Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:13 AM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

2 winners tonight: the Republican Party and Joe Biden

Biden was probably going to finish 4th or even 5th, and the resulting narrative would have been devastating.

Meanwhile, the Republican Party must be positively giddy. The Democratic Party looks incompetent and conspiracy theories will lead to people not trusting the process.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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2 winners tonight: the Republican Party and Joe Biden (Original post)	Garrett78	Feb 2020	OP
Makes you wonder	Dream Girl	Feb 2020	#1
Based on what do you think he was 4th or 5th?	scheming daemons	Feb 2020	#2
Anecdotal, but	emmadoggy	Feb 2020	#15
All of your anecdotes, from your own admission, are from the most liberal areas	scheming daemons	Feb 2020	#17
No, sorry, I wasn't very clear.	emmadoggy	Feb 2020	#19
There are well over 1000 sites	Amishman	Feb 2020	#24
Based on campaign statements	sweetloukillbot	Feb 2020	#55
What little info we were getting last night indicated he wasn't going to be top 3.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#59
So Biden wins even when he tanks?	BeyondGeography	Feb 2020	#3
Well of course... it's Joe!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2020	#16
And if Monmouth still has an A rating after this	BeyondGeography	Feb 2020	#18
DMR / Selzer had Biden 4th at 13%	denem	Feb 2020	#30
Up is down, 5 is 1...	Magoo48	Feb 2020	#32
Is the media talking about Biden failing to finish in the top 3? No. Because...	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#38
Sure he is	BeyondGeography	Feb 2020	#45
Which only goes to show how bad he is at this campaigning thing. See my post in that thread.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#47
Nice job trying to tie together Joe Biden and the Republican Party.	OneMoreCupOfCoffee	Feb 2020	#52
It's not about tying them together. It happens that both benefit from what took place.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#57
Van Jones said Biden dodged an anvil falling on his head like Wiley Coyote, holy shit	Baclava	Feb 2020	#4
Van Jones is a fucking idiot, though.	W_HAMILTON	Feb 2020	#5
And a dangerous one at that.	OnDoutside	Feb 2020	#13
lol, i have 2 tee-vees with both of them going, sound off, just captioning	Baclava	Feb 2020	#50
Well, Van Jones would, wouldn't he?	emmaverybo	Feb 2020	#6
Van Jones	DarthDem	Feb 2020	#8
I always think of Van as aa fanboy of	tishaLA	Feb 2020	#20
Sounds About Right	DarthDem	Feb 2020	#48
It's even worse -- I just seem him as a grifter.	W_HAMILTON	Feb 2020	#53
If BIden is 4th	Wabbajack_	Feb 2020	#7
I think Biden is in for the longer haul. He doesn't do devastation that easily and neither do	emmaverybo	Feb 2020	#10
Good	Wabbajack_	Feb 2020	#11
Be careful what you wish for	Kentonio	Feb 2020	#21
Maybe	Wabbajack_	Feb 2020	#36
'08 was pretty brutal, I think the chances of Clinton making him her VP after that were very slim	Kentonio	Feb 2020	#37
It made no sense for him to pick her as VP	Wabbajack_	Feb 2020	#68
And Biden has to be the favorite if we get a contested convention	Amishman	Feb 2020	#25
no.... even 5th doesn't matter	lapfog_1	Feb 2020	#12
Thank You!	sunnybrook	Feb 2020	#33
Of course caucuses should be banned. Of course we shouldn't start with 2 of the whitest states.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#40
You wish.	OneMoreCupOfCoffee	Feb 2020	#54
That's the point. The Iowa fiasco is why it "ain't gonna happen."	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#58
Sounds like advanced excuse making for when Biden bounces back.	OneMoreCupOfCoffee	Feb 2020	#60
Actually, it's glaringly obvious. It's the consensus outside the DU bubble.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#63
Nah. Pete will be fine. Bernie looks like he's finished.	OneMoreCupOfCoffee	Feb 2020	#66
You're not actually addressing the point I'm making.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#67
That's giving way too much value to Iowa, Sanders did the same thing in 16 IMHO	uponit7771	Feb 2020	#65
THANK YOU !!! Also, isn't Pete a neighbor candidate?! I'm leaning more and more towards Biden	uponit7771	Feb 2020	#64
The media has been bashing Biden all week they will just step it up now.	rwheeler31	Feb 2020	#9
I noticed that to especially the past weekend	FloridaBlues	Feb 2020	#28
That's pretty much all they do is Bash Biden. It's very sad. nt	UniteFightBack	Feb 2020	#35
After New Hampshire no one will remember this fiasco. nt	Quixote1818	Feb 2020	#14
That all the talk is about the fiasco is the point. Narrative matters...a lot. See post #40.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#41
You mean	bdamomma	Feb 2020	#22
Iowa and caucuses are the biggest losers.	radius777	Feb 2020	#23
Caucusing is a mess now and always had been.	apcalc	Feb 2020	#26
Have to agree with you.	FloridaBlues	Feb 2020	#29
See post #40.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#44
Not sure if anyone will take Iowa results seriously after this mess	FloridaBlues	Feb 2020	#27
There's a good point to that.	bearsfootball516	Feb 2020	#31
Yeah, anyone denying that this helps Biden is delusional. See post #40.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#43
What the republicans didn't win anything. It just shows that they are desperate.	rockfordfile	Feb 2020	#34
I don't know about that. We already have Trump's campaign manager	totodeinhere	Feb 2020	#39
Yep, and anything that undermines faith in the process benefits Trump and the GOP.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#42
3 winners	Zolorp	Feb 2020	#46
Three: Bloomberg, Sanders, and Trump.	ArtTownsend	Feb 2020	#49
The caucus system is a sham, and discriminates against those with mobility issues, and those	still_one	Feb 2020	#51
For sure, but until something changes...see post #40.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#61
Thanks	still_one	Feb 2020	#62
I would like to see official results.	33taw	Feb 2020	#56

Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:16 AM

Dream Girl (5,111 posts)

1. Makes you wonder

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

2 winners tonight: the Republican Party and Joe Biden

1. Makes you wonder

2. Based on what do you think he was 4th or 5th?

15. Anecdotal, but

17. All of your anecdotes, from your own admission, are from the most liberal areas

19. No, sorry, I wasn't very clear.

24. There are well over 1000 sites

55. Based on campaign statements

59. What little info we were getting last night indicated he wasn't going to be top 3.

3. So Biden wins even when he tanks?

16. Well of course... it's Joe!!

18. And if Monmouth still has an A rating after this

30. DMR / Selzer had Biden 4th at 13%

32. Up is down, 5 is 1...

38. Is the media talking about Biden failing to finish in the top 3? No. Because...

45. Sure he is

47. Which only goes to show how bad he is at this campaigning thing. See my post in that thread.

52. Nice job trying to tie together Joe Biden and the Republican Party.

57. It's not about tying them together. It happens that both benefit from what took place.

4. Van Jones said Biden dodged an anvil falling on his head like Wiley Coyote, holy shit

5. Van Jones is a fucking idiot, though.

13. And a dangerous one at that.

50. lol, i have 2 tee-vees with both of them going, sound off, just captioning

6. Well, Van Jones would, wouldn't he?

8. Van Jones

20. I always think of Van as aa fanboy of

48. Sounds About Right

53. It's even worse -- I just seem him as a grifter.

7. If BIden is 4th

10. I think Biden is in for the longer haul. He doesn't do devastation that easily and neither do

11. Good

21. Be careful what you wish for

36. Maybe

37. '08 was pretty brutal, I think the chances of Clinton making him her VP after that were very slim

68. It made no sense for him to pick her as VP

25. And Biden has to be the favorite if we get a contested convention

12. no.... even 5th doesn't matter

33. Thank You!

40. Of course caucuses should be banned. Of course we shouldn't start with 2 of the whitest states.

54. You wish.

58. That's the point. The Iowa fiasco is why it "ain't gonna happen."

60. Sounds like advanced excuse making for when Biden bounces back.

63. Actually, it's glaringly obvious. It's the consensus outside the DU bubble.

66. Nah. Pete will be fine. Bernie looks like he's finished.

67. You're not actually addressing the point I'm making.

65. That's giving way too much value to Iowa, Sanders did the same thing in 16 IMHO

64. THANK YOU !!! Also, isn't Pete a neighbor candidate?! I'm leaning more and more towards Biden

9. The media has been bashing Biden all week they will just step it up now.

28. I noticed that to especially the past weekend

35. That's pretty much all they do is Bash Biden. It's very sad. nt

14. After New Hampshire no one will remember this fiasco. nt

41. That all the talk is about the fiasco is the point. Narrative matters...a lot. See post #40.

22. You mean

23. Iowa and caucuses are the biggest losers.

26. Caucusing is a mess now and always had been.

29. Have to agree with you.

44. See post #40.

27. Not sure if anyone will take Iowa results seriously after this mess

31. There's a good point to that.

43. Yeah, anyone denying that this helps Biden is delusional. See post #40.

34. What the republicans didn't win anything. It just shows that they are desperate.

39. I don't know about that. We already have Trump's campaign manager

42. Yep, and anything that undermines faith in the process benefits Trump and the GOP.

46. 3 winners

49. Three: Bloomberg, Sanders, and Trump.

51. The caucus system is a sham, and discriminates against those with mobility issues, and those

61. For sure, but until something changes...see post #40.

62. Thanks

56. I would like to see official results.