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Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:29 PM

 

Hillary Clinton Won't Commit to Helping Bernie Sanders Win in 2020

Former secretary of state claims "nobody likes" Vermont senator, currently a leading presidential Democratic candidate and the most popular elected politician in the country.

CNN political analyst Chris Cillizza argued Clinton's attack was actually "great news for" Sanders:

Sanders is running this 2020 presidential campaign (as he did the 2016 campaign) on a simple premise: the powerful have been sitting comfortably for way too long and it's time to shake things up. Sanders was vilifying the elites and the political establishment (of both parties) long before Donald Trump even started considering running for president.

This is who Sanders is; it's who he has always been. It's at the core of why people support him and why he has been able to build a movement around his back-to-back presidential candidacies.

Guess who, for lots and lots of Sanders supporters (and even other Democrats who don't support him) epitomizes that elite establishment? The Clintons!

While the Sanders campaign had yet to respond to Clinton's comments, Cillizza recommended Sanders should send her "a thank you note for the well-timed attack."

Jewish Currents news editor David Klion tweeted that the interview was another indication of the lasting legacy of Clinton and her husband, Bill Clinton, the 43rd president.

"Start to finish, one of the most selfish, petty, nihilistic, counterproductive careers in American political history," said Klion. "Every time they open their mouths it makes things worse. History will not remember the Clintons fondly."


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/21/inexcusable-hillary-clinton-who-lost-trump-2016-wont-commit-helping-bernie-sanders
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Reply Hillary Clinton Won't Commit to Helping Bernie Sanders Win in 2020 (Original post)
billpolonsky Jan 21 OP
still_one Jan 21 #1
wyldwolf Jan 21 #2
Old Crow Jan 21 #7
squirecam Jan 21 #12
still_one Jan 21 #15
Old Crow Jan 21 #17
still_one Jan 21 #14
beastie boy Jan 21 #20
Uncle Joe Jan 21 #3
rzemanfl Jan 21 #4
Squinch Jan 21 #6
rzemanfl Jan 21 #9
Squinch Jan 21 #11
rzemanfl Jan 21 #19
cstanleytech Jan 21 #5
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 23 #27
cstanleytech Jan 23 #42
FarPoint Jan 21 #8
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 23 #28
beastie boy Jan 21 #10
delisen Jan 21 #13
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 23 #29
LanternWaste Jan 23 #32
Hortensis Jan 21 #16
Hav Jan 21 #18
quickesst Jan 21 #21
The Valley Below Jan 23 #24
quickesst Jan 23 #25
mudstump Jan 23 #22
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 23 #33
MrsCoffee Jan 23 #35
StevieM Jan 23 #23
Post removed Jan 23 #34
Mike Nelson Jan 23 #26
delisen Jan 23 #30
Demsrule86 Jan 23 #31
MrsCoffee Jan 23 #36
Wawannabe Jan 23 #38
Demsrule86 Jan 23 #40
Gothmog Jan 23 #37
Demsrule86 Jan 23 #39
oasis Jan 23 #41

Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:31 PM

1. I seem to recall in the last general election someone saying it wasn't his job to convince people

 

to vote for the Democratic nominee

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:32 PM

2. hmmm... wonder who that was....

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:38 PM

7. Who said that? (Serious, non-snarky question; I don't know)

 

I just did a Google search on the phrase "It isn't my job to convince people to vote for the Democratic nominee" and got nothing.
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Response to squirecam (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:55 PM

15. Thanks, you beat me to the snopes link

 

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Response to squirecam (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:00 PM

17. Thanks; I appreciate it (N/T)

 

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:54 PM

14. ........

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-told-supporters-hed-never-tell-them-how-to-vote/
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Response to Old Crow (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:09 PM

20. I believe the reference is to this:

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-supporters-town-hall-222431

On edit: oh man, am I slow!
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:35 PM

3. Kicked and recommended

 

Thanks for the thread billpolonsky.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:35 PM

4. Gotta wash socks. Enjoy the rest

 

of your stay.
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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:38 PM

6. Funny. I just thought, "I wonder if rzemanfl needs any help washing his socks,"

 

Mine are all clean and I need something to do.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:42 PM

9. Cold here now and I need them.

 

Remind me when it gets warm and I will send a flat-rate box.
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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:45 PM

11. OK. Maybe I'll knit you something instead.

 

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Response to Squinch (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:08 PM

19. .....😁

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:36 PM

5. Perhaps she is saying this currently so as to not unduly influence the voters on which Democratic

 

candidate to pick?
If that is the case then I am fine with that providing she will help should Bernie win the nomination.
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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:48 AM

27. The Boundless Bernie Bashing Backlash ALWAYS helps...it splains Bernie's recent surge in the polls!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 04:49 PM

42. To be honest I do not care what Democrat wins the nomination as I intend to fully support them as

 

the alternative is Trump and that is something our country cannot survive four more years of.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:40 PM

8. Makes me wonder if Barack Obama will help?

 

Just looking ahead...
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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:49 AM

28. Help Bernie... yes!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:43 PM

10. I don't think "attack" means what Cillizza thinks it means

 

If it did, my decision to turn to CNN at a later date would have been an attack. Or reserving judgement on Cillizza's professional competence for a later date would have been an attack.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:51 PM

13. Common Dreams is misrepresenting what Clinton said about liking Sanders

 

Would you like to acknowledge that Clinton was referring to Sanders peers in the Congress and not the general population?

I think it is important for our party and our democracy to not take what anyone has said out of context and thus misrepresent.

If we do not stand for honesty, we become propagandists.
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Response to delisen (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:56 AM

29. Either way, the Boundless Bernie Bashing Backlash is why Bernie's surgin, so I hope it keeps up!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Bernie Sanders

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:56 AM

32. Another surge, eh? How many is this... like, 55 or so?

 

With his record cash haul, and the amount of dark money he's pulling in, one would expect that as an established career politician, he'd be doing much better by now.



(Sorry, my mistake. This should help... "HE'd bE DOinG muCh BeTter by nOw."
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:55 PM

16. Hillary is too sensible and principled to do anything during the

 

primary that might benefit his candidacy in any way.

He's not only unwilling (and proudly so) to represent the liberal Democratic Party's principles and goals, but a Sanders nomination is the Republicans' wet dream, Putin's scheme, and Trump's personal best chance of furthering an imperial presidency instead of legal and financial ruin as a private citizen.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat." Bernie Sanders

Even though I'm quite sure his contempt indicates he can't understand what it means to be a liberal Democrat, as a lifelong liberal Democrat I both believe and agree with him.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:07 PM

18. That article is a gem

 

So much butthurt cramped into pretty much every sentence. Witnessing such a level of bitterness is actually remarkable. You can really imagine the writer hammering down the words on the keyboard, getting angrier with every sentence.

I think Hillary hit a home run with her remarks.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:22 PM

21. damn!

 

"Start to finish, one of the most selfish, petty, nihilistic, counterproductive careers in American political history," said Klion. "Every time they open their mouths it makes things worse. History will not remember the Clintons fondly."

This is one hell of an anti-democratic rant.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:11 AM

24. Every time I read that rant I assume it is about some else. IYKWIM?

 

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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 04:43 AM

25. same here....

 

....and they are becoming more frequent. From 2016 to 2020, some things never change.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 12:33 AM

22. So much for unity.

 

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Response to mudstump (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:58 AM

33. Were you expecting something different?!

 

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Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:33 AM

35. Gotta love a strong woman not afraid to speak her mind!!!

 

Thank you Hillary!!
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:07 AM

23. I suspect that history will be very kind to the Clintons, assuming our democracy manages to survive.

 

Bill Clinton won an election that allowed us to partially turn away from the Reagan Revolution. Without his win in 1992 I think our country would look very different today.

As for her career being selfish, it's funny how she didn't have that reputation when she was on the job. And what does it even mean to say that someone's career is selfish or petty. It is just name calling by hateful people.

Also, just for the record, Bill Clinton was the 42nd president, not the 43rd.

I do agree that every time they open their mouths it tends to lead to more condemnations of them, because we are at a stage where whatever one of them says will be condemned as somehow being immoral or dishonorable. The media will always find a way to twist their words into something worthy of being condemned. It's like we are trapped in those 5 days between Iowa and New Hampshire in 2008.

As a general rule, when pundits and politicians are screaming that history will condemn someone, it is usually because they are desperate to achieve the personal satisfaction that they derive from making that proclamation.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:21 AM

26. Wow...

 

... great story! Bernie should hire this analyst! I do think that Hillary said she would commit - maybe she's acting like Bernie? I do think she'd come around sooner than he did, though...

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:39 AM

30. In Election 2016 had tons of anti-Clinton pro-russia articles and posts

 

I had remembered common dreams from about 10 years before that and was stunned to see what they had evolved into. It was Russia propaganda. No mention of human rights abuses in Russia. Lots of nasty anti-Democratic Party screed and of course anti-H Clinton.

In December 2016 it was one of the sites mentioned in the Washington Post article about sites which had been infiltrated by Russian propaganda. Common Dreams went ballistic and denied denied denied, and attacked the Washington Post. they also scrubbed a lot of garbage off their site.

Now its election 2020 and as we have been warned Russia has reved up its propaganda machine.

I have personally lost patience with the self-styled intelligensia, including large numbers of academics who refer to "the working class" as though we are economic units without permission to think for ourselves. The attitude goes hand in hand with concerted attempts to drive woman out of the public sphere (unless they are willing to bow to the patriarchal hierarchy). A lot of people talk about being "socialists" and preach socialism but so many just talk and live their personal lives like capitalists.

. Among the most obnoxious are the trust funders from Ivy League universities or expensive little finishing school colleges. They risk nothing themselves and many eventually settle into the gentrifying lifestyle, and stock-option employment, or write shallow books and keep the profits for themselves. In later years they chuckle about their days as youthful firebrands.

Katrina Vanden Heuval comes to mind or the old Paris Review editor, George Plimpton, who kept the secret that the magazine was supported by the CIA. When I see a publication that touches on the political I always ask myself two questions -how rich is the editor and where is the money coming from.

There are many exceptions of course but too many have bought into academic or coffee house socialism and basically "otherize" those who they refer to as "the workers" or "the masses." Misogyny is rampant.

I dumped salon when they started promoting the misogynist H.A. Goodman (big H Clinton hater, Bernie supporter in 2016 who managed to move seamlessly on to Trump.

This is not how democracy is built. It is not how we achieve equality.

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Undecided

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:55 AM

31. I don't recall such anguish when Sanders said Clinton had to win the support of

 

his BASE herself after the primary. Nor did he help her much in the General IMHO.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:34 AM

36. It would just be returning the favor.

 

What a stupid fucking hateful article. Clinton Derangement Syndromes Exhibit A.
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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:32 AM

38. Great comment

 

I have been holding myself back. Might alert based on the history not kind to Clintons bullshit. Should not be allowed.
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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

40. +1000

 

She is always a target.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:58 AM

37. The claim in the OP is a false-Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat and will support the nominee

 

I suspect that Clinton will work hard to make sure that the nominee is not a weak candidate like sanders but Hillary is a real Democrat and will support the nominee of the party

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

39. Did she say it was his job to win over her supporters from last years General?

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 12:57 PM

41. If I were Hillary I'd record a couple of nice things about Bernie,

 

and then, call it a day.

"Good luck, y'all"
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