Did Warren end chances for both her and Bernie?

[Prosper]

Lot of people believe that in the 2016 election that Bernie supporters upset at treatment of Bernie voted for Trump. So what did Warren think would happen if she cost Bernie the nomination?

What happens if Bernie drops in the polls by Warren saying on National TV that Bernie said a woman couldn’t win?

Somebody as smart as Warren should have known the potential consequences. She made a bad choice in the most important choice of her campaign. I like all the Democratic candidates but Bernie is my top choice. If Bernie is hurt by Warren and Warren gets the nomination I would still vote for her. I think it was a dumb mistake by Warren but she still represents what I believe in.

[Ninga]

1. I'm not going to answer. I sincerely hope I'm NOT the only one. It's over. Move on.

[yardwork]

2. Warren isn't the one who brought this up.

Read the original story here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html

[Prosper]

8. No good comes out of it and that should have been the guiding light.

[yardwork]

11. No good comes of women allowing themselves to be pushed around.

Warren didn't start this fight, but I think she's going to finish it, and that's one reason I support her.

Women are tired of being told to sit down and shut up.

[Docreed2003]

23. I honestly loved the strength she showed at the end of the of the debate

To confront Bernie outright. While there are those that are attempting to hush her, even Bernie in that moment by putting his hand up, she did the right thing and she faced him head on and I loved it. She didn't back down, nor should she.

[yardwork]

25. That's exactly how I saw it.

[sheshe2]

105. She was fearless.

She did the right thing.

[vsrazdem]

27. I totally disagree. She just showed that she can't control her anger, putting those old

stereotypes about woman back in play. It's infuriating.

[BannonsLiver]

33. You mean the stereotypes you're perpetuating right now?

Why not just call her shrill and get it over with.

[vsrazdem]

45. No, as someone who marched in New York to get the ERA ratified, it pisses me off to no end

that it has taken us almost 50 years to get to the point where women are taken seriously as a presidential candidate, and that she displayed her anger in public, like that for everyone to see. We always here from the idiots that women can't control their emotions, and she just perpetuated that myth. Hillary Clinton got it 10 times worse from Trump on that stage, and she NEVER did that. She laughed at him, brushed of her shouldes and moved on. That is what a presidential candidate does. If she can't even handle this from a colleague, she will never be able to manage Trump.

[sweetloukillbot]

76. SHE perpetuated the myth?

You are calling her on it, so evidently you don't think it's a myth, regardless of what marches you took place in.

[Tumbulu]

106. what anger did she display in public?

could you have mistaken being earnest for being angry? And so what if she did, who wouldn't be angry at that grumpy old goat. he should have just said "senior moment" whatever. My goodness!

[Bummfuzzle]

107. But, he got angry. And that is not a concern.

[George II]

114. None. She asked him a direct question. He refused to answer and stalked off.

[BuffaloJackalope]

34. Coloring it like that is what keeps the old, false stereotypes in play.

Just face it that Bernie is promoting misogyny & he just fucked up with this. Hold him accountable.

[vsrazdem]

47. There is no coloring it. That is what she did. Hillary never behaved that way.

[jrthin]

51. Maybe Hillary should have. nt

[BuffaloJackalope]

52. And misogyny is what Bernie did.

If he can't handle losing to a woman without resorting to a sexist put-down, maybe he should find something else to do.

[spooky3]

78. She got plenty of criticism from people, e.g., for not confronting Trump when

he ominously and rudely loomed behind her in the debate. You are putting women in a Catch-22 by criticizing them for standing firm when they believe they are right. Assertive behavior is not the same as angry or out of control behavior.

[ehrnst]

112. Bingo. (nt)

[kcr]

38. Can't control her anger?

Talk about old stereotypes.

[vsrazdem]

42. Yes, that is why I am so upset about her behavior. That is exactly what people will see, old

stereotypes.

[kcr]

43. Sorry. It's 2020. Women don't need to conform to outdated standards anymore n/t

[vsrazdem]

46. Sure.

[kcr]

50. Well

Keep performatively marching in parades while telling women who run to calm down while supporting the men who run against them. That's a much better strategy.

[jrthin]

54. Exactly. Men can blow off but we can't...wtf. nt

[Demsrule86]

57. If women raise their voices...why they are angry, shrill...someone here wrote a post about how

they didn't want to listen to Warren...a supporter...her voice or some such thing. It was kind of shocking. Yet, if women don't show passion than they are boring,weak and can't handle the job sigh... it really is a no win situation.

I wrote on this very forum that I didn't think a woman could get elected president in sexist America...but I was wrong. I see that now. As some pointed out Hillary won a primary and the popular vote...and she didn't lose the EC as I once thought because she was a woman but because of many years of bashing her, Comey...etc. And also, the blue wall states just happened to be fed up that year...they wanted help sent to their region and Trump made promises he will never keep in a million years-the stars aligned. And Trump won the EC.

On the bright side, I kind of think that won't happen this year...although, incumbents have an advantage. Warren showed guts and is now my second choice. And as always, I will vote blue no matter who.

[redstateblues]

127. That's not what I saw

[LanternWaste]

128. The only ones who see your stereotype are the ones who want to.

But I get it... Bernie's anemic campaign is sputtering and you guys gotta play any cards at your disposal, even if they illustrate your candidate in a really, really bad light.

I guess doing as such can be justified as a positive cost-benefit ratio.

[AJT]

56. So the fact that Bernie is pretty much in constant yelling mode is ok

but Warren defenging herself, not knowing the camera was on after Bernie came to her, is showing she can't control her anger?

[dansolo]

63. Funny how Sanders' anger is never an issue

Sanders shows his anger all the time, and yet he is never characterized that he can't control his anger. The double standard is astounding.

[vsrazdem]

64. Oh it is. But unfortunately, we women are always held to a higher standard.

[LanternWaste]

129. An implicit admission you hold Bernie to a lower standard.

I can only imagine the convenience that allows you.

[nolabear]

65. She held it just fine. He's the one who just couldn't hold back.

You could see her fury in her face. And she conducted herself like a champion until it was over.

[vsrazdem]

66. Well that's the way you saw it. I saw it differently.

[nolabear]

67. And so goes America.

[BeyondGeography]

89. Lol

Artfully done.

[spooky3]

77. Speaking as only one professional woman, I totally agree with you and others

who believe her behavior was excellent. I believe if she had backed down, many women (and men) would have been sympathetic but disappointed that she didn't assert her position. Others would have interpreted it as weakness, and possibly an admission that she was mistaken about what Sanders said or worse, lying about it.

She was in the classic Catch-22 position where women are criticized no matter what they did.

I also think Tom Steyer was trying to help by saying he wanted to say hello to Bernie--I think he thought BS & EW might not be aware of the hot mic. I don't like the negative portrayals of his action from some in the media.

[ehrnst]

119. +1000.

[SidDithers]

62. +1...nt

Sid

[spooky3]

80. +a bazillion

[sheshe2]

95. +1000

[ehrnst]

120. The results of polling after the debate show that she's gaining speed.

I think that she showed real strength.

[Wawannabe]

125. Sour grapes much?

This is ridiculous.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

3. No. n/t

[moriah]

4. So outright lies by the Sanders camp about deploying neg canvass scripts...

... can't be called out, because we risk upsetting Bernie's supporters?

Uh, no can do.

I'm honestly more saddened that the gender wars are what is getting the press, and not the shady in-person canvass tactics. I was initially skeptical because the original reports seemed to imply it was a phone script -- and I have enough experience with phone banking to know that no one would waste valuable seconds to try to persuade a voter who was already leaning towards a Dem candidate. The question is mostly for internal polling/identifying which people you're calling support X candidate so if that candidate drops out and endorses, you can call them back.

Door-to-door canvass can get hairy anyway because you are going into persuasion. I'm frankly appalled that such scripts ever were released, instead of ones that specifically said "Do not attack the person's preferred choice, instead say you're excited for your candidate and why".

[Prosper]

13. moriah said: "Do not attack the person's preferred choice, instead say you're excited for your cand

And I said that all through the 2016 campaign realizing that attacking Trump only builds and/or firms support. Michelle had a similar message which was ignored.

[moriah]

18. Well, I did 2016 GE canvassing.

And I'm in a red area. So yes, for my personal safety as a lot of our population is armed, I didn't trash the man on their doorsteps either. I instead said why I thought HRC was the better candidate.

I will continue to trash Trump where it is deserved and call him on his bullshit when having discussions with people I know won't either shoot me or just slam the door in my face, and I don't think that's wrong. I don't attack him for his cosmetics, I simply say how (insert just about every decision he's ever made) is embarrassing to the nation.

But in any door-to-door canvass, especially in a primary, it's *stupid* to attack other Dem candidates. And wrong, and unfair, and I think Sanders should own it vs lie about it then quietly admit it and get into a war over what might or might not have been said in a private conversation as a distraction.

[Prosper]

39. I don't think there is a solution.

I think it is over for Bernie. Bernie doesn’t have a sexist past so for that conversation to make him a sexist just shows the eagerness to condemn him. When Bernie announced as a Democratic Socialist for the 2016 campaign I thought he was crazy. The lower classes are blamed for their own problems. Anybody sticking up for them has a long uphill row to hoe.

[The Valley Below]

75. I also think it is over for Bernie.

But perhaps in a different way than you do.

[dansolo]

111. But he does have a sexist past

Wasn't there a huge issue with his 2016 campaign regarding the treatment of women staffers in his campaign?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

[Demsrule86]

49. Yep, Here in Ohio...I had my daughter wait in the car with her phone-with 911 dialed...I once had a

guy threaten to sick his dog on me...I was scared-big dog. I told him, ' I hope you won't do that, it would be a shame to kill such a fine animal'. Then I turn around and marched back to the car, forcing my self not to run...legs shaking. The lists of Democrats were not updated...hard to do with cell phones and all. This was in 08. And 12 was worse. In 16, I worked in Cortland Ohio...not in the boonies so it was better. Proud to say in a sea of red, Cortland went for Clinton.

I would add, I have worked campaigns all of my adult life, and never...not once have I seen a script that attacked another candidate...it usually says good things about the candidate you support and about important issues. And, I have never seen it in a general...much less a primary where we are dealing with our own party.

[spooky3]

81. good on ya - that must have been tough nt

[Demsrule86]

98. I was terrified...but I always as some here can tell you- have a big mouth...

luckily it all worked out...also out where we were...there were confederate flags...well I am not knocking on that door!

[Piasladic]

93. I can't imagine.

Good on you. You showed exceptional fortitude and really diffused the situation.

[Demsrule86]

99. He was really scary...and the dog was big...but it was either a bluff or he thought I would

whip out a gun and shoot his dog.

[Demsrule86]

53. We are talking about canvassing...you have to fight fire with fire in terms of ads etc.

And we are not in a general yet...but in a primary where we are on the same side really.

[abqtommy]

5. Bollocks. Playing "what if" is why we have clutching pearls and fainting couches.

[Happy Hoosier]

6. Any "Bernie Supporter" who voted for Trump...

... is a POS. Period.

Warren did not start this. She is simply responding honestly to questions about it. To paraphrase Bernie, I getting a little sick and tired of people suggesting we have to walk on egg shells to avoid offending Bernie supporters.

[yardwork]

7. Amen!

[Demsrule86]

40. +1000 I don't get involved in the Sanders campaign drama on twitter... but I will say this. I do

not believe any Sanders supporter on this site would ever ever ever vote for Donald Trump. The will all vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is period end of story. These folks are our fellow DU'ers and good people, they will as they did in 16 vote for the Democratic nominee.

[Wawannabe]

126. ...

[scheming daemons]

9. Let's hope so. We need to nominate Biden or Klobuchar.

[Nanjeanne]

10. No. They just need to stop giving voice to CNN's desperate grasp for ratings.

[MineralMan]

12. No. But, she opened up a festering wound that people will keep scab-picking.

You know who made the mistake? Bernie's non-Democratic campaign staff. That's who. They sent out a script to be used by lowly underlings in Iowa and other places to damage Warren's campaign.

See, Bernie's team realizes that the competition for second place is the most important at this stage in the campaign. And that position is hotly contested by Sanders and Warren, who share, more or less, the same political philosophies.

The Sanders senior staff people know what's up and have been working in the background to attack Warren, since attacking Biden isn't working well at all. They think that if they can shift some Warren supporters to Sanders, he'll gain on the front-runner. In reality, it seems to be working, at least in Iowa. Of course, Iowa doesn't really matter much, but they believe it does.

So, by stirring up a battle between Sanders, who would deny that any such thing is going on, and Warren, who doesn't appear to recognize what's happening, the idea is to punch up Bernie's polling.

Biden just stands there smiling. He needn't get involved with that squabble. He can just say, "Let's you and him fight!"

[Demsrule86]

36. +10000. And this is on him...he hired non-Democrats in critical areas of his campaign who really

don't like the Democratic Party and are scorched earth types as well. What did Sanders expect? And if he loses the nomination, it will be because he had the poor judgement to choose Sirota, Turner and other Stein voters to work for his campaign for the Democratic nomination for president. And they did what they do best, went after any Democrat who stand in his way using underhanded tactics like the script...but you know what happened on the debate stage, well...that was all Sanders doing. He handled it very poorly.

[still_one]

14. So are we blaming this on the "woman" candidate? Why is it assumed that Warren is the one causing

the problem?

[groundloop]

15. Any Bernie supporter should be ashamed of themselves if they voted for tRump

By November people need to get over primary politics.

An election is a choice between A and B..... is A more aligned with my views or is B more aligned with my views. ANYONE who supported a liberal/progressive candidate can't possibly think that tRump is a better choice than the eventual Democratic nominee, and voting for a horrible candidate out of spite is just plain stupid.

[BooScout]

16. WOW!

First off, SHE did not start this or "cost Bernie the nomination". His campaign started this, he said a woman couldn't win and then accused Warren of being a liar on national television and gasp then she stood up for herself.

Nice try at changing the narrative to make it all Elizabeth's fault, but epic fail.

[BlueMTexpat]

17. Why is your question putting

this on Warren?

Sheesh!

[Prosper]

22. Do you think it helped Warren to confirm that on TV?

Bernie put and end to the email controversy in the debate with Hillary. Sexist?

[Demsrule86]

32. Do you think it helped Sanders to call Warren a liar on TV? He could have ended with a

'well Warren and I remember that conversation a bit differently, Perhaps I wasn't clear...let me be clear now,I believe a woman can be elected president...yada yada'...done over. This is a problem Sanders created with his elitist script starting it and his words on the debate stage escalating it. I find Warren blameless. In fact, I admire her guts and as a result she is now my number two should Biden falter in the primary.

[Prosper]

41. Agreed. I thought he could have explained it without saying it didn't happen.

[BlueMTexpat]

82. How on earth did Bernie "put an end"

to the HRC email controversy?

GOPers raged about that throughout the GE ... and from Bernie during the GE: *crickets.*

********
Warren was asked a direct question in the debate and Bernie denied her response outright. Please save your poutrage for the questioner and for Bernie, who made things worse!

[Prosper]

90. On the debate with Hillary Bernie said people are sick

of hearing about her emails.

Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders to Clinton: people ‘are sick of hearing about your damn emails’
Vermont senator gets big applause at first Democratic presidential debate after backing Hillary Clinton over her controversial use of a private email server

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the

[BlueMTexpat]

91. I remember that.

But those words certainly did NOT put an end to others mentioning them - including his own surrogates. So he really did NOT put an "end" to them.

And how on earth is that equivalent to what he did on Tuesday night?

If anything, he fanned the flames.

So, please quit putting everything onto Warren.

[ehrnst]

122. +1000.

Later, that May, he certainly had changed his mind.

https://time.com/4351525/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails-superdelegates/

[ehrnst]

115. "Bernie Sanders Says Superdelegates Should Consider Hillary Clinton's Email Scandal"

His own words, the following May after the statement you are referring to:

https://time.com/4351525/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails-superdelegates/

[George II]

132. Berned!

[ehrnst]

133. The silence is deafening, isn't it? I know that being shown to be wrong stings...

But really...

[ehrnst]

116. The following May after the debate you reference....

in his own words:

Bernie Sanders Says Superdelegates Should Consider Hillary Clinton’s Email Scandal

[ehrnst]

131. What - no retraction now that you've been corrected on your mistake?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=428619

[walkingman]

19. I think most of this controversy is a media things. I don't think either Bernie/Warren are

making this a big issue. The question I have is will the black community support a progressive candidate. I think they will but am not sure. Also can a Progressive candidate beat Trump. I personally think that they can but am not sure.

I plan on voting for a Progressive candidate in the Primary but without question cannot even think about another term for Trump.

[LexVegas]

20. ...

[The Mouth]

21. If they would only vote for Bernie, and not the Democratic candidate

Then they were/are just scumbag trolls, fuck them, they don't count, and never counted.

[Prosper]

24. Can't agree more. But did Elizabeth help herself?

[The Mouth]

30. Personal opinion? A bit

Since the facts are disputed as to whether Bernie said *exactly* what was claimed, it becomes a back-and-forth 'he said/she said'. And no candidate can appear to roll over in such a situation; to win ANY Democrat, in ANY situation had better be counterpunching.


You say something bad about me, I'm saying something worse about you; *regardless* of if what you said is true or not. This is how Trump fights. ANY attack, be it a snarky comment or something verifiable by extensive research is responded to in minutes, not fucking hours, with a full attack back.

"Truth" is determined by who wins, who hits hardest, just as "history" is written by those who win the wars.

Elizabeth could not afford to not strike back, no candidate can any more than we should give our soldiers in Afghanistan tutus and sparklers instead of guns and bulletproof vests.

[comradebillyboy]

70. Although I am more sympathetic to Warren, neither comes out of this

tiff better off.

[BlueMTexpat]

83. Time will tell.

But Bernie certainly did not cover himself in glory AND he certainly revived a lot of things about himself that people didn't like about him in the past.

There is that.

[sheshe2]

97. Yes she did.

She showed her strength under fire and not cut and run from controversy. As President she is going to need those strengths.

She Persisted.

PS. I have voted for her twice and she won both those elections. I plan on voting for her two more times, Goddess willing, she will win both.

[ehrnst]

117. Anyone who is gunning for her will think anything she says is "hurting herself."

[Bayard]

26. This is all just distracting bullshit

Like the Biden/Harris thing that got so much attention.

Its not what we're fighting for. tRump is our target. There is no luxury of time to make sure a Dem is president in 2021. We accuse rethugs of circular firing squads, when we do it ourselves. They're loving this.

[katmondoo]

28. I still support Elizabeth Warren

[Demsrule86]

29. So after years of denial on the part of Sanders and his campaign, are you saying

Sander's supporters cost Hillary Clinton the election? And Sander's supporters voted for Trump in 16? I hope that isn't true...as they would all have blood on their hands. However, one has nothing to do with the other. If some other candidate beats Sanders which is likely IMHO, it will not be Warren's or anyone's fault but Sanders. He is at best tied in states he should win easily and this is why he went after Warren with the elitist crap which is a ridiculous charge by the way. If Sanders doesn't get the nomination, it is on him. And Warren is running for the nomination herself...not her job to help Sanders out by being a good little woman. It just isn't. I would hope that no Sanders supporter would think it is better to elect Trump than any Democratic nominee in the end.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Yes, you AND I would most certainly vote for Elizabeth... & Bernie would advocate for her too.

But, why do anything that risks a major rift in the party? And why would someone people, like we've seen here, do everything they can to keep a non-story like this in the headlines, which creates only division. Dolt45 & his pal Putin must be smilin'.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Demsrule86]

68. So Sanders should be the nominee to avoid a 'rift'...why even have a primary then? How about this...

Sanders did this to himself...it is on him...with the script and by calling Warren a liar on stage no less...he could have handled it differently. I doubt Sanders will be the nominee and not because of anything that Warren did but because of how he has run his campaign and the anti-Democratic party people he hired for his campaign...that being said he has my vote in the general should I be wrong...and we won't have a rift if everyone votes for the nominee even if they are not Warren or Sanders.

Warren is now my second choice. She showed guts in standing up for herself and refusing to be a 'good' girl. At first during the primary Sanders was my second choice as I thought he could win Wisconsin...but he has conducted himself in such a way during the primary that he gets my vote only in a general. If Sanders loses the primary, it is on him...not Warren. Sanders is at fault and no one else should he lose the primary.

[sweetloukillbot]

79. Sometimes there's almost a blackmail tone

Bernie or busters will only vote for Bernie, while everyone else will vote Blue No Matter Who.
So vote for Bernie or else.

[Demsrule86]

130. No question and despite all the hype...I do not think he wins the nomination...let's hope people

want to get rid of Trump badly.

[BannonsLiver]

35. Ah blame the woman

That seems about right.

[GemDigger]

37. As a woman, I would be damned if I let a man make a fool of me when I know I am right

especially in this situation He said it. Now he needs to man up and admit it. This isn't about who is going to take the hit, him or her, it is about lying and truth. Right and wrong. The country is watching, what say you Bernie?

[George II]

44. +1,000,000

[still_one]

48. Is this an example of "blaming the victim"? Victim shaming?

[Quackers]

72. It sure in the hell sounds like it. nt

[lapfog_1]

55. go ahead and vote forTrump if you don't like what has been happening here

I, for one, have my exit plan B.

[KPN]

58. No. nt

[lees1975]

59. Bernie supporters voting for Trump

would have to be intellectual midgets and the most ignorant, uninformed people casting ballots, even more so that the mindless deplorables who vote for trump. There are not any two men in the country who represent more opposite ends of the political spectrum than Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump. If you support Bernie, Trump is worse than a fascist.

But hey, folks, it's long past time for all this petty crap to be flushed down the toilet. I know, as a Democrat, I'm going to get a President who cares about reforming health care, bridging the wealth inequity gap, strengthening my social security and medicare so I can have it when I get to it, working toward gun legislation reform and immigration reform and education reform and all of the things I care about. So what matters most is making sure that the orange headed buffoon is beaten into the ground and the Republicans are taught an electoral lesson about putting rule of law and loyalty to country ahead of selfish interests. Can we get that done first?

[LanternWaste]

60. No, my guess is that Bernie didn't ruin either her or his chances.

It's simply this week's red meat off the bone, and next week will find a New and Improved Concern to throw at the walls.

[SidDithers]

61. "So what did Warren think would happen if she cost Bernie the nomination?"...

"cost Bernie the nomination?"...




Sid

[Demsrule86]

69. Sid...this! If Sanders loses it is on him...not Warren.

[treestar]

71. that is kind of odd - and entitled

She would certainly "cost Bernie the nomination" if she won it herself.

[blm]

94. Yeah - that one doesn't pass the sniff test

[yardwork]

85. Bernie has been anointed, don't you know?

[SidDithers]

86. No coronations!!...

Sid

[Blue_true]

73. I don't agree. Warren is the victim in this situation.

She has a right to be angry.

She was attacked in 4 early voting states as a person who attracts elitists. How is that honest or fair? Warren has gone everywhere to campaign, in poor towns and well off cities, she doesn't seem to care, it seems to be about hearing people's issues to her.

I have a question for you. If a good friend appears to have said something negative about you, would you just blow that off? The concept of a friend is that person covers your back in all cases that are ethical and you do the same for that person. Bernie's campaign attacked Warren in a fundamental way by implying that she was some ivory tower person that attracts mostly elitists.

[Bummfuzzle]

74. Sanders action, Warren stands up for herself, Sanders being picked on.

[BlueMTexpat]

84. About right, IMO.

[BootinUp]

87. The suggestion that Warren could "cost"

Bernie the nom is pretty funny,

[Squinch]

88. Lol. As usual, the woman is being held responsible for the man's behavior and its ramifications.

Totally weird question, totally weird take on this.

[boomer_wv]

92. I think you can look at this thread...

and see that it helped neither of them. Likely it's hurt them both.

As a Biden supporter, I hope they keep it going through Iowa.

[Zolorp]

96. Disagree 100% with you.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

100. End? No... but definitely handicaps. N/T

[Hoyt]

101. Unless Sanders said "women should not run for Prez," the whole thing is not worth

all the furor.

I don’t know why Warren even mentioned it to start with.

[MrsCoffee]

102. Boy you guys are seriously grasping today. Bernie is Bernie's worst enemy.

[NYMinute]

103. She did end it for Bernie for sure

[RandySF]

104. No, but the truce is over.

They both want to be POTUS they worked too damn hard to to nicely give it up.

[emmaverybo]

108. It would really take the cake if were Bernie not to win the nomination he blamed Warren. This

blame thing is never a good look from supporters or a candidate.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

109. Did Bernie call her a liar on national TV?

Or is that what she heard?

Did Elizabeth call Bernie a liar on national TV?

Or is that what he heard?

[whistler162]

110. Nah... Senator Sanders is doing

a good job of that without her help!

Do I really want to trade one angry old white male New Yorker for another?

NOPE!

[ehrnst]

121. To be fair, Bernie fled NY and all the civil unrest for rural Vermont early in the 60's

So, there's that.

[Hav]

113. That's funny

People were upset about the treatment Bernie received? Bernie was treated with kid gloves to not upset his supporters.

Now they tried to go after Warren and she didn't just accept it. And all the blame is put on Warren for calling people on their bs.
I actually think Warren needs to sink Bernie. That's just a personal opinion but in a 1 on 1 matchup against Biden, I think Warrren would do considerably better than Sanders.

[ehrnst]

118. Bernie is just as involved, and is the author of his own outcome...

You talk as if that Bernie and his surrogates has been silent all this time.

[lark]

123. This is truth - Warren did NOT bring this up.

She just told the truth when asked by the media about Bernie's trying to push her not to run and now that she's running he's lying about his effort. Is he twisting it in his mind that he was telling her she couldn't win, and not that some woman couldn't win? Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

This was raised to media by a friend of Warenn's who had been in the room in 2016 and was told by Liz what happened after the talk - the friend remembered and thought it was heinous so brought it up. Those are the facts. Of course, the actual words are still disputed.

[Wawannabe]

124. Funny a Sanders supporter is blaming Warren

Funny

[Algernon Moncrieff]

134. Elizabeth Warren made a huge blunder commenting on stage

Whenever you are in a media production area (TV, radio, podcast) you assume you are on a live hot mike. She should have smiled, shook his hand, walked off the stage, and either called him in private or worked to express her displeasure through surrogates.

It was not smart politics.