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Quixote1818

(28,950 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:17 PM Jan 2020

Not a fan of Joe Rogan but what I find interesting is that Sanders who is so far left

can appeal to someone who previously voted for Johnson. I was skeptical he and Warren could get people in the middle. I thought they would bring out the base and people who didn't used to vote but want their student debt gone or universal HC and distrusted both parties. What seems to have won Rogan over is that Sanders has been consistent his entire career and he seems to trust he will look out for regular folks. I don't think Rogan likes Trump.

Yes Rogan has had major issues and it is good to point those out. However, I have seen him say some very good stuff by ripping Candice Owen to shreds on global warming and Ben Shapiro on his stance on gay marriage etc. I personally have watched a few of his videos over the years and for the most part thought he was somewhat reasonable but with a tendency to allow BS to be taken at face value without doing his homework and questioning some clear BS. I do remember a few videos that had me face palming for sure. However, I wasn't aware of all the controversies that have suddenly shown up here the past couple of days. It's evidently not the kind of endorsement someone should be proud of BUT whether we like it or not we are going to need some of these folks who we don't always see eye to eye with and if for some strange reason they like Sanders because they think he might work for them then that is a good thing, not a bad thing. It doesn't mean changing our values but reaching out to them on the things we do agree on and I think that is what Sanders has done here.

With 7 million followers Rogan is a force with a lot of people who probably don't normally vote for Democrats. His video with Sanders has over 11 million views, 379K likes and only 43K dislikes. I would bet at least a million or two may be considering Sanders over Trump now and that would be a very good thing in the general election period as long as Sanders stays true on the issues that are of concern here with Rogan.

In conclusion, my main take away from all of this is that I was surprised Sanders appeal could be so wide? It makes me more confident he could beat Trump than before. I voted for Hillary a month early last round and will vote a month early for whomever the Democratic nominee is. I will also do my best to bring as many friends as possible out to the polls no matter who gets the nom!


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Not a fan of Joe Rogan but what I find interesting is that Sanders who is so far left (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jan 2020 OP
One person does not a trend make. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #1
Rogan says he's always been progressive. Always voted Democratic except for 2016. betsuni Jan 2020 #2
He supported Ron Paul in 2012. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #4
Not to mention Dopers_Greed Jan 2020 #6
This would be true. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #8
One of my closest friends bought into Ron Paul over weed sweetloukillbot Jan 2020 #10
Yikes. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #13
I dropped him when he started going after some gay friends of mine sweetloukillbot Jan 2020 #14
Maybe Rogan wasn't being exactly honest. betsuni Jan 2020 #7
And yet, people are fully buying his endorsement of Sanders as legitimate and sincere. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #9
And saying all the other candidates wanted to be on his show, Biden & Warren said not true. betsuni Jan 2020 #15
But he's a proven gd Liar so I don't believe him. Cha Jan 2020 #18
I think there is a group in the middle who want someone to be disruptive aikoaiko Jan 2020 #3
I also think there's a group of people that use offensive language and sometimes say things DanTex Jan 2020 #5
There are people who make a living using that offensive language and misogynist jokes. ehrnst Jan 2020 #19
Populists like populists. What's hard to understand about that? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #11
When personalities and ideologies go full circle they collide with each other. showblue22 Jan 2020 #12
IDK if Rogan ids as Libertarian but Apollo Zeus Jan 2020 #16
I think Rogan is a piece of shit. MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #17
I like Rogan but disagree with a lot of what he says. I am not surprised at all he likes Bernie. nt LexVegas Jan 2020 #20
 

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
1. One person does not a trend make.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jan 2020

Particularly someone who makes a living off of attracting attention to himself. Rogan's endorsement has more to do with Rogan than it does with Sanders. Rogan's endorsement of Sanders is representative of nothing other than Rogan.

"I would bet at least a million or two may be considering Sanders over Trump now"

There is zero evidence for that statement. As with most of the assertions about Rogan's endorsement, it's all just wishful thinking.

I'm kind of amazed how many people seem to believe that this is some kind of epiphany and representative of some seismic shift. It's representative of nothing other than a media personality making an endorsement, followed by the weirdest set of justifications for his prior abhorrent behavior that I can recall.

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betsuni

(25,560 posts)
2. Rogan says he's always been progressive. Always voted Democratic except for 2016.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:44 PM
Jan 2020

Just saw that in the Jimmy Dore interview.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
4. He supported Ron Paul in 2012.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jan 2020

"Rogan called Paul "the only guy who is saying anything that makes any sense whatsoever."

https://web.archive.org/web/20131113082502/http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/12/16/joe-rogan-of-fear-factor-endorses-ron-paul

Last I checked, Ron Paul is the exact opposite of progressive. He's one of the most conservative members of Congress in history.

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Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
6. Not to mention
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jan 2020

The exact opposite of "makes any sense whatsoever"

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
8. This would be true.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:58 PM
Jan 2020

A couple of good (and liberal, go figure) friends of mine bought into the Paul hysteria. Drove me nuts.

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sweetloukillbot

(11,038 posts)
10. One of my closest friends bought into Ron Paul over weed
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:20 AM
Jan 2020

Next thing he had bought a bunch of guns, turned far right wing and started spouting racist and homophobic nonsense.

And ironically, he stopped smoking weed.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
13. Yikes.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jan 2020

One of the Paulites became a prepper and moved to Mexico to go "off grid", though it didn't last very long. He discovered that he liked civilization a little more than he thought. I don't have much contact with him anymore, so I don't know if the other Paul-related stuff had any lasting impact.

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sweetloukillbot

(11,038 posts)
14. I dropped him when he started going after some gay friends of mine
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:35 AM
Jan 2020

Now he just occasionally pops up in my FB feed when he's arguing w/ the rest of his family.

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betsuni

(25,560 posts)
7. Maybe Rogan wasn't being exactly honest.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:56 PM
Jan 2020

I've seen comments about him from people who listen to his show that he's all over the place and changes his mind a lot, so maybe the story changes depending on what he feels like that day.

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TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
9. And yet, people are fully buying his endorsement of Sanders as legitimate and sincere.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:02 AM
Jan 2020

Based on his history, I would say there's very little evidence that he is being sincere. Or, to be more accurate, we have no clue whether or not he's sincere. As I've noted elsewhere, I think he did it for attention and it has more to do with Rogan than it does with Sanders.

There's also no guarantee that he votes for the Democratic nominee if it's not Sanders - or even Sanders, for that matter.

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betsuni

(25,560 posts)
15. And saying all the other candidates wanted to be on his show, Biden & Warren said not true.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

That makes the whole thing stranger. Bernie's staff was familiar with him, they should know what he's like. The more I find out the more unlikely it seems that Rogan will support the Democratic nominee. Too bad.

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Cha

(297,378 posts)
18. But he's a proven gd Liar so I don't believe him.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:58 AM
Jan 2020
CNN: Biden & Warren campaigns said they hadn't asked to appear on Rogan's show

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287446665
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aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
3. I think there is a group in the middle who want someone to be disruptive
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:48 PM
Jan 2020

They'll go with Bernie, but if not Bernie then someone else disruptive.

Not all Bernie supporters are looking for disruption, but there is that middle.
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. I also think there's a group of people that use offensive language and sometimes say things
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:53 PM
Jan 2020

that would get you fired from a corporate job, and at the same time think everyone should have healthcare and get paid a decent amount and that we shouldn't be putting kids in cages.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. There are people who make a living using that offensive language and misogynist jokes.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jan 2020

And that doesn't make it less offensive.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
11. Populists like populists. What's hard to understand about that?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:20 AM
Jan 2020

Sanders has a long history of being regressive on guns, protectionist when it comes to trade, skeptical of immigration, an isolationist in foreign policy, and an economic-nationalist. Not to mention being critical of "identity politics."

That he appeals to populists is completely normal.

What's a bigger mystery is why some liberal Democrats are in Sander's camp when he's said dozens of times that he "is not, and has never, been a liberal Democrat."

Support from Joe Rogan is much easier to fathom, in my estimation.





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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
12. When personalities and ideologies go full circle they collide with each other.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jan 2020
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Apollo Zeus

(251 posts)
16. IDK if Rogan ids as Libertarian but
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:33 AM
Jan 2020

that is what fits with his Ron Paul vote, etc.

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MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
17. I think Rogan is a piece of shit.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:55 AM
Jan 2020

However, if he throws his backing to whoever our nominee turns out to be, then okay. If he's one of these purity guys, then fuck him. It's all hands on deck and vote blue no matter who. If Biden is our nominee, then Rogen better come through and campaign for Biden like out lives depend on it, because they do!

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LexVegas

(6,073 posts)
20. I like Rogan but disagree with a lot of what he says. I am not surprised at all he likes Bernie. nt
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jan 2020
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