Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWarren its time to say goodbye
I love you & your policies but staying in the race at this point is not for the American people it is for yourself.
A 3rd place finish in Iowa then losing more ground and finishing 4th with 9% in NH, a neighboring state to your home state.
Currently polling at 3rd or 4th in Nevada & 4th in South Carolina. There is no state on the map that the campaign can point to and say they will win. There is no road to victory at this point.
This only hurts you politically. You will be taking up space on the debate stage for candidates that still have a chance to win.
I would be making the same case for Joe but he is currently ahead in South Carolina & Nevada. He is also in top 2 in national polling. There is a path to winning the nomination. I would actually say a strong one. If he wins Nevada and South Carolina you will hear all the "comeback kid" talk and he will have lots of momentum.
But nobody can look at what has happen and look at the numbers for future states and make a case that Warren has any shot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pwb
(11,261 posts)Thank you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Liz Warren should be treasured and appreciated for what she is - a female leader who's not afraid to speak up and speak out. She gets it, she's walking the walk. I love Liz but I don't see her as our Party's nominee this year. I hate the way Hillary was treated by the Repukes 4 years ago, and I don't want to see the same bad behavior against Liz this year.
I believe Liz will bow out in another month (maybe) but I don't want her to give up the fight against the Repukes. There's too much at stake this year.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
She_Totally_Gets_It
(142 posts)Democratic senator possible. Even if she were taken out as a VP candidate and replaced with a female senator, it's not the same. We need HER voice in the Senate. The Orange Asshole is getting ready to go after entitlements and the student loan forgiveness program. We need her in the Senate to help stop him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DumpTrump20202020
(109 posts)Would she accept it, though? I hope she would.
As John Nance Gardner once said, "Vice-President is not worth a bucket of warm piss"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
we can do it
(12,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Deserves its own thread. There's way too much premature grave dancing for my tastes this morning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Stay on as long as you can Liz.
You are the last woman running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redwitch
(14,944 posts)Still running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)"Were staying in this fight for the people who are counting on us"
This isn't about people counting on her - its about being honest of the situation.
I like Warren and to me its sad. Its sad seeing lots of these candidates drop out because I like so many. I liked Harris a lot. Booker. Yeah it stinks but its how it works.
Sticking around is not the honorable thing to do and it hurts the party. We need to start coming together on one candidate and having people hang on that have no shot just muddies the water.
My son was upset Yang dropped out. That was his guy.
I will call for Pete to drop out if he does not preform well in SC & Nevada and Super Tuesday looks bleak. Same with Amy. The field needs to narrow.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)I have, and I would be pissed as hell if she bailed after two states that dont look like America or our party. She has a great message for POC, particularly women of color. She can and will be heard. Now kindly move on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Beautifully stated, and 100% agree.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Citation needed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
delisen
(6,043 posts)Unfortunately one must be pragmatic. We have no way of knowing Sanders health status and he had a very recent heart attack.
He and Warren have some overlap in education and health care delivery. Should Sanders have to drop out due to health, the people wanting those initiatives would be without a standard bearer weeks in advance of Super Tuesday.
I. think t would be irresponsible for Warren to leave now for other than financial reasons
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)Statistics show that the mean life expectancy after a heart attack for a man over 75 years old, is 3.1 years. This is very important data to consider when choosing a candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,052 posts)than mr turn the page and let the corrupt off the hook again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Easy to give a pass to recent history, when you haven't actually lived it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Seriously, why would anyone let him off the hook? I know who, but "moving on" isn't going to keep it from happening again and again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunasun
(21,646 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)I like her and her message.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sunflowerseed
(273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bloom
(11,635 posts)Now Biden - he, should be ready to quit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Biden at least still has his must-win state ahead of him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Lilly white states, one with a wacko system.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mysteryowl
(7,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mars and Minerva
(369 posts)I have watched it happen but I still don't get it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)That is what happened.
And tells it like it is.
Like Hillary.
Many people don't like either of those things in pols, because many people, including liberals, are pretty sexist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,095 posts)or torn down by the media.
But, hey, we'll be back to a field of all white men if Amy and Elizabeth drop out, which is what the media prefers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)She is in the same lane as Bernie and Bernie just had a loyal base.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mars and Minerva
(369 posts)and it's working. I wonder if it will keep working.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that having female plumbing hurt Amy in NH.
Here's the difference between Klobuchar and Warren, Amy comes off as genuine. Her last debate performance was stunning, she went beyond the rehearsed one-liners that were nervously delivered to exuding real empathy, especially with her closing statement.
Warren got taken down by her response to the guy she dismissed over having saved to pay for his child's college education, it was not empathetic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)No one has blown this out of the water.. no one.. hang in there E. Warren.. do not move a finger till after Super Tuesday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Liberal In Texas
(13,548 posts)2 small states and she's out?
I hope she waits until after Super Tuesday to decide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)of the Democratic party constituency. And Iowa was a clown show as most caucuses are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
renate
(13,776 posts)I don't understand why New Hampshire gets to put it in state law that they get to be first. It's like they declared themselves Boss of Everyone and everyone just goes "oh, okay." Just because they want to go first doesn't mean all the other states and territories should have to just go along with that BS.
They're a small, white state. Completely unrepresentative of the country. Yet after a year of campaigning and investment, political fortunes rise and fall overnight there and in Iowa. Really?
With the eyes of the world on us, and with all this sturm und drang about the Democratic results in two completely unrepresentative and not even necessarily blue states, America's election system just keeps looking stupider and stupider.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,340 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,339 posts)I think Senator Harris left too early, and if she had stayed in maybe she would be sitting where Senator Klobuchar is now.
After Super Tuesday we will all have time to play the drop-out game. Hell, maybe it will be Pete's turn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Yeah, didn't think so. Only the woman should.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denem
(11,045 posts)which threw millions of Americans out of their homes during the Great Recession.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)It has always been a strong one for Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
denem
(11,045 posts)After Biden's spiteful attack on Pete this weekend, poison pill ads are on the table IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mars and Minerva
(369 posts)Her peeps went back to Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denem
(11,045 posts)Biden is pandering / enabling Sanders. That's what I care about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... and the really unpredictable nature of Buttigieg in SC, I think it would be really early for her to drop out. As she pointed out, she's the only one who draws from both the moderate and progressive side of the party. Let's watch SC and Nevada. Maybe it will be Warren and Bloomberg and Klobuchar and Warren will be the uniter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)I am a big believer in Warren, but her missteps and the lack of a progressive wave have closed the door for her.
Sanders is not realistic to me. Biden has failed to show he can build a competitive machine in two presidential runs so far.
So I'm happy with Pete or Amy now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FM123
(10,053 posts)Yes, she is only in third place of winning total delegates overall from IA and NH - BUT 98% of the delegates that play in this have not yet been awarded, those states haven't even voted yet so it is too soon to say goodbye.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)or by lunch today, so everyone can enjoy their meal
Fuck that shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(9,417 posts)Sometimes the whiny little nerd mentality around here saddens me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)... I hope Elizabeth stays in and considers a revision. The worst was not doing better in a state very near her base - a neighboring state. I thought she "won" the battle over the "woman can't be president" comment and I was wrong... he went up and she went down. At first, i couldn't understand it, but I think it may be because she dropped the issue too easily... I thought that was good at the time, but maybe she should have been stronger about that issue... my first favorite was Kamala with Elizabeth not far behind. I hope she considers a new approach and gets another look. She has been counted out before... I'd like to see her consider what has happened and how she might revise and continue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Try again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)After the Nevada and South Carolina primaries, only 4.6% of the delegates will be determined.
How about letting a few more voters have a chance to weigh in with their opinion before we go there, shall we?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)So yeah, a bit pre-mature.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Disproportionate attention to a statistically absurdly low sample of voters who aren't demographically representative of the country as a whole, and their choices dictate who is left when voters in my state get to have a say.
I honestly cannot remember a primary when my first choice candidate made it to my state's primary day. Ever. I've lived in five states since turning 18, and I'm 51. Have never been able to cast a vote for my preferred Democratic candidate. That's sick.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)And yes it does help candidates in certain situations.
It really doesn't do much for a quick decision on the nominee though...
But, for the record, I have moved myself to undecided as I don't feel that Warren will be a factor in the Texas primary...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But I'm certain you'll continue the pretense of prophecy. Gotta love faith-based politics...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nsd
(2,406 posts)IA and NH don't represent the whole of America (in more ways than one). Warren is a serious candidate, with extensive experience, thorough policy positions, and a national organization. Without putting too fine a point on it, let me just note that the same cannot be said of all the candidates who did well in IA and NH.
I don't know how to fix the primary system, but letting IA and NH pick their flavor of the month and forcing the rest of the country to narrow their choices accordingly is ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,052 posts)She planned PAST Iowa and N.H.
She is also the best warrior against corruption in the race. Why silence that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)explain where the path to the nomination is?
Its real absurd? Lets just muddy the field so there is no clear winner - that will do the party a lot of justice
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)IF you want us to stay together after the primaries, THIS is not the way to do it. Staying in the race is the whole point of a primary. The winner gets decided on the last day. Why risk offending Elizabeth Warren supporters?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Unless a candidate has completely run out of money there's no reason why they shouldn't stay in through Super Tuesday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Srkdqltr
(6,276 posts)She is no fool.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pattyloutwo
(279 posts)End corruption in Washington. Stay in, Elizabeth!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baclava
(12,047 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,040 posts)primary. I'd rather Elizabeth than Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
philf99
(238 posts)My speculation is she needs to finish ahead of Bernie in Nevada.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)She needs to go after Sanders at the debate.
Or she will never finish ahead of him in NV.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rurallib
(62,411 posts)Warren needs to stay.
But thanks for your concern.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadLinguist
(790 posts)Normally I don't enter into the fray RE primaries, but this is stanque-stirring at its worst. Why don't you look at numbers in history? Or better yet, just canvas for your candidate instead of trashing other ones? There's work to do, 3623! Be for real
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nini
(16,672 posts)IF we start doing crowning a nominee this fast we are doomed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)explain what state in the future she will win and explain her path to the nomination?
She got 9% in her neighboring state. She isnt higher than 3rd in polling in any of the the states through super Tuesday
None of this means she isn't awesome and her ideas are not great.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I wouldn't expect her to drop out before then. She's run some ads in SC, but I would expect her to cut back on them, a week's worth of TV viewing might confirm that for me. Her chances of picking up delegates on Super Tuesday are better than her chances in SC, presuming she survives Nevada.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,381 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Biden is in serious trouble, but he at least still has his must-win state ahead of him.
Honestly, it's hard to see where Buttigieg and Klobuchar are likely to win. Neither has much support among POC and they, as underdogs, put all their resources in the early states.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)This place is pretty nutty to be honest. Entertaining, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StevieM
(10,500 posts)She took 3rd place, which is respectable. But she needed to follow that up by at least taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Instead she came in a distant 4th place. And that pretty much finished off her campaign.
I think she will take a shot at pulling off an upset in Nevada and then leave the race if she doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)"newbies" with posts that diss Warren really make me wonder.
You can support your candidate without dissing mine. You diss mine at your own candidate's peril.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Neither of them have any chance of winning or coming in second in NV or SC and then Bloomberg arrives on Super Tuesday to push them even further down the ladder.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)Pete has won a state and almost upset Bernie in NH coming in a close 2nd. So he should move on to the next round. But if he fails to keep doing good after SC and polling on Super Tuesday looks bleak I 100% agree with you. He should step down
I sort of think Amy should now but she is carrying momentum with the media so she should probably play out the next 2 states. I never knew a distance 3rd place finish you get treated like you won.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Different standards for different candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)She is wildly popular among millions and millions of Americans who have followed her for many years. She lost two races in small states where white people predominate.
She has a lot of latino and black supporters, as well as white women, and the college educated, as well as poor people everywhere who know smart women can change the world.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samir.g
(835 posts)Fuck that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sylvarose
(210 posts)After two states you want her to drop out? You know this is a CLASSIC example of why states like my, IN, get SCREWED by this primary system. Sometimes by the time we get to vote, the candidate we really like has already dropped out because of the "Iowa," "New Hampshire," and "Super Tuesday" turnouts! There should be a national primary day, winner takes all.
For the record, while the rest of my family and many of my friends may have Mayor Pete as their first choice, he isn't mine and I would really like the opportunity to vote mine.
Finally, my disclaimer, I will do in this election as I did in 2016 for this election, when I did vote for Bernie in the primary and backed Hillary to the end once she was the nominee. While I will not vote for in the 2020 primary for Bernie, if he gets the nomination I will enthusiastically support and vote for them.
I urge everyone to do this same. Vote for who you love in the primary (or who you dislike least..don't care) but for all that's dear vote Democratic straight ticket in the election. Do not sit home and do not vote 3rd party.
SR
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided