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Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:40 AM

 

Wow. Buttigieg makes my heart hurt with joy.

Man, the last couple of days have been a rollercoaster of emotions. Born in the very early 70's, and coming of age and developing in the 80's in the rural southern community of Breaux Bridge (pronounced "bro", Louisiana.. I remember the bitter, depressed, sometimes suicidal, angry, self-loathing teenager that was me.. One that shamefully held close those feelings inside me.. those feelings that made me a "pervert", a "sinner", "disgusting".. feelings that made me into a less than human creature whose descriptors were all used as the most vile of insults that could be hurled at people you disliked.

I so wish I could go back in time and tell that tortured youth that.. it's going to be alright. That in his lifetime he will see his sexuality grow to be accepted. That the act of sex itself will soon no longer be a crime. That HIV isn't and will stop being viewed by the majority as just punishment from god. That serving openly and honorable in the military will become reality. That within his very own lifetime gay marriage would be legalized. and that someday an openly gay, legally married man, a veteran that actually served openly and honorably, would run for president for one of the 2 major parties, and actually come out in the first contest on or extremely near the top!!!...

Even if Mayor Pete Buttigieg doesn't go any further, this IS an incredible victory soooo worth much celebration! even if it was only 62% reporting yesterday, and now just a bit more.. This matters, and it is beautiful to behold.

LOVE YOU PETE! THANK YOU!!!


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Reply Wow. Buttigieg makes my heart hurt with joy. (Original post)
Amimnoch Feb 2020 OP
samnsara Feb 2020 #1
bhikkhu Feb 2020 #29
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #2
Amimnoch Feb 2020 #4
milestogo Feb 2020 #9
grantcart Feb 2020 #18
CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #22
Nikki28 Feb 2020 #10
AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #16
CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #24
PandoraAwakened Feb 2020 #38
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #37
AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #39
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #36
radical noodle Feb 2020 #28
OnlinePoker Feb 2020 #40
radical noodle Feb 2020 #41
TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #30
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #3
genxlib Feb 2020 #5
Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #14
Glorfindel Feb 2020 #6
donkeypoofed Feb 2020 #7
mainstreetonce Feb 2020 #8
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #43
dsc Feb 2020 #11
Cosmocat Feb 2020 #12
CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #25
Cosmocat Feb 2020 #31
CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #32
Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #13
Politicub Feb 2020 #15
Pisces Feb 2020 #17
Amimnoch Feb 2020 #27
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #44
bobGandolf Feb 2020 #45
denem Feb 2020 #19
grantcart Feb 2020 #20
bullwinkle428 Feb 2020 #33
Chakaconcarne Feb 2020 #21
CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #26
radical noodle Feb 2020 #42
IronLionZion Feb 2020 #23
William769 Feb 2020 #34
OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #35

Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:43 AM

1. i like him too... hes so damned smart! I just wish he had more foreign policy experience..

 

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:40 AM

29. "Buttigieg's foreign policy might be his key to success"

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/16/buttigiegs-foreign-policy-might-be-key-his-success/

He served, was a naval intelligence officer, and has the backing of "more than 200 national security and foreign policy officials who endorsed his candidacy".

So I'm not worried about that part. I'm not entirely on the bandwagon just because we have so many really good candidates; he's one of about five I think we'd be in really good shape with if they won the primary race.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:44 AM

2. I really like him!

 

Unfortunately, I think his being gay will hurt him. I would love to think differently.
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Response to bobGandolf (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:46 AM

4. Same, honestly, I didn't think he'd even start out this strong.

 

Sometimes being wrong is an incredibly beautiful thing.
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Response to bobGandolf (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:55 AM

9. That's what I thought about Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin, but

 

she is my Senator now.

She was my congressional rep for 12 years - representing the Madison area, which is very liberal. But Wisconsin has a lot of right wingers. I didn't think she could possibly win a statewide race, but thankfully I WAS WRONG!
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Response to milestogo (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:38 AM

18. How about AZ electing an openly bisexual Senator

 

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Response to milestogo (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:46 AM

22. Luckily, the truth came out about Thompson cooking the State's books.

 

His campaign against Sen. Baldwin was ugly. The biggest dogwhistle was the ad showing Nancy Pelosi's image with the voice saying "we don't need SAN FRANCISCO politics here in Wisconsin." I knew what it was saying and so did the bigots who were voting for Tommy anyway.

Of course it was Spivak and Bice from the Journal-Sentinel who exposed the deficit that Thompson/McCallum left behind. After way too many terms as governor, voters had Thompson fatigue. Having a mini scandal on top of it put a stake in the heart of his campaign. They never mentioned his mistress, however.

When Tommy ran for president, he didn't make it past neighboring Iowa. He finished 4th out of 6.

Luckily, Baldwin ran in 2018 against Leah Vukmir, the Michele Bachmann of Wisconsin. In 2024, it might be against Snotty Wanker.
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Response to bobGandolf (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 09:04 AM

10. that is what

 

I was saying yesterday. He would be a good president, but his preference is what I think will do him in. Had he married a woman, I would feel differently. That said, we never thought we would see a black president and we got one of the best in Obama,so anything is possible. He will go through a brutal in GE because of how cruel the cult of Trump and the king himself. Not that he can't handle it with his intelligence, I would be fearing for his life more than I did Obama.I love Pete and love to hear him speaking. Maybe if the Dems decided to get behind him,we can weather this storm. We will be fighting on all fronts from all forms of government and Russia and whatever country Rump ask for help and the traitors Reb.
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Response to Nikki28 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:36 AM

16. wrong

 

His sexual orientation would energize dems as no one else in this race. Just thinking that we could have a first man in the white house is beyond inspiring. He is the most charismatic candidate we have and by far the most intelligent, a Rhodes scholar.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:52 AM

24. James Buchanan brought his partner of 28 years to the White House.

 

Behind the scenes, the press referred to him as the "First Gentleman". But, like not showing FDR's wheelchair, they respected the office and nobody in the populace knew for over 100 years.

Buchanan didn't destroy the nation, so (to paraphrase John Lennon) Give Pete a chance.
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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:59 AM

38. +1000 for history! n/t

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:42 AM

37. Just not sure...

 

if our country as a whole is ready to accept his sexual orientation. Lord knows Republican Southern Baptists, priests, ministers, etc. would be all over him as a sinner.
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Response to bobGandolf (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:48 PM

39. we won't get the south anyway

 

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Response to Nikki28 (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:36 PM

36. I have the same concern.

 

I think maybe he would help the ticket if he was to be picked/offered the vp candidate.
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Response to bobGandolf (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

28. The people who wouldn't vote for him because he's gay

 

would vote for trump anyway. I said this earlier today in another thread and will repeat it here...

I think we forget that a lot of folks who 20 or 30 years ago would never have voted for a gay man or woman now have had to come to terms with the fact that they have friends and family members they love who are gay. In the past, they could pretend it wasn't true because so many stayed in the closet, but I've seen firsthand how the knowledge that their own loved ones are gay changed their feelings dramatically. I no longer think it's a deal-breaker the way it would have been a couple of decades ago.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:07 PM

40. In Iowa, at least one caucus attendee changed her vote from him when she found out he was gay.

 

I think this will be a real challenge among Democrats in the bible belt and could be one of the reasons he's polling so poorly in South Carolina.
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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:28 PM

41. Well, I wonder if she was a plant

 

He'd been in Iowa for a year, with his husband, and openly gay. He traveled all over the state. I tend to think this was more like someone's idea of a dirty trick. In addition, his answer to her was amazing so there's that.

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Response to bobGandolf (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:10 PM

30. If Pete just runs as a Democratic candidate first

 

And doesn't play identity politics with being gay, I think he will be okay.

That's one of the reasons Obama did better than Hillary among white working class voters I think. He didn't play up that being the 1st African American President should be a reason that people should vote for him.
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Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:46 AM

5. That is a great thing

 

While it isn't as personal for me, I do feel a lot of pride that we are moving forward in that regard.

I don't think it is his time but I really like him. The great thing is he should have 40 more years to grow and serve.

I hope he comes away with an important position in the very near future so he can stay in the public eye and get more on his resume at the national level.

I have heard many Cabinet positions floated as possibilities and would support him in any of them. One thing I have not seen mentioned that I would seriously consider is Chief of Staff. I would love to have that calm cool intellect on my side in a crisis.
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Response to genxlib (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 AM

14. Yes, same here.

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:47 AM

6. I share your joy, my dear Amimnoch

 

and much of your history, though I'm a generation older than you. Thank you for such a heartfelt, joyous, and well-written post.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:50 AM

7. Don't think Pete "served openly"; didn't come out till after

 

I distinctly remember when Mayor Pete said he came out after returning home from Afghanistan.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:50 AM

8. Some are born to lead

 

It is literally a miracle that this young man has found the American spotlight.
I'm old and straight and he is not my first choice,but I am thrilled with his Iowa victory.
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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 05:24 AM

43. Good for you!

 

Nice to see a post like this.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 09:12 AM

11. amen we are close in age

 

I was born late 67. I never thought he would get this far and am honestly amazed he has. Growing up knowing I was 'different' and eventually putting a name on that difference was tough at time. I will be 20 years sober in April obviously one doesn't count sobriety if drinking went well.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 09:20 AM

12. My approach has been to support him and let the chips fall where they fall

 

I fought it for about a while after he announced, but after going out and watching a few of his videos, he got on my radar and I paid attention, and it was clear he was special. Despite really not wanting to just not have "my candidate" I committed to him sometime last summer.

Who knows if he makes it or not, this country simply is stupid as fuck.

But, he is right on the issues, goes at the real problem with Rs, and has the presence.

Just gotta see how it plays out.
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:58 AM

25. What will Trump attack during the debates?

 

So far, we haven't heard one degrading adjective/nickname about Mayor Pete. This is his first victory, so wait and see.
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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:17 PM

31. He hit him with Alfred E. Newman

 

I think has taken a few other shots, but mostly he has other targets he is more focused on.

But, Pete, as with ANY D is going to face some serious bullshit not just from the idiot, but the republicans and their conservative attack dogs, and the feckless media hellbent on slavishly advancing republican attacks to be "unbiased."
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:43 PM

32. We'll have to see if Pete becomes a major target. This is after one victory.

 

Trump was blackmailing Ukraine over Biden and Uncle Joe didn't do so hot. It was too early to go all-in on one candidate.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:15 AM

13. That's a wonderful, heartfelt story. Being gay doesn't mean he'd be a good president though.

 

I certainly hope that's not the only reason you adore him.
While inspiring he's where he is, not good enough.

Tell me more about why he's our best choice and leave his sexuality out of it.
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Response to Claritie Pixie (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:33 AM

15. Being out is a political act.

 

Don’t you dare push him back into a closet because of his “sexuality.”
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Response to Claritie Pixie (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:37 AM

17. His being gay is the least interesting thing about him. He is smart and gave the best late term

 

Abortion answer on (Fox no less) that I have ever heard even from the female candidates. He is steady and authentic. It shines through. He is also one of the few candidates that has not changed his position on health care, etc. He has said things that have not been the most popular, he also doesn’t wait to poll test his every answer. He is a moderate which I feel appeals to many. I think he’s youth is what most people will hold against him. I love Buttigieg every time I hear him speak. I am a person who wants the most electable candidate that has the best chance of beating Trump. He has to go. I would proudly vote for Buttigieg if he is the nominee.
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Response to Claritie Pixie (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

27. lol, really?? That's a pathetic approach.

 

When President Obama ran, or for Senators Booker or Harris, were you likewise telling people:

"Being black doesn't mean he'd be a good president though."

Or Hillary supporters, or your own declared candidate Senator Warren:
"Being female doesn't mean she'd be a good president though."

Pretty sad you don't find any inspiration at all in social progress. Rather pathetic actually.

Don't bother with the reply.. off to block you go.
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Response to Claritie Pixie (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 05:31 AM

44. Whoa, being gay has nothing to do.

 

Try listening to him speak for gods sake. Watch him think and answer on his toes. His intelligence, honesty, compassion, and an outside the box thinker.....I could go on, but you need to spend the time to learn about him.
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Response to Claritie Pixie (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 05:37 AM

45. Whoa, being gay has nothinjg to do with it...

 

Try listening to him speak for gods sake. Watch him think and answer on his toes. His intelligence, honesty, compassion, and an outside the box thinker.....I could go on, but you need to spend the time to learn about him.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:39 AM

19. Even if Pete does not win another contest this time around

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:40 AM

20. He may not make it this time but he will be President one day

 

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Response to grantcart (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:47 PM

33. I completely agree with this, assuming we survive the Needy Amin regime.

 

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Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:45 AM

21. he's a solid candidate..

 

our best chance to win imo.

the GOP will have a tough time pushing a narrative on him.... the others they can have a field day with.

and he is in stark contrast to trump... good vs evil. smart vs dumb. young vs old.....etc.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:00 AM

26. And veteran vs. bone spurs.

 

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:40 PM

42. That's my take on it.

 

Also calm vs volatile. Measured vs erratic. Thoughtful vs irrational.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:47 AM

23. Iowa caucuses level the playing field for people like Mayor Pete

 

because of the grass roots campaigning and meeting directly with as many voters as possible. And having passionate supporters convince others to vote for their candidate. It worked for Obama in 2008.

Larger states would give the advantage to candidates with a lot of financing and establishment support.

Mayor Pete is good people. I hope he has a bright future ahead.
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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:49 PM

34. Kick & recommended.

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:56 PM

35. I celebrated Mayor Pete's win in Iowa right along side you.

 

And I understand what this win meant to him and to many millions of my fellow Americans.

Thank you for sharing your stories. I stand with you!

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