Some very legitimate concerns

[nbsmom]

Posting as someone who supported Bernie in the 2016 cycle, these are my key concerns with
Bernie’s quest this time around:
1. He is not being transparent with his health
2. He is not being transparent with his funding and his “Our Revolution” Super PAC that’s not a Super PAC (particularly because the FEC accounting for campaign contributions won’t be done until AFTER the election in November)
3. His potential selection of Tulsi Gabbard as VP (see concern #1 above)
4. An assumption (conveyed by members of his campaign) that Warren voters will transfer to him if Warren drops out

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[JustAnotherGen]

1. Wait

Is he REALLY considering Gabbard as a VP? I've not been following the details of the campaigns closely, as I think the Russian Trolls are out in full force, and the media keeps trying to create bullshit amongst the left to fuel their ratings.

THIS as a statement (considering Gabbard as VP) gets my attention.

She's not qualified.

[Bummfuzzle]

10. We have no idea who he would select, but he doesn't like Democrats, despises them per his own words.

He doesn't hire them. All his people are people that voted third party Stein. Democrats do not particularly like him, he doesn't work well with others. So what Democrat would want to be his VP. It is a legitimate question who he would get as a VP.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. And what about Andrew?

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[JustAnotherGen]

16. Interesting

Thank you

[BlueMTexpat]

2. Given that you posted some very

legitimate concerns that don't concentrate uniquely on his health (and yes, I am more concerned about his non-transparency about that than anything), I am reccing your OP, even though I've just blasted another OP that focused on BS's health.

And I am a Warren supporter. Period.

The ONLY way that I would EVER shift my support to BS if Warren dropped out - which she is not intending to do - is if Bernie becomes the Dem nominee.

I sincerely do not believe that will happen. For many of the concerns that you have expressed above which are in a lot of people's minds AND because I will never forget nor forgive HIS behavior, and that of his Bernie Bros, towards Hillary Clinton in 2016.

[Demsrule86]

18. Biden released all of his health records.

[nbsmom]

19. Okay, bringing some receipts here...

1. A two-page doctor's note is not transparency. In fact, it's rather reminiscent of the current occupant's MO.

2. These "ordinary, totally transparent donations" are very sketchy.

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3. No. I have no way of knowing who Democratic Presidential nominee Bernie would pick for VP. And ordinarily, this wouldn't concern me, but my trust of candidate Sanders is very thin at this point. Your P.S. doesn't inspire confidence, BTW.

4. My concern stems from how Warren supporters who have not been in contact with the Sanders campaign are still being contacted via text by THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN. I am aware that you can obtain a lot of info from precinct/voting info, but AFAIK not the phone number. Abuse of data privacy is still a thing, even when you're running for President. (ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.)

[George II]

22. Your point #2 is correct. If we don't know from whom 71% of the contributions come....

....is not transparent.

In only the first two quarters of the year he's already had roughly 9,000 itemized contributions flagged by the FEC as being questionable or outright impermissible.

Elizabeth Warren has 0, and Joe Biden 477.

[George II]

21. When 71% of a candidate's contributions are "unitemized", they're not totally transparent...

If we're told who the contributors are, their location, occupations, employers, and amounts are revealed, THAT would be totally transparent.

[ritapria]

5. Your concerns are unfounded on all fronts

He has been transparent on his health ...He has no control over Our Revolution ..He will not select Tulsi Gabbard as VP....All of Warren's supporters will not go to Warren …. About 33% of her supporters list Bernie as their 2nd choice for President , according to Morning Consult …. Consider voting for Bernie ………..If you seek fundamental change from a man who has been fighting for the working class his entire adult life ,when the going was tough, consider Bernie …..If you want a return to normalcy , then consider Joe ….

[sacto95834]

15. It surprises me that many

do not look closely at the polling data for a group obsessed with politics - me included.

But Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have very different bases of supporters. It bothers me that the MSM and some here lump the two "progressives" together and assume both share the same base and should one drop out their supporters will rush to join the remaining progressive candidate.

From my reading of the poll numbers, Warren's base are mainly very well educated urban professionals. This class on the whole earn good incomes and concern themselves with the more "social" issues - abortion, LGBT rights, immigration rights, climate change. To use a term created by the McCain campaign the cafe sipping liberals. I think in a way, she shares this group's support or lack thereof with Mayor Pete. His rise came at mostly her expense.

Sander's support is based more on in the young voters (Millennial), those who haven't voted in a long time as they've given up on politics and a lot of organized labor and blue collar workers and "Independents." There obviously could be some cross with Warren, but really the two groups are different.

If you look at who the 2nd choice of Sanders voters is, it's Joe Biden. Can't remember who Warren's base would go to, I just remember it being more split than Sanders.

Just my thoughts....

[oasis]

6. Tulsi Gabbard, Nina Turner are likely to be in Bernie's cabinet.

I have visions of a host of " our revolution" amatuers immediately getting busy on a wholesale makeover each department.

A bunch of high publicized missteps will lead to the resurrection of the GOP and a take back of the presidency in 2024.

[totodeinhere]

7. Oh come on. Gabbard will not be his VP pick. You can take that to the bank.

Are you sure you really supported him in 2016?

[Scotch-Irish]

8. Ageism is even rampant in the supposedly "equality for all" democratic party.

F*** that whole idea. A 32 year old banker in our town recently had a heart attack. Two young people in their 40's in our county recently died of heart attacks. Pete Buttigieg could die of a heart attack, but we don't hear anything about that.

Face it. Old people in our society are losing even MARGINAL paying jobs in the work force every day, because younger people don't want to supervise them, or LOOK at them, actually.

"In the front office, we don't want to leave the impression we're an older, out of date company". Ever heard that??

Well, it happens every single hour of every single day. Yet an overly-qualified and brilliant friend of mine who is in her 70's, just yesterday, spent 30 minutes on a treadmill, worked with a weight circuit, did 45 minutes of water aerobics, 1-1/2 hours of kundalini yoga. But her hair is gray, and her employers cut her loose last year because she's "too old". The 32 year old heart attack victim was on the board of directors that cut her loose.

Ageism is every bit as harmful and hurtful and dangerous as racial, sexual, religious or physical discrimination...dangerous because the medical community often ignores health issues that might be attributed to age, and they fail to investigate or treat seniors appropriately.

And here....on Democratic Underground...this kind of discrimination is tolerated every day. Bunch of hypocrites post here. Hypocrisy is not solely a transgression of republicans. I expect Democrats and progressives to be better informed of their points of view.

[nbsmom]

20. None of this has to do with his age.

Please understand: THIS IS NOT ABOUT BERNIE'S AGE. It has to do with how he has communicated (or, really, not communicated) about his health issues.

In 2016, Bernie was over 70. I had no qualms about supporting him through the primaries. I supported Bernie because I believed that he genuinely supported most of the same progressive causes that are important to me.

Here's the thing: I didn't know anything about Bernie or the people who he chose to run his campaign in 2016, either.

But now I do.

Bernie did hire a former partner of Paul Manafort's, Tad Devine, to run his campaign (and yes, I know he also was a consultant with the unsuccessful Gore and Kerry campaigns). Fun fact: While he was working with Manafort, Devine worked on the successful campaigns for Yanyukovich in Ukraine.

Interestingly enough, as of this writing, Mr. Devine is still affiliated with Mr. Yang's campaign.

[KPN]

9. Hmmm ... I have very similar concerns about Biden.

1) Too old for one, but not being transparent about his overall health. What explains the extraordinary frequency of faux pas'?

2) Like every candidate, his campaign finances come from sources that expect a return for those finances. In his case, Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry, and corporations predominantly.

3) His potential selection of VP. I won't name one, but any moderate would trouble me deeply. Not to mention that the notion that Sanders would select Gabbard is ridiculous and strikes me as fabricated fear-mongering.

4) An assumption that Buttigieg voters will gravitate to him if Buttigieg drops out.

These are very legitimate concerns I have about Biden as well as my instinct telling me Biden would lose to tRump head-to-head despite what current polls show.

[NYMinute]

12. You echoed my concerns precisely nt

[booley]

13. One thing we can dispel right way

31% of Warren supporters hold Sanders as their second choice.

To be fair about the same of sanders supports view Warren as a good second choice (I am one of them)

Both candidates are often talked about in the same breath as the progressives int he race. (though we can argue who is more progressive)

So thinking those Warren votes would go to Sanders isn't so hard to believe.

Hells Bells, 26 % of Biden supporters have Sanders as their second choice.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-second-choice-candidates-show-a-race-that-is-still-fluid/

The rest of the worries seem to rest on the belief Sanders is outright lying (which there is no evidence for). Or that he will choose Gabbard (who isn't as in line with Sanders politics as many assume and he has not given any indication he would do beyond the coincidence she is a woman of color and Sanders has said he would strongly consider that in his VP)

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. I don't share those concerns, at least not the way you frame them.

I have concerns about anyone in their 70's running for president, with health being high on that list. Biden, and Bloomberg, and of course Trump are in that age group also, and Warren just joined it. Earlier on I expected a younger candidate to take off, but now I no longer do. Most voters seem willing to overlook age this time around, and most Americans know someone who has had a heart procedure and came back from it seemingly stronger than before. Many of those who die from heart attacks die suddenly from their first massive one. I am virtually as concerned for Biden as I am for Sanders. May they each pick younger strong VP running mates should they get the nomination.

Life is a crap shoot, younger people get diseases and die also. It looks like we are in for another four more years with an "elder" at the helm. As to Bernie's health in specific, he's been more open about it than Trump has been, who he would be running against. Trump shows many signs of being in poor health. Sanders exhibits more energy than Trump does, and that is what the public would be looking at during the campaign.

Bernie will not pick Tulsi. She has outed herself as too eratic. In 2016 she was one of the few Congress Reps who endorsed him and sure, he used her to campaign for him. But you should remember that before Tulsi came out for Bernie she had just been serving as one of the national Vice Presidents of the DNC. She was at the time being groomed for leadership by the mainstream Democratic Party. Now she even refused to vote to impeach Trump. No way Bernie will pick her.

I'm not worried about Bernie's fund raising, I think he's established his values and priorities firmly over the last 40 years. But even if you are concerned, it is a non issue for the General Election if Sanders is our nominee running against Trump, who is literally owned by corporate interests and lobbyists and won't even release his taxes.

Some Warren voters will back Sanders for the nomination if she drops out. others won't. But a lot of polling data suggests that Sanders and Biden are actually the top choices of some working class voters. It is an open field with a lot of time left for the dust to settle. Regardless, you are not suggesting that a sizable number of Warren voters would vote for Trump over Sanders if it came to that, are you?

Nina Turner would end up in some kind of White House staff position where she did not need Senate confirmation. That's my prediction. And whatever else you may think of her, she won't represent a right wing agenda.