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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:22 AM Jan 2020

Why Bernie Sanders Is Electable, Too Against Trump.

https://morningconsult.com/2020/01/14/why-bernie-sanders-is-electable-too/

Sanders leads Trump in the latest head-to-head polling 46 percent to 42 percent, picking up 2 percentage points on the incumbent Republican since the previous survey and statistically tied with Biden, who leads Trump 46 percent to 41 percent. The latest national survey, which was conducted Jan. 6-12 and polled between 8,218 and 8,386 registered voters, has a 1-point margin of error.
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Why Bernie Sanders Is Electable, Too Against Trump. (Original Post) vsrazdem Jan 2020 OP
Hugh Hewett is voting for sanders because sanders is such a weak candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #1
Thanks Hugh, we'll take any vote we can get. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #4
Rush Limbaugh would love to have the weakest candidate as the Democratic nominee Gothmog Jan 2020 #8
Well, that would be Joe Biden, Since Bernie Beats Trump in Florida higher than Joe does. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #10
sanders is such a weak canddate that if sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Jan 2020 #39
Why? Doesn't allying with conservatives Hortensis Jan 2020 #9
I want Bernie as our Candidate, and if takes independent and Repubs to get him there, so be it. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #12
No to that last. She's trying to ELECT Biden, not destroy us. Hortensis Jan 2020 #15
So you want trump to have another four years? Gothmog Jan 2020 #40
Telling Zolorp Jan 2020 #14
The fact he is voting for Trump in the general should give some pause...but it is a shame that Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #2
Sanders is only now beginning to be vetted as a candidate Zolorp Jan 2020 #3
Good luck trying to push that narrative. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #6
No luck to it. The SWP was a communist organization. He was affiliated. Zolorp Jan 2020 #16
LOL, this narrative is going nowhere, intelligent people see through it. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #18
Intelligent people do not determine the outcome of national elections. Zolorp Jan 2020 #23
Intelligent people fully understand the ideology embraced by Bernard Sanders The Valley Below Jan 2020 #34
Erm.... who's the current president ? OnDoutside Jan 2020 #53
trump would easily destroy a very weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #41
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #19
So because I am new to this forum my opinion is not as valuable as others who have been here longer. Zolorp Jan 2020 #24
I don't recall saying your opinion is not as valuable. I welcomed you. A little touchy are we? vsrazdem Jan 2020 #26
That appeared to be what you were insinuating with the derogatory "newbie" Zolorp Jan 2020 #29
Apparently appeared that way to only you. You should read posts here more often. That term is vsrazdem Jan 2020 #30
This is my first experience where the term is not a put down insult. Zolorp Jan 2020 #33
Welcome to a new experience. Things can get a little heated here, but we do not discourage or vsrazdem Jan 2020 #35
Zolorp, as long as your posts do not violate the terms of service, you can pretty much Sloumeau Jan 2020 #31
I just saw a poll that had Biden ahead by a wide lead, followed by Buttigieg and Warren Zolorp Jan 2020 #32
Hugh Hewitt?? Really?? now there's an endorsement any good dem would want to side step!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
Oh, I don't know, Meagan McCain seems to love Biden and his policies, so there's that. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #7
not a single state that bernie wins that Biden wins easily while there are 5 beachbumbob Jan 2020 #11
Which ones? vsrazdem Jan 2020 #13
Not rocket science beachbumbob Jan 2020 #20
I just posted Bernie beats Trump in Florida higher than Biden, so Florida - so no. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #28
I never heard about him praising Castro until a few days ago. Zolorp Jan 2020 #43
There are tapes with him praising Castro...so he will never win Florida. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #50
If Senator Sanders were to win the nomination, we would see months... Sloumeau Jan 2020 #17
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jan 2020 #22
And if its Biden, we will see months and months of Biden and his son are crooks, just like with vsrazdem Jan 2020 #25
Please show me the evidence that the Sloumeau Jan 2020 #27
Do you really think that matters to Trump. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #36
It doesn't matter that they didn't do anything wrong. He will repeat it over and over anyway, just vsrazdem Jan 2020 #37
That, the Biden and son deal, not nearly as potent as "I am a socialist," coupled with policies emmaverybo Jan 2020 #46
Um no. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #48
Doubtful as Trump broke the law and attacked Biden and his son...may have attempted to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #49
The only reason Sanders is polling at all well against Trump is that Sanders hasn't really been highplainsdem Jan 2020 #21
The Clinton campaign had an amazing oppo file on sanders but never used it Gothmog Jan 2020 #42
Disinformation Campaign At Play.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #38
A current head-to-head poll isn't a sign of "electability"... brooklynite Jan 2020 #44
Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie Gothmog Jan 2020 #45
He is not winning Virginia...so no he is not electable. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #47
not yet anyway booley Jan 2020 #54
The only reason he is competitive is that there are so many running...and he will be eliminated on Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #55
NATIONAL POLLS ARE USELESS. MH1 Jan 2020 #52
GOP support a very weak sanders shows that sanders is the weakest candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #56
 

Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
1. Hugh Hewett is voting for sanders because sanders is such a weak candidate
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:28 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
4. Thanks Hugh, we'll take any vote we can get.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
8. Rush Limbaugh would love to have the weakest candidate as the Democratic nominee
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jan 2020

The GOP would love to have the weakest possible candidate as the Democratic nominee

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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
10. Well, that would be Joe Biden, Since Bernie Beats Trump in Florida higher than Joe does.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
39. sanders is such a weak canddate that if sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Why? Doesn't allying with conservatives
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jan 2020

send up even one warning flag? They vastly outnumber Sanders supporters, you know, and a large majority of those are downright inimical toward him.

You cannot win by allowing with the right against the Democratic Party. Those whose goal is to lose can, though, and we know some of those are in bed with you. Again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
12. I want Bernie as our Candidate, and if takes independent and Repubs to get him there, so be it.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jan 2020

People can vote for whoever they want. Meagan McCain is voting for Biden, so does that send up warning flags too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. No to that last. She's trying to ELECT Biden, not destroy us.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
40. So you want trump to have another four years?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jan 2020

The only reason that these GOP voters are voting for sanders is that they know that sanders will lose to trump and lose badly


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(67,943 posts)
51. The fact he is voting for Trump in the general should give some pause...but it is a shame that
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:11 PM
Jan 2020

some don't seem to care if we beat Trump as long as the candidate they support is nominated...no not saying you...just in general,I have seen this. It is very disappointing.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
3. Sanders is only now beginning to be vetted as a candidate
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jan 2020

His affiliation with the SWP alone will insure defeat in any national election.

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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
6. Good luck trying to push that narrative.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jan 2020
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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
16. No luck to it. The SWP was a communist organization. He was affiliated.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jan 2020

That's the GOP wet dream for a Democratic Presidential candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
18. LOL, this narrative is going nowhere, intelligent people see through it.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jan 2020
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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
23. Intelligent people do not determine the outcome of national elections.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jan 2020

Average to below average people determine the outcome of national elections.

A man who was affiliated with the Communists, praised Castro, and sided with Iran during the hostage crisis cannot win a national election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
34. Intelligent people fully understand the ideology embraced by Bernard Sanders
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jan 2020

and most repudiate that ideology.

He will not be the Democratic nominee.

For very good reasons.

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OnDoutside

(19,860 posts)
53. Erm.... who's the current president ?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
41. trump would easily destroy a very weak candidate like sanders
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jan 2020

Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
24. So because I am new to this forum my opinion is not as valuable as others who have been here longer.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jan 2020

I don't recall reading that in the TOS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
26. I don't recall saying your opinion is not as valuable. I welcomed you. A little touchy are we?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
29. That appeared to be what you were insinuating with the derogatory "newbie"
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jan 2020

Anywhere in life where that term has been used to describe me, both online and off, it has always been derogatory. A put down.

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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
30. Apparently appeared that way to only you. You should read posts here more often. That term is
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jan 2020

used here frequently to welcome new members.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
33. This is my first experience where the term is not a put down insult.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
35. Welcome to a new experience. Things can get a little heated here, but we do not discourage or
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jan 2020

disparage new poeple to the site.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
31. Zolorp, as long as your posts do not violate the terms of service, you can pretty much
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jan 2020

say whatever you like. Biden is leading in the last three Iowa polls, so he will probably win Iowa, and then will have about an 80% chance of winning it all. Because of this, do not be surprised if you see posts that seem to be quite a stretch from reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
32. I just saw a poll that had Biden ahead by a wide lead, followed by Buttigieg and Warren
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

Sanders was a distant fourth.

Saw it on Twitter, will have to see if I can find a link.

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Thekaspervote

(32,098 posts)
5. Hugh Hewitt?? Really?? now there's an endorsement any good dem would want to side step!!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jan 2020
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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
7. Oh, I don't know, Meagan McCain seems to love Biden and his policies, so there's that.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jan 2020
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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. not a single state that bernie wins that Biden wins easily while there are 5
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jan 2020

states that Biden will win that bernie has little chance

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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
20. Not rocket science
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jan 2020

- Florida
- Arizona
- Ohio
- Iowa
- N.Carolina


with outside chances in S. Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Missouri

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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
28. I just posted Bernie beats Trump in Florida higher than Biden, so Florida - so no.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jan 2020

Arizona, which is where I live, I wouldn't count on that either. Ohio, slim chances of picking up by any Dem. I think Iowa will go to whover the Dem nominee is.

Southern states, we seldom win in the General.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
43. I never heard about him praising Castro until a few days ago.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:27 PM
Jan 2020

Won't that kill any chance he has in Florida?

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Demsrule86

(67,943 posts)
50. There are tapes with him praising Castro...so he will never win Florida.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
17. If Senator Sanders were to win the nomination, we would see months...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jan 2020

and months of "Crazy Bernie!" advertisements. Senator Bernie Sanders is the least electable of all of the candidates, and some do not realize it yet because the GOP is trying to get Dems to pick Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
25. And if its Biden, we will see months and months of Biden and his son are crooks, just like with
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jan 2020

Hillary's Emails. Trump loves that story.

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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
27. Please show me the evidence that the
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jan 2020

Bidens did anything illegal.

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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
36. Do you really think that matters to Trump.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jan 2020
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vsrazdem

(2,174 posts)
37. It doesn't matter that they didn't do anything wrong. He will repeat it over and over anyway, just
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:05 PM
Jan 2020

like he did with the Emails. It will be lock em up all over again.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
46. That, the Biden and son deal, not nearly as potent as "I am a socialist," coupled with policies
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jan 2020

costing trillions, no accomplishments legislatively, 60’s radical theme(think white boys who never worked hawking Worker’s World magazines), a heart attack, and an off-putting manner. Who sees
Bernie as a uniter? Sure,I will vote for him in the GE, but many will vote against and many stay home. Baggage carried by a man of Biden’s presidential qualifications and broad likability is one thing. Bernie, needing porters to carry his, is another and we need to think hard about that.

I credit him for the force of personality to found a movement for like-minded others. That is his singular and single political accomplishment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(67,943 posts)
49. Doubtful as Trump broke the law and attacked Biden and his son...may have attempted to
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:07 PM
Jan 2020

assassinate the ambassador as well. I would vote for Warren if Biden was out...not Sanders as a perceived socialist will not win the general. And I don't like his campaign's scorched earth tactics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,442 posts)
21. The only reason Sanders is polling at all well against Trump is that Sanders hasn't really been
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jan 2020

vetted and scrutinized, as Joe Lockhart pointed out on CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/15/opinions/bernie-sanders-2020-scrutiny-test-lockhart/index.html

and the GOP isn't going after Sanders because they want him to be the Democratic nominee.

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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
42. The Clinton campaign had an amazing oppo file on sanders but never used it
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jan 2020

The Clinton campaign had an amazing and well written oppo file on sanders that was never used because sanders was such a weak candidate that no one thought that sanders would be the nominee.



sanders was mathematically eliminated by the Super Tuesday contests
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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
38. Disinformation Campaign At Play....
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020

Recognize it would one sees it.

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brooklynite

(93,016 posts)
44. A current head-to-head poll isn't a sign of "electability"...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders hasn't been subject to an opposition campaign by Republicans for decades.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
45. Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jan 2020



Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager is warning that Democrats would struggle in a general election against Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.

In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders’ stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.

“If I were a campaign manager for Donald Trump and I look at the field, I would very much want to run against Bernie Sanders,” Messina said. “I think the contrast is the best. He can say, ‘I’m a business guy, the economy’s good and this guy’s a socialist.’ I think that contrast for Trump is likely one that he’d be excited about in a way that he wouldn’t be as excited about Biden or potentially Mayor Pete or some of the more Midwestern moderate candidates.”....

“From a general election perspective, socialism is not going to be what Democrats are going to want to defend,” Messina added.“If you’re the Democratic nominee for the Montana Senate race, you don’t want to spend the election talking about socialism.”

Messina is the latest Democrat to raise concerns about Sanders at the top of the ticket. Endangered House Democrats are coalescing around Biden because of concerns that Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could threaten their reelection hopes, POLITICO reported Saturday.
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Demsrule86

(67,943 posts)
47. He is not winning Virginia...so no he is not electable.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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booley

(3,855 posts)
54. not yet anyway
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jan 2020

I remember when you all were saying there was no way for Sanders to ever be competitive any where. He was supposed to have dropped out early last year.

The arguments against Sanders's electability appear to an ever-receding horizon of wishful thinking.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(67,943 posts)
55. The only reason he is competitive is that there are so many running...and he will be eliminated on
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020

super Tuesday...he simply doesn't have enough support and has alienated some recently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,483 posts)
52. NATIONAL POLLS ARE USELESS.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jan 2020

What, do they think we are fucking morons who don't understand the electoral college?

Why do they bother with this crap?

Oh right, because some people buy it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(142,587 posts)
56. GOP support a very weak sanders shows that sanders is the weakest candidate
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:31 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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