Does AOC's attack on Honest Joe make you more or less likely to support her?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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	13 (35%)
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	24 (65%)
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[berksdem]

41. +1!

[Thekaspervote]

53. +1000

[True Blue American]

88. A former bartender

Full of her media attention..

[getagrip_already]

89. nothing wrong with bar tending.....

I'm not sure why you hold that against her?

Whatever her faults are, they don't include past jobs......

[True Blue American]

92. Because she does not know

When to shut up. I do not hold it against her, it is just clear she needs to learn, then speak. So far she has done more harm than good with her inability t learn before she speaks.

[Mariana]

97. None of that explains why you denigrated bartenders. nt.

[True Blue American]

98. That is her experience.

[vsrazdem]

101. NOT.

Ocasio-Cortez attended Yorktown High School, graduating in 2007.[17] In high school and college, Ocasio-Cortez went by the name of "Sandy".[18] She came in second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.[19] In a show of appreciation for her efforts, the MIT Lincoln Laboratory named a small asteroid after her: 23238 Ocasio-Cortez.[20][21] In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session. She later became the LDZ Secretary of State while she attended Boston University. Ocasio-Cortez had a John F. Lopez Fellowship.[9]

In 2008, while Ocasio-Cortez was a sophomore at Boston University, her father died of lung cancer.[22][23] Ocasio-Cortez became involved in a lengthy probate battle to settle his estate. She has said that the experience helped her learn "firsthand how attorneys appointed by the court to administer an estate can enrich themselves at the expense of the families struggling to make sense of the bureaucracy".[24]

During college, Ocasio-Cortez served as an intern for U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, in his section on foreign affairs and immigration issues.[25] She recalled, "I was the only Spanish speaker, and as a result, as basically a kid—a 19-, 20-year-old kid—whenever a frantic call would come into the office because someone is looking for their husband because they have been snatched off the street by ICE, I was the one that had to pick up that phone. I was the one that had to help that person navigate that system."[25]

Ocasio-Cortez graduated cum laude from Boston University College of Arts and Sciences with a BA in 2011, majoring in international relations and economics.[9][26][27]

[True Blue American]

108. Yes

https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-used-to-be-a-bartender-2018-6

[tonedevil]

111. As long as you can feel superior. /nt

[vsrazdem]

119. That's for sure.

[stopdiggin]

130. and quite a few OTHER things that you apparently think

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not worthy of mention.

[whathehell]

134. Many people work their way through school tending bar & waiting tables

She earned a Master's degree.

[redstatebluegirl]

102. You betcha!

[Peacetrain]

2. Well if this is true, she just got her own nose out of joint.. she is attacking

an established member of the Democratic Party..vetted by President Barack Obama, who vetted his people!!... she has issues

[Dennis Donovan]

3. Saying she has fundamental disagreements w/ Biden is not an attack. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. She is suggesting he's not a real Democrat.

[Dennis Donovan]

14. She said they're different Democrats. n/t

[TwilightZone]

8. Which isn't all she said.

She said that the Democratic Party's tent is too big and that she and Biden shouldn't even be in the same party.

Purity is a great way to lose elections.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. There's some willful blindness in this thread.

She's suggesting either Joe Biden isn't a real Democrat or she isn't.

[TwilightZone]

17. Par for the course lately.

Whataboutism and moving the goalposts have also become quite popular, of late.

"She's suggesting either Joe Biden isn't a real Democrat or she isn't."

I think it's pretty clear that she doesn't consider Biden a real Democrat. She's the pure one.

[Wawannabe]

90. "She's the pure one"

My ass!

How the hell is it that she ran as a D and can now TWEET this shit!? She would not be an elected official without the D by her name.

Leave the tent if you feel it is so big, AOC.
Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!

[R B Garr]

105. ++++, she should show some real knowledge, like what Gore

did for climate change, before she throws any more stones.

I’ve always wondered how she gets away without having to answer any real questions about what real Democrats have done about climate change when it wasn’t cool and trendy.

[GemDigger]

19. It was his party

before she was even born. The woman is too full of herself.

[LonePirate]

43. Whose party will it be in 10 years or 20 or 30?

Changing of the guard can be a difficult transition for some.

[Thekaspervote]

57. If the party goes that far left it will destroy itself. Dems are more moderate than one thinks

Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.


They support Biden over the president, 38% to 27%, but prefer the president to Warren, 37% to 20%. This group voted for Trump by a smaller margin in 2016, 37% to 30%, with the rest casting ballots for minor candidates.

NYT/Sienna poll

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287336368#post2

[empedocles]

110. Thank you. Some here must be thrown off by those 'arabic numbers'

[GemDigger]

61. She seems to want instant gratification.

Not do it slowly and bring the masses along with her but to do it NOW.

[Demsrule86]

67. It won't be her party...I doubt she is still serving.

[The Valley Below]

93. I'm confident we will still be a liberal party in 20 or 30 years.

And NOT a socialist party.

[Hortensis]

104. LonePirate, we're the nation's LIBERAL party. If anything happened

to change that, liberals would HAVE TO either move to or start a new party. It'd be awfully dramtic of course, like the massive, overwhelming, early 1800s influx of conservative settlers to the original liberal Republican-Democratic Party established by Madison and Jefferson. And again when liberals flooded into the conservative Democratic Party about 100 years ago and took the label over again.

In between most of us moved, like Lincoln, to the new Republican Party and remained as the liberal wing of what became the nation's one huge party label until the conservative wing just got too powerful to remain any longer.

But we were always the same ideologically no matter what the label was. Liberal is one of the two basic personality orientations, and those don't change. We elect liberal leaders to represent us, just as conservatives elect conservatives (or nuts who pose as one of them) to represent them.

Note a huge problem with Sanders, btw? "I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat."

In any case, because Biden's in the middle of the mainstream liberal ideological range, his ideology is similar to that of by far most Democrats. And since he's done a good job for them, his liberal-dominated state has been sending him to congress for several decades.

[LonePirate]

107. It seems to me we have three ideologies in this country today.

The Republicans have a single ideology - far right quackery.

Democrats have two - the centrist wing (Obama/Clinton/Biden) and the progressive wing (Sanders/Warren).

It seems like the two Democratic wings will need to make peace with each other or one will need to overtake the other (rendering it defunct) as this country will not survive a three party system when so many prescribe to right wing politics nowadays.

[Hortensis]

116. We jprobably have a hundred ideologies, at least. But

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humanity has two main personality types -- liberal and conservative. (Libertarian may be a small third; they lack altruism and they glorify this lack, making them very unlike liberals and conservatives.)

I'm sorry but, the notion that our party has "the centrist wing (Obama/Clinton/Biden) and the progressive wing (Sanders/Warren)" is not correct. It's propaganda pushed by a smaller farther left faction who want to be seen as far more numerous and representative than they are. Also as "the only true progressives," which is just plain an outrageous lie to deceive. Both conceits are also pushed by hostile RW press to style Democrats as more extreme than we are, and of course as hopelessly divided and warring.

Progressivism: Liberals and the democracy liberals above all created are intrinsically progressive. You know, as Lincoln described it: "government of the people, by the people, and for the people." "All people are created equal" is the quintessence of liberalism. The right to vote and "rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" are liberal bases in our constitution and Declaration of Independence for progressive government that everyone's familiar with. There are others.

We the people get to say what we need from our government, not an authoritarian elite: pure progressive liberalism. Every progressive advance in our nation's history was the work of liberal progressives, often but not always joined by conservative progressives (who are effectively defunct themselves these days, but no doubt they'll be reborn someday).

To illustrate who's who in our party, Democrats have currently elected 235 Democrats to the house. 200 or more are liberals, 27 blue dog conservatives, and an uncounted handful of farther-lefties, dissident against the liberal majority but actually a liberal variation.

Our 200ish liberals are divided into two major ideological caucuses who, being liberals, share almost all goals. One, the "New Dems" (post-midterms count 103) is generally inclined to smaller, more guaranteed steps to achieve goals, including more cooperation with others. The "Progressive Caucus" (post-midterms count 98) believes in stronger action, pushing to achieve more and sooner, and is less inclined to cooperation with conservatives but critically important, still cooperative, as liberals are.

Again, both caucuses are liberal, and some members align with both groups because the disagreements tend to be in how, how much to go for and give up, and how soon rather than ideology. The press try to portray these as schisms, but even the much inflated noise around universal healthcare is all about universal healthcare.

The dissident handful of course tries to claim the Progressive Caucus as their own, but they're not.
Members of the liberal Progressive Caucus and the liberal New Dems Coalition are completely unconfused about who creates progressive action (Democrats) and who tries to destroy it (GOP).

As for rendering anyone defunct, that can't happen. Again with the house as an example, a handful can't render over 200 liberals representing the vast liberal majority of voters defunct. Nor can 27 conservatives.

In the dissident corner, those wired to opposition are always with us too, and joining the party and developing their own leaders just firms up their differences. After all, if opposition groups agreed with the majority, they'd lose their identity, their reason for existence, and their leaders their stature. Notably, LW dissidents have tried to start their own parties a number of times, but parties made up of dissident types have always fallen apart. One guess why.

[duforsure]

87. When too much is given up

From trying to work with other party's , you no longer can progress, you lose. Younger people are more progressive , and the older elderly people aren't. We've already been losing ground from taking the same actions as in the past. It needs to change , and the younger people will change it. I do like Joe, and I like AOC, but we need younger people in our government , not older, and a lot more minorities and women. That's whats wrong with our government , it needs younger people in it representing younger people better, and minorities also.

[Cha]

125. That sounds like a whiff

of elitist.. Biden is for Hard Working Americans

The 2018 Blue Wave was Won by Moderates mostly.. they turned the House Blue.. They are the Winners.. that's who I want.

[Demsrule86]

16. She said basically he shouldn't be in the same party as her and we should have standards...

and kick out those who don't measure up to her standards...great way to lose multiple election and create division...so I am very much unlikely to support her in a national election going forward...since I don't live in her district I have no say in her reelection...she is facing a primary, I hear.

[George II]

23. Read this article from Politico:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-not-same-party-094642

[True Blue American]

96. I agree with AOC.

In another country she would not be in the same party. All talk, no accomplishments.

[Kahuna7]

4. I never supported her in the first place. nt

[Thekaspervote]

59. I did at the very beginning..but her actions quickly changed my mind

[Autumn]

6. Saying you don't share the same views as another politician is an attack?

I must be guilty of attacking him too, because I don't share his views either .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Please see post five.

Thank you in advance.

[Autumn]

27. She's talking about the Congressional Progressive Caucus. But she's right. If we had more parties

I wouldn't be in the same party as many Dems. I'm don't consider myself a Democrat even though I'm registered as one and always vote for any Dem. I'm a Democratic Socialist.

She was asked what she thought her role would be as a member of Congress during, for instance, a Joe Biden presidency. I thought that was a great answer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Legislation starts in the House.

I can't think of any legislation that comes out of the House that Joe wouldn't support so imo there will be plenty for AOC to do.

[Bev54]

76. I have noticed

that those who are attacking Biden all seem to be Bernie supporters, including AOC. This is deja vu with Hillary. Bernie is not a registered democrat and I still blame a lot of his supporters for Trump, along with Russia, who Bernie also seems to support by voting against sanctions etc. I find it disgusting; they want to compare differences in policies yes but stop with the personal bullshit attacks, it is not becoming to anyone and certainly not helping. Going after Trump should be the priority.

[Wawannabe]

94. With you on the Bernie angle

But I am not so civilized. “Posts removed”.
Good on ya for your ability to convey without being alerted on by a Sanders supporter. He is not a registered Democrat and AOC’s support of Bernie hacks me off too! Why are they caucusing with the party if they hate it so much?

[SergeStorms]

113. Why?

Because few would hear from them, or even care to hear from them, if they weren't under the aegis of a major political party.

[TwilightZone]

12. If you agree that Biden shouldn't be a Democrat, then yes, that would be an attack.

Declaring that that Democratic Party's tent is too big is similarly misguided.

Alienating people is rarely a good strategy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Joe seems to be of a different era but I would never suggest he's not a real Democrat.

[George II]

33. She has said much more than that:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-not-same-party-094642

[Autumn]

39. She's sharp.

Thanks for the link.

[George II]

50. She never misses a chance to attack the Democratic Party or it's members...

That's not funny to me.

[Autumn]

56. Sorry. I just don't see pointing out where one differs from other people is an attack.

Joe's a Catholic, I'm an atheist. Is that an attack? No it's not.

[George II]

60. You should read that Politico article, she said a lot against Biden, Democrats, and the CPC.

[Autumn]

62. If what she said hurts your feelings contact her and demand an apology. You know how to contact

her.

[George II]

68. I have contacted her, as have many people in the 14th District (I no longer live in Queens).

But as we used to say in Queens, she's got some chutzpah telling the Democratic Party has "too big a tent". But on second thought, maybe she's right, she's in it.

[Demsrule86]

72. It hurts the party and our election chances should Biden as is increasingly likely (Updated)

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be the nominee when he is criticized as not belonging in the Democratic party and AOC's theatrical 'groan' at the thought of Biden's presidency didn't help either...I would think she would be pleased that Trump would have lost the election...well those who attack Biden have paid a political price...I don't doubt she will too. Her ill advised words hurt her chances too as I am not that old (more like me than her) and should be around when she tries to run for president...and I would never vote for her in a primary...only a general. Of course she will never win a presidential nomination IMHO in any case. She can stay in her safe blue district unless and/or until someone beats her in a primary. As she proved by beating the incumbent last time...incumbency doesn't guarantee a win for anyone in a primary...not even AOC.

Taking words out of contest doesn't make your point true. Sander will not be the nominee although he has my vote should it somehow happen.But Trump gets four more years in my opinion.

[vsrazdem]

81. "It hurts the party and our election chances should Biden as is increasingly likely be the nominee.

I couldn't agree more.

[True Blue American]

95. Every time I talk to a Republican or

Even one who is not sure her name comes up as an example of Democrats. That is my objection.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

137. I completely agree with the statement you quoted.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[lapfog_1]

64. saying that the party is too big if it includes both her

and Biden is an implied attack.

Unless you think that AOC should leave the Democratic Party.

[Thekaspervote]

66. She has unfairly attacked women several times, directly or indirectly

Days before madam speaker announced impeachment proceedings she publicly dissed her saying it was a bigger crime that speaker Pelosi didn’t act than dotard breaking the law. No apology

She claimed CHIP was sanders gig at a campaign rally in Queens. had she prepared at all she would have known it was HRC that crafted it. Sanders voted against CHIP!!!

She and sanders campaigned against Sherice Davids

This OP is more than just differing opinions when one says the kinds of divisive things she says

It doesn’t and won’t wear well

[Demsrule86]

69. It was an attack and will not reflect well on her candidate...she said we shouldn't have

a big tent and there should be 'standards' sure a smaller party would win way more elections.

[SergeStorms]

114. It's far more....

Than just pointing out a few differences, and you know it. I believe you to be disingenuous with a statement such as that.

[Kahuna7]

75. Right after she won she did a PBS interview where she made some really

far fetched claims. That's why I never liked her.

[gibraltar72]

9. Having fundamental differences with Joe

does not make you any less a Democrat. I have very many issues I think Joe is weak on. By the way I don't drive the same car I drove in the 80s.

[PBC_Democrat]

10. I have no doubt that she is sincere ..

and truly feels that way.

But this is not the time to lose sight of the ultimate goal, the country is not going to suddenly lurch to the left no matter how mush some of us want it to.

Change has to be incremental and we can't ignore the fact that a large part of the country is conservative. Ideological purity tests and refusal to try to build a consensus might feel good - but doesn't move the needle.

She has the luxury of representing a deep blue district where her ideas make perfect sense - not necessarily so for the rest of the country.

If we don't win - we get nothing
If we win - we can take steps down the road

I voted 'Less Likely'

[Demsrule86]

11. Less... I don't live in New York or her district...but what future does she have? She won't

win a statewide election in New York. She is in a blue district but it is a pragmatic district that expects their elected to tend to their needs. She should consider carefully her next moves.

[Hortensis]

91. Exactly, all of it.

She's apparently very well funded by people and interests outside her district, though. Anyone who sends money to a distant congressman is trying to subvert the will of the constituents.

[TexasTowelie]

135. +1

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. Disingenuous poll

Why not include "doesn't change my opinion at all"? Which is where I am. I think she is a big huge breath of fresh air.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. ""doesn't change my opinion at all"?"

Is that not covered by the pass option or the option to respond?

[Ferrets are Cool]

29. Not in my opinion....yours may differ. nt

[TwilightZone]

20. I'm not too fond of the purity argument, regardless of the source.

Alienating people isn't going to win a lot of elections.

[George II]

21. I can't realistically answer that question, nothing can make me support her. That's why....

....I've already contributed to Badrun Khan and Jose Velazquez.

[TidalWave46]

22. I miss Crowley. NT

[George II]

30. My friends and relatives in the 14th District do, too.

[Demsrule86]

73. I have friends in that district too...and the consensus seems to be she is weak in

constituent services.

[George II]

80. You're being kind. She didn't even have a district office until June, 6 months after taking office.

She claimed that taking over Crowley's office would have been "too expensive", yet her office is costing almost the same as his would have cost PLUS she's spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars renovating her office.

She's hardly ever in the district. Even that big rally under the Queensboro (Edward I. Koch) Bridge wasn't in her district.

She's virtually dismissed the seniors in the district and alienated many of the ethnic voters in the district.

[Demsrule86]

82. I know...not a good look. And there will be a primary too.

[brooklynite]

34. FYI - his cousin Elizabeth is running for Queens Borough President. He's still Queens Party Chair

[George II]

83. He resigned as Queens Party Chairman about a week after being re-elected to that post....

https://qns.com/story/2019/02/20/former-queens-congressman-crowley-stays-involved-in-national-politics-after-joining-major-lobbying-firm/

[NurseJackie]

120. Interesting.

You're more in the loop, apparently.

[Cha]

126. lol..

Thread winner.. imho!

[brooklynite]

24. I don't have a reason to "support" her...

She's not my Congresswoman, so I won't be voting for her; she's not in an at risk District so I don't need to invest any money; she's not implementing critical policies that need my influence.

[Zoonart]

31. Elected Democrats who have used the power and infrastructure

of the Democratic Party to get ELECTED should stop shitting on the party. PERIOD.

[Thekaspervote]

70. How true!!

[Wawannabe]

100. BINGO!

Her elected office has a D beside it. She USED US! Like Bernie does.

[FoxNewsSucks]

26. bogus title,

It's not an "attack"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Suggesting Joe Biden is not a real Democrat seems like an attack to me.

[progressoid]

42. Ha! People on DU post about who they think are "REAL" Democrats all the time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Yeah. I have started posts about Vichy Dems in the past.

Joe might not be a progressive warrior but a Vichy Democrat he isn't. Jeff Van Drew was a Vichy Democrat, now he's a Republican.

[melman]

49. Constantly

[George II]

32. Please read this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-not-same-party-094642

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. You voted that her attack on Joe made you more likely to support her

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287409338

so you obviously thought it was an attack, no?

[FoxNewsSucks]

84. no, I dont define it as an attack,

Just that in general, I mostly agree. And don't like the race to the right that establishment and corporate democrats are taking us on.

[Sanity Claws]

35. This is manufactured outrage

AOC is right. In any country, they would be in different parties. Most countries have more than 2 parties. Each of their multiple parties is less of a big tent and their members' positions are more closely aligned.
I also wonder how some people within the Democratic party can call themselves progressive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Even if what you say is true why pick on Joe?

I can think of a lot more conservative Democrats than him.

[Sanity Claws]

47. Pick on him?

Even the terminology selected is childish and used to manufacture outrage.
Perhaps she referenced Joe because that was the way the question was asked.
Even if the question did not reference Joe, she may chosen to refer to Joe simply because he is the most visible and best known of conservative Democrats.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I'm sorry you find my terminology puerile . I thought I was being plain spoken*

Why did Alexandria -Ocasio- Cortez hold out Joseph Robinette Biden for opprobrium?






*like our 33rd president

[redqueen]

40. Yep. I cannot wait for proportional representation.

That day cannot come soon enough.

[Hav]

46. The US has more than 2 parties as well

She is free to leave the Democratic party, join one of those smaller tents and try to win a house race for them. If she's a member out of convenience and despite her convictions, then that is kind of telling. There is no point in complaining about it when it's in your power to change that unless her point was that Biden shouldn't be in the party.

[Sanity Claws]

51. There are only two parties with any power.

The Green Party is a joke.
BTW, she also ran on the Working Families party in 2018 and will again in 2020.

[Hav]

63. You can still be a member of another party

and caucus with one of the major parties. There are enough examples for that.
But you seem to agree, it's out of convenience and choosing the easy route. I doubt she wants to run only for the Working Families party in 2020 with a Dem contender in the race.

[redqueen]

78. Until the two parties in power allow proportional representation, no other party has a chance

All they can do is act as a spoiler.

I cannot wait for proportional representation.

[Mike Nelson]

44. I can't support...

... her... my district Rep is Adam Schiff - and I do support him! If I were in AOC's district, I would vote for her over the Republican. I don't agree with everything she says, though, and I might go for another primary candidate. I do think AOC is smart and has a great future. I see "memes" portraying her as completely deranged, but she always speaks with great knowledge and she's obviously very learned. I believe her comments about Biden may be in her role as a Bernie surrogate.

[Thekaspervote]

71. See post #66 for some reasons

[tonedevil]

54. If you use the word Honest...

as part of the nickname for someone it is a clear indication to me that of all the things they are honest isn't one of them. I don't believe that VP Biden lacks honesty so I think that calling him Honest Joe is not a good idea.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Honest Abe?

[tonedevil]

74. 150 years ago...

since then it is more frequently associated with used car dealers and card sharks. Perhaps I am alone, but to me it paints a picture of the opposite type of person VP Biden is.

[LanternWaste]

86. Creative movement of the goalposts...

Painting a picture, indeed.

[tonedevil]

106. If you think that...

calling VP Biden Honest Joe will make people think he is honest, please proceed. I think it is the moniker of a used car salesman and I don't think that truly reflects Biden's character.

[LanternWaste]

85. That allegation seems... honest.

[tonedevil]

109. If you think Honest Joe...

is a name that invokes trust you and I must travel in vastly different circles.

[aeromanKC]

58. No ACA without the Dems big tent!!

We had 59/60 Senarors back then. (60 for only about 90 days) It's also going to take a big tent to get the White House and the Senate back!! I like the Dems big tent!!

[TreasonousBastard]

65. Support her for what? She is very new, and very loud, House member, but...

I have no idea why she needs support.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

77. I couldn't care less. I don't live in her district, or even her state,

so I can't support her (or not) anyhow. I would say, though, that if Biden is the nominee I hope she will at least support (or not speak against) him in the general election, and if he is elected I hope she doesn't undercut his legislative proposals - since he would then be the head of the party to which she claims to belong.

[nini]

79. I've never trusted her so no change in my view

Give me Sharice Davids any time over AOC.

[TexasTowelie]

136. +1

[Wawannabe]

103. Apparently you CAN flame Biden

On this site - But, NOT Bernie, or your posts will be removed and you will be kicked off. Hmmm. Biden is a Dem and Bernie Independent. I have had enuff!

We will have a 2016 because if this situation and I can now care less if admin kicks me off this site due to me being outspoken about Bernie.

[RandiFan1290]

112. aww

[MineralMan]

115. I don't live in AOC's district, so my support or non-support is irrelevant.

I also doubt the strength of her influence on a national basis, when it comes to the presidential election. I doubt she has much influence on that even in her own district.

She's part of a small minority in the House that holds views farther to the left than the average. As such, she gets some attention, but is still a very minor player in national politics. I admire her enthusiasm for her positions, but give her no more credit than he has earned through her influence.

She's probably someone to watch, but her time to wield power has not yet arrived.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

117. Nice push poll.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

118. Thank you

[The Valley Below]

122. I am, and have always bee, a liberal Democrat.

Enough said.

[aidbo]

123. Not an attack tho.

[Zenlitened]

124. I applaud the way AOC...

...upsets the cranky-pants demographic of the party.

Without even trying.

People sure do love to get riled up over her mere existence, let alone a simple, factual observation. Er, I mean her ATTACK!!1!

Seems to me she's ruffling all the right feathers. Something I can definitely support.

[Cha]

129. Nah.. she's only hurting herself.

[RandySF]

127. Kind of neutral

Might hurt her in her own primary, though.

[booley]

128. honest Joe?

Gee, I am glad we arent trying to bias the poll or poison the discussion or anything liek that.

[Cha]

131. Where's ALL of BS' Medical Records.. AOC

care to comment on that?

Bernie says he will "probably not" be releasing his full medical records after all.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=408823

[booley]

132. as it has nothing to do with the subject, no

No I do not feel the need to change the subject.

Thanks for the offer though.

[Cha]

133. No one should be running for potus without being

able to show all their medical records.. AOC needs to think about that in her small tent.

Bernie says he will "probably not" be releasing his full medical records after all.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=408823