrats or more pure Democrats or it has been

used that way...when was the last time by the way Minnesota went red? We had a close call in 16 but it held...so the states we need are MI, WI and PA...and the 'Democratic' wing of the party won't win those states for us...I am a liberal period...and we are all Democrats so let me say again. There is no Democratic wing of the party...we are all Democrats you all want to call yourselves sociaists or far left have at it...but we are all Democrats and there is no Democratic wing of the Democratic Party and it is insulting to say that there is...as for beating an incumbent in a blue district so what...she couldn't win anywhere in Ohio and until that changes those who share her ideology completely will not win statewide or national elections. I doubt she could win the Senate in New York or the Governor's office either. And this is what must change and as long as progressives and liberals don't compete in red or purple states or even states like New York and Massachusetts who elect moderates and GOP types statewide... it won't...Rather than playing musical chairs with Democratic seats, maybe we could turn some red seats blue with a progressive candidates if we lay the groundwork by winning hearts and minds which isn't happening...I hear all about the Democrats AOC wants to primary, but nothing about beating Republicans.

[booley]

75. IF you know who said it maybe dont so dismissive

so the states we need are MI, WI and PA...and the 'Democratic' wing of the party won't win those states for us...

One of the states you mention is Michigan.
And I am talking about Paul Wellstone, an arch progressive, not really all that different from Sanders in his positions. From Michigan.

Think about that for a second, please.

And again let me restate my point, the Democratic wing of the Democratic party " was a warning, specifically about the Democratic party losing its way to big money and corporate interests, and looking after the top rather than the bottom.

Wellstone’s words carried weight because he had won.

In 1990, at a time when the Democratic Leadership Council was using every corporate dollar it could find to drag the Democratic Party to the pro-business right, Wellstone came on the national political radar as an unabashed progressive populist who declared himself in solidarity with the causes of union workers, family farmers, peace activists, abortion rights campaigners and racial and ethnic minorities. He took a cue from filmmaker Michael Moore’s anticorporate masterpiece, Roger & Me, and cut a television commercial that had him chasing after his Republican opponent, millionaire Senator Rudy Boschwitz, seeking a debate. That November, Wellstone was the only Democratic challenger to upset a Republican incumbent. It was a huge win for what Wellstone called “the democratic wing of the Democratic Party.” And if party insiders tended to dismiss the lesson of Wellstone’s victory, grassroots Democrats did not.

https://www.thenation.com/article/paul-wellstone/

You being personally offended if not as relevant as you appear to think it is.

[Demsrule86]

79. Again, there is no such thing as the Democratic wing of the party...and anyone can be wrong...the

comment was divisive and ill advised. As for 1990...in 92 when no prominent Democrat wanted to run...Bill Clinton saved us from four more years of GOP rule and got two court picks...and it took help from Perot too. Clinton never had majority not in 92 or in 96. We would not have won in the 90's with a candidate of the left as our presidential nominee...in fact we had been trounced multiple times in the 70's and 80's. Wellstone's words carry no weight with me...I prefer to look to the future. We have capitalism in this country and it needs regulation not destruction.

We are in a similar situation as in the 90's...a country dragged to the right by a Trump win...and only a perceived moderate as our nominee can beat Trump and save this country and the progressive movement. You speak of a time 20 years ago...different world. I also ask this...what were Wellstone's accomplishments? I mean no disrespect he was on our side but...I fail to understand why his words should mean more than say Biden's words. Biden has many accomplishments.

'Yet 10 years after he took his Senate seat, Wellstone has disappeared from the national consciousness. He never emerged as the left’s national spokesman for reforms in health care, campaign finance, or anything else. Apart from his abortive 1998 exploration of a 2000 presidential run—highlighted by a little-noted reenactment of Bobby Kennedy’s 1967 “poverty tour”—he has kept a generally low public profile.'

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2001/01/seduction-paul-wellstone/

[MrsCoffee]

69. She beat an incumbent who phoned it in.

He didn't even show up for debate right before the election.

[booley]

77. So in other words if you dont' take votes for granted....

IF you don't' act as you are owed anyone's votes if you go out and talk to people about why your policies will be good for them...

People will vote for you.

Because if they really had a problem with her positions, they had a funny way of showing it.

[MrsCoffee]

78. Depends on where they are running obviously.

She ran in a safe blue district. People don't have problems with the Democratic platform in that district.

[Demsrule86]

80. Yes and OAC should consider this herself...she shouldn't take her voters for granted while persueing

national politics...she cold lose a primary too.

[Demsrule86]

38. I fear my post was a bit strong...I do get your point...but until we win over more voters, we can't

nominate someone of the left for national office or for statewide positions like governor except in very blue states...and by the way not even sure that includes New York. We need to make a dent in the anti- left bias in states like Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, North Carolina...until that time we need to tailor our candidates to the state or district we are running in.

[Gothmog]

46. I will support the nominee of the party

I seriously doubt that sanders will be the nominee of the party. If there is a contested convention, then after first vote, the super delegates will not be supporting sanders and the delegates for other candidates are not likely to support sanders.

Remember that most delegates are actual democrats who work inside the party and care about downballot candidates. sanders would kill down ballot candidates. There is so much oppo on sanders that it is not even funny. Why would a party official want to see all of their down ballot candidates lose?

[George II]

6. No worries, he won't come even close to winning. In fact, he could be close to being....

....mathematically eliminated after Super Tuesday.

[UniteFightBack]

20. This needs to happen since we know he won't go willingly. nt

[JoeOtterbein]

9. This time next year, we will be preparing to inaugurate President...

...Bernie Sanders!

[dware]

25. This time next year, we will be preparing to inaugurate President...

...Bernie Sanders!

I'm laughing so hard I spit my coffee all over my screen.

If BS is the nominee, not a chance in hell, but if he is, then be prepared for another 4 years of the Mango Menace.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. WITHOUT A DOUBT JOE!! GOTTA LOVE THE SOUND OF PRESIDENT SANDERS!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[MineralMan]

10. Ask again after Super Tuesday, OK?

It is not "very possible that Bernie will defeat the other candidates." It is faintly possible. But, we'll know more on March 4. Bring this up again then, OK?

[getagrip_already]

83. yeah, possible but not bloody likely....

His only real path is for pete, liz, andrew, and amy to drop out, and all of their supporters switch to bernie.

That isn't likely. They will all be there through super tuesday. Bernie isn't picking up support. Joe isn't losing support.

After super tuesday, a lot will be locked in. NH and Iowa are pretty irrelevant, except for bragging rights and media plays of shifts in momentum.

Iowa for example has ~54 convention votes out of ~4300. And those 54 are proportionally divided; it's not winner take all.

So I feel that camp's frustration. But remember the real enemy is trump and the gop. Don't lose sight of that. Let the voters decide the nominee, then push like hell.

[DownriverDem]

11. Then

say hello to trump's second term.

[Gothmog]

47. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states

sanders would also kill down ballot candidates in key states. this is why at risk candidates in swing districts are supporting Joe

Link to tweet

[Peacetrain]

12. Honestly.. Sanders had a whack at it last time.. the same message is

all right with his base, but he is not getting the other people he needs to actually win.. And he has not had a good couple of weeks with his campaign going off the ledge using altered videos etc. Its not been a good look for him. Anything is possible, but probable.. I doubt it highly. He has a hard time reaching out past his base.

[TidalWave46]

13. Then all of my time and resources will go to local races.

I will not oppose his Presidential run.

We can win this if Sanders gets the nod. Come on people, they got Donald Trump elected. We just have to focus one local races and the GOTV efforts in those local races. Reverse coattails is the only way we can win under such conditions. Vote blue no matter who so the people we drive out for those local races will also vote D for the top ticket.

It can and must be done.

Thankfully, we will never be in that situation. Sanders will continue to be Jr. to the Great Senior Senator from Vermont.

[brooklynite]

14. Point to anyone who has said they wouldn't vote for Sanders as the nominee...

[brooklynite]

15. If Sanders is nominated, I will do what I can to get him elected...with certainty that he won't win.

[Demsrule86]

23. Me too...I will vote blue no matter who.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

16. If Bernie wins, I'll support him

I may have my issues with some of his policy specifics, but overall he'd be a major improvement over Trump.

He will find installing the sweeping changes he proposes difficult, but perhaps he can pull it off.

Realistically, either Biden or Bernie will be a one-term Presidency.

[LongtimeAZDem]

17. If Bernie wins the nomination, I'll vote for him, but we'll almost certainly lose the election

[ancianita]

49. When a message and candidate's time has come, the public will vote. Sanders can fight circles

around Trump. Independents and non-voters love that stuff.

This Brooklyn dude can kick ass with comebacks, humor and irony in ways this shit-for-brains impeached imposter can't even fathom.

My greatest priority is to win the Senate, and we need to keep as many of our candidate senators as possible. Unless we win at least half our battlegrounds. Just sayin'.

[LongtimeAZDem]

63. Forget the Senate; if Sanders is the nominee, we may lose the House

[ancianita]

64. How do you figure?

[LongtimeAZDem]

68. Bernie is the absolute caricature of the left in the minds of independents and the right

High taxes, "free" stuff, proudly calls himself a socialist. He's down-ticket poison.

[treestar]

18. He'd lose like McGovern did

"socialism" still scares most of the voters.

If he miraculously won the Presidency - he'd never get anything through Congress. If we had both houses by a supermajority, maybe. So we'd have to pay attention to the Senate and House races a lot more than we usually do and not count on "coattails."

And everything would have to be lined up to pass as quickly as possible, as the Rs would get the House or Senate in 2022. So Bernie would have to compromise on something, and his supporters would turn on him.

[progressoid]

71. You can say the same thing about Hillary.

If she had won, she'd never have gotten anything through Congress. Both houses would have been controlled by the Repugs. In addition to blocking all legislation, they would have put all their effort into investigating her email and Benghazi 24/7.

But she would have been able to do a lot through executive orders etc. Same goes for a potential Pres Sanders. The president still wields a fair amount of power even without the support of congress.

[LongtimeAZDem]

72. I did say that at the time. 2016 was a holding action, to safeguard the Supreme Court. It failed,

because she was relentlessly attacked by both the right and the left.

[treestar]

73. We don't like it when Dotard does it

But we would be a lot better off, and Hillary would not have caused the chaos, and having the Presidency does at least mean they can veto egregious legislation. The tax cuts wouldn't have happened and that would have been a thing Bernie could do too. It just seems there is more expectation Bernie will get his proposals through without thinking how hard that could be.

[UniteFightBack]

19. I'll fight like hell to get him elected but boy are the Russiapublicans going to have a lot to work

with. I've floated names past the pukes in my life and when they hear Sanders or Warren they get all ginned up and animated in an ugly way.
Not so much with the others though...hmmmmm.

[Demsrule86]

21. He can't can't win...he doesn't have enough AA support and will start losing in earnest when we hit

diverse states...and God forbid he won (unlikely) because we would lose the general. Biden is the only one winning at the moment in Virginia for God's sake. It would be a wipe out... He has my vote...but what a crappy legacy if he enables four more years of Trump.

[kentuck]

22. With the large number of candidates still in the race...

...including two billionaires, Bernie may have the strongest base of support of anyone in the race. He has a strong and loyal following.

The numbers alone may give him the advantage? By the time the field is winnowed down, it may be too late for anyone to overtake his built-in advantage?

If the results do turn out in Bernie's favor, Democrats will have no choice but to support him, knowing that the "socialist" label will mean very little when the Congress passes the legislation.

It is a possibility, in my opinion.

[LongtimeAZDem]

24. He could, possibly, win the nomination; he cannot possibly win the election

[Rorey]

27. I share that opinion

If he wins the nomination, I'll definitely vote for him. He's very far from my first choice. In the end I'll do what I have to do. I hope everyone does. This is no time for people's hurt feelings to get the best of them.

[LongtimeAZDem]

28. I will too; the fact that the DNC has foisted him on us does not change my commitment

[BannonsLiver]

35. What legislation?

You have to win first.

[kentuck]

42. I'm saying a "socialist" label does not mean a lot when Congress passes legislation.

Sorry for the confusion.

[NYMinute]

89. So far, a majority of Bernie's legislative accomplishments

are in naming post offices.

[lunasun]

30. How was Obama looked at back in January of the primary year with Clinton?

you never know
I am surprised by his move over warren( I should not be surprised actually)and am truly undecided
Biden or Bernie ? ABT VOTE
Anyone But Trump!

[MineralMan]

31. I have not seen a single Biden supporter who hasn't declared their intention

to vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that is. Not one.

Have you?

[NurseJackie]

32. He won't be our party's nominee. He has loyal and loud followers... just not enough of them.

His followers can donate multiple times... but THEY CAN ONLY VOTE ONCE. He's stuck at around 20% overall. In some states, he won't even reach the 15% threshold needed to capture any delegates. This is his "last hurrah" before he rides off into the sunset... and I think the BS campaign (if not the candidate) knows that he's not going to be the nominee. All I'm saying is this: it's obvious to everyone that his loss will be bigger this time than it was the last time. Anything else is just unrealistic "smack-talk" ... just like the underdog wrestlers do, and the underdog football teams do.

[Hortensis]

33. I think Carter's presidency is the best model to look at.

Carter was economically a small-government conservative-leaning Democrat, but he shares a number of striking personality and political similarities with Sanders. His colleagues also thought he'd make a bad president and all also refused to support his candidacy. He also posed to get elected as a "reform" candidate bad-mouthing other Democrats but actually also seemed to believe his own rhetoric. He was/is also uber-righteous in all respects. If you weren't with either, you weren't worth listening to. (One colleague described Carter as the kind who'd have to burn his own thumb before he'd determine that fire was hot.) Sanders is also notoriously intolerant of other points of view or suggestions that don't originate from his own mouth.

Carter was a Democratic president with Democrats controlling both houses of congress. And yet, because he disagreed with everyone and failed to use the remarkable opportunity, he had what most consider a failed, one-term presidency, too much of it spent quarreling with congress. Congressional Democrats expected to use their exciting period of power (surely 8 years!) to enact progressive advances the Republicans had blocked, but Carter wanted to shrink government.

Substitute ", but Sanders wanted to move away from capitalism-based systems and replace with socialized" for that last, and that's what I believe we'd have.

This is very simplistic, black and white, but to a real degree what successes Carter is remembered for he also owes to the competence of his colleagues in congress who also made them happen, sometimes in spite of him. Sanders also has no achievements in his past to suggest he would be a more capable president than senator, and right now we cannot assume he'd have a Democratic-controlled congress to work/fight with. It's unfortunately likely Sanders would have a divided congress and a Republican-controlled senate to make deals with when Democratic positions conflicted with his own.

Oh, joy.

But imo, it's no more likely that he could win this time than last for much the same reasons, plus more voters have his number now. As the polls very consistently show. Sanders doesn't just have a floor, he has a ceiling and it's even lower. I think the only thing that could change that would be if Trump left the race and his followers were looking for a new leader. Then Katie bar the door, because our intelligence service say Russia wants to unite LW populists with the right to form a majority to take us down.

[BannonsLiver]

34. LOL

[NYMinute]

36. Better question is "what happens when Bernie loses?" nt

[LongtimeAZDem]

37. Oh, we know the answer to that; we've seen it before

[jimlup]

39. I am pretty tired of the Bernie bashing on this site so I appreciate this post

Bernie is much more honest than Elizabeth which is why I'm waffling back towards Bernie despite really wishing a woman could be the candidate in 2020.

The honest truth is that Bernie is the candidate who best reflects my views and sticks up for what I know to be true.

[LongtimeAZDem]

48. I am tired of the Bernie bashing too:

I'm tired of Bernie bashing the Democratic Party . . .

I'm tired of Bernie bashing the other candidates . . .

I'm tired of Bernie bashing the ACA . . .

[Buzz cook]

40. He will have my 100% support.

If he's the nominee I pledge all the support I can give. I'll donate, knock on doors, whatever I can do.

If Bernie then wins the presidency he will still have my 100% support.

The same is true no matter who the nominee is.

[doc03]

41. Then Trump will have four more years to

destroy the country

[aeromanKC]

51. You can wake up now.

[rpannier]

52. I will vote fos Sanders

As to the nay sayers who say he can't win, a lot of these people are the same ones who thought Clinton would win Arizona, Georgia and Ohio, along with Trump losing possibly losing Utah to a third party candidate

[PubliusEnigma]

54. What if pigs had wings?

[CentralMass]

59. Then republicans would work with us and "Nothing will fundamentally change"

Would solve our problems.

[samnsara]

55. IF he can beat trump then i would be ok ( luke warm) about it...

[Joe941]

56. Then we all will win.

[Mike Nelson]

57. I agree with most people thinking...

... that Bernie would making winning the general election much more difficult. But we're going to have to work hard, anyway. I do not think he would "move center" as most candidates attempt. One thing we could do is suggested by your OP - attempt to define "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" for people. People think "Communist" for both... it will be a challenge, but the alternative is unacceptable.

[maximusveritas]

58. I will do my best to help him win

but it will be hard to really put effort into it when the contest inevitably becomes a foregone conclusion. They don't even have to make up lies. They can just say Bernie will raise taxes on the middle class, etc, and it's over.

[RandySF]

62. I will focus on protecting our House majority.

If that falls and Trump is re-elected, the country will be lost for a generation.

[LanternWaste]

65. If Sanders wins the primaries, Democrats lose the general.

And it doesn't really matter who tells me what I can or cannot say... electoral math doesn't care about that irrelevancy.

[MrsCoffee]

66. What if pigs fly?

It’s not very likely that an 80 year old who just had a heart attack and won’t release his medical records will get the nomination.

That is fantasy.

[Dem4Life1102]

67. Then we all need to support him

to win in November

[Zeus69]

70. He will not get the nomination

After Super Tuesday, the Bernie supporters can begin along their path of the "Five Stages"

[LovingA2andMI]

76. We Lose....AGAIN!!!

Four more years of Trump....

[The Mouth]

84. The utterly crucial thing is to

distinguish 'Democratic Socialism", the system that works pretty well in Europe, from the fucking mess that authoritarian/populist socialist countries generally make of it.

Denmark= cool, Venezuela = the shits, so to speak.

Also, outreach to any African American communities that feel insulted or left out; yes they are important, very very important and appreciated. A lack of participation from the younger voters won't be the problem, a lack of AA participation just might be.




The Trump machine will slime whoever we nominate with an unimaginable amount of crap.


In the end, we need to have the message writ in stone before the convention: Vote blue, no matter who, or fuck you.

[LanternWaste]

85. Nessie and Sasquatch are other possibilities I don't discount.

But I don't predicate decisions, time or money on them either.

[radius777]

87. I would hold my nose and vote for Bernie

but not do anything else, as I would for most of the other candidates.

I don't care for Sanders, and dislike his supporters (on social media at least) even more - but to get rid of Trump I would 'vote blue no matter who'. Would expect Sanders would get crushed as he won't hold the Obama/Hillary coaltion that includes alot of fiscal moderates who dislike overly high taxes/big govt, ie the classic soccer mom/dad type who tends to decide elections, and who helped us take back congress.

That said, I fully expect Biden to win the nomination, based on all of the polling and his strong support with key Dem voting blocs (PoC, moderates, loyalists, etc). He's Hillary but holds his own better with white voters where Bernie had strength last time. Biden is also proving to be fairly teflon, having run a mediocre campaign and taken alot of attacks thus far and his poll numbers not slipping.

[NYMinute]

88. He won't nt

[kcr]

90. 4 more years of Trump

[pnwmom]

91. Why would millions of Hillary voters choose Bernie over Joe, Liz, Amy, or Pete?

And since that's the only way he can win, it seems very unlikely -- especially since he isn't making the slightest effort to reach out to them.

[Blue_Tires]

92. Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?

[Autumn]

93. If he wins the primary he becomes the nominee, if he's the nominee he becomes the president.

That's a good thing.