How come black leaders are now saying...

[Duppers]

they're supporting Boomberg?

Congressional Black caucus spokesman, Gregory Meeks, was just on Chris Matthews saying this. Joy Reid has said this. Jason Johnson, political editor of The Root, has said this. They are reporting that PoC are moving to support Bloomberg.

Yet we DUers will feel we cannot "dirty" ourselves with Bloomberg; we hate billionaires and cannot accept Bloomberg's reasoning, apology, or offer of help.




Read what prognosticator Prof.
Rachel Bitecofer predicts (she got the last few elections right) if we go with MY former first choice, Bernie Sanders:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287506841

[Squinch]

1. Because black voters are generally a lot more pragmatic than DU.

[mcar]

5. Yep

[brush]

21. Correct. We're canaries in the coal mine. Observe and do what we do.

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We know disaster when we sense it. And that would be another four years for trump. If Biden doesn't recover after SC, Bloomberg it is as he will have the best chance to beat the orange ogre.

[Squinch]

23. Seriously, that is exactly what I plan to do this cycle. If it looks like black voters

will go for Bloomberg, I'm all in. If not, I'll watch and see who they do back.

[yardwork]

64. This is exactly what I do.

African American voters save this country over and over again.

[PunkinPi]

66. +1 nt

[ismnotwasm]

24. Yes...

[DinahMoeHum]

29. +1000s

n/t

[applegrove]

35. They know what this country could become if left to all the white men

with personailty disorders coagulating instead of real leadership at the top. A real leader should make each american better inside themselves and in their actions, not better off by debasing some 'other'. African Americans know what that movie looks like because it wasn't a movie for them. They've been in vulnerable positions to certain types of sadistic people over the last 5 centuries as sadists are attracked to those who are perceived to be in a weak position.

[PunkinPi]

68. Absolutely, and not only pragmatic, well informed. As I mentioned in another post...

they don't necessarily have the luxury of voting on purity, especially when the goal is to rid the country of Trump.
(link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=501022)

[berni_mccoy]

76. This.

[lynintenn]

2. It's about beating trump.

[Duppers]

6. And we need to fight in any way we can.

[bluewater]

3. Are People of Color moving from Biden to support Bloomberg?

"They are reporting that PoC are moving to support Bloomberg."

Is that an actual trend?

[Kaleva]

11. Biden's support is dropping while Bloomberg's is growing

"The poll asked Democratic respondents and those who lean-Democratic for whom they would vote if the Democratic presidential primary were held that day. In the most recent iteration of the poll, 27 percent of African Americans who responded to this question answered that Biden would be their first choice. While that percentage revealed that Biden is still the top choice for black voters, it reflects a steep drop in support.

In the previous national Quinnipiac poll, whose results were released on January 28, a full 49 percent of black respondents said he would be their first choice to represent the Democrats in the general election against President Donald Trump. Thus, as Mitchell said, there was a 22 percent drop in support for Biden among African Americans in a month.

As Mitchell said, support for billionaire businessman and former New York Mayor Bloomberg among African Americans has increased sharply, from just 7 percent in January's Quinnipiac poll to 22 percent in the one released Tuesday. That puts Bloomberg—who has received criticism in the past for his stop-and-frisk policy, which some say unfairly targeted blacks—second in African American support behind Biden."

https://www.newsweek.com/nbc-news-correspondent-says-biden-beginning-have-that-feeling-loser-after-sinking-african-1486784

[uponit7771]

32. One outlier poll does not make a trend and Bloomberg has not apologized

... for racial profiling just a tactic of stop-and-frisk

[Blue_true]

41. If Biden doesn't do well in Nevada, he isn't going to get African Anerican support in

South Carolina. It is make or break time for him. I doubt that AA stay with him if he is clearly leaking fuel.

[Polly Hennessey]

4. I'm ok with Bloomberg, if he is our nominee.

He can take the tRump hits and punch
back where it hurts. Again, I will vote for our nominee no matter who it is.

[Ferrets are Cool]

7. #1 DU is not representative of America

#2 They are probably seeing the same ads I am...the ones hitting orangeanus HARD. And they like that tactic.

[left-of-center2012]

8. Bloomberg has repeatedly apologized for "Stop and Frisk"

Yet I see posts saying:

"He hasn't apologized often enough"

"He didn't apologize in the correct way"

Are we nominating a saint
or someone who can defeat Trump?

[Perseus]

15. "Are we nominating a saint..." - Excellent, I am still laughing

Correct, we are at a crossroads where the main goal has become getting rid of all the rats in the administration.

[Duppers]

16. Exactly, Left, exactly!

I've repeatedly said, my one objective is getting this lying, treasonous, p.o.s. out of our WH.

[Amimnoch]

22. We're not picking a "spouse" we're picking a "bus".

Too damn many look at the candidate they support the same way they'd look for a spouse.. ticks off all the boxes, is the perfect compliment and fit to what they want.

That's a shit way to pick a candidate..

Look at it like you're picking a bus.. you pick the one that will actually get you to where you want to go.

Wish I could remember which comedian said this.. Would love to cite and give credit. So true. Think it may have been on Bill Maher.

[Squinch]

26. That's a great analogy.

[DinahMoeHum]

33. And if no bus takes you exactly and directly to where you want. . .

. . .then you choose the bus that will get you the closest to your destination.

[uponit7771]

31. Bloomberg has not apologized for racial profiling

[BlueIdaho]

37. Let me suggest that's not a deal breaker.

I could be wrong (and I often am) but I’m willing to bet there are loads of Democrats, Independents, and even a few former Republicans that just aren't going to hold that against him - if he can beat Trump.

[brush]

57. Gouliani was the NYC mayor who started Stop and frisk, not Bloomberg.

[BlueIdaho]

58. THAT I did not know...

Thank You.

[uponit7771]

62. Bloomberg is the one who escalated it to 700,000 a year

[uponit7771]

61. I'm black,, I would !!! wtf people. Racial profiling is so hurtful to communities

[yardwork]

65. I understand your feelings about this.

As a woman I feel discouraged that female candidates never seem to get enough support to win the presidency. We have thoughtful, intelligent, strong, decent women running for president and they're not winning a lot of support.

The goal is to defeat Trump. Bloomberg is a highly flawed individual, but if people feel he can defeat Trump they will support him.

[Blue_true]

43. If Black people are increasingly supporting him, who are you to say they are wrong?

They see things happening in their communities. If on balance they support Bloomberg, so it is.

[uponit7771]

63. There is no aggregate of polls showing black people are supporting Bloomberg

There's one outlier poll that the MSM and Bloomberg are highlighting.

I am black I know black people don't support Bloomberg's take on racial profiling

[Blue_true]

72. Time will tell. nt

[Blue_true]

42. Has Bernie apologized for his past gun votes?

Bernie has been in Congress for 30 years, in most of those years he was stoutly pro-gun and pro gun manufacturer. An average of 35,000 people died from gun violence. Has Bernie apologized to the families of people that would have loved lives had Bernie supported rational gun laws during most of his career in Washington?

[RandySF]

9. They want to win

And let’s be honest, our guy is not doing well right now.

[Blue_true]

44. I believe that if Biden doesn't win Nevada or finish close,

his AA suport in South Carolina is gone, likely to Bloomberg.

[emmaverybo]

60. Bloomberg has already cut into Biden's AA support in S.C.

[Blue_true]

73. I believe that if Joe does poorly in Nevada, all that support is gone.

I read an article about Joe's appearance on The View today, it was not a good write up. I contribute to Joe and will continue to do so as long as he stays in the race, but he seems to not be fully into this and I am concerned about that.

[emmaverybo]

78. There's a thread here with clips and the OP praised his and Jill's appearance. Does not surprise

me there’s a bad write-up of it.

[Laelth]

10. Beating Trump matters more than anything else--to ALL Democrats.

Some guy who's got $50+ billion and who is willing to spend it fighting the good fight is both impossible to ignore and hard to resist.

-Laelth

[Perseus]

14. Very well said

100% with you. And I like the fact that yesterday he told trump that even if he is not in the ballot he is going to do everything in his power to take him out of office.

[Laelth]

18. That's not the first time he has said it.

Nor will it be the last, and I love it every single time he says it. Love him or hate him, he's a serious fighter, and Democrats want that right now. And you know he gets under the skin of the Great Pumpkin. That is also delicious.

-Laelth

[cwydro]

20. "The Great Pumpkin!"

I love it!

[rzemanfl]

27. I think he prefers "The All Powerful Great Pumpkin." n/t

[Laelth]

28. Yes. I suspect he does. n/t

-Laelth

[Baked Potato]

77. Yep! Agreed.

[choie]

12. and where do they get that info from?

n/t

[Duppers]

17. Write to them and ask.

They're on Twitter.

[Perseus]

13. I am a DUer and I don't hate billionaires, I actually don't hate anyone

Bloomberg is a self-made billionaire, I admire that. Mark Cuban is a self-made billionaire, why would that not be admired?

trump is not a billionaire, he is just a bag of crap, a horrible person, but even if he was a billionaire I would not associate my dislike for him to his money. I think that once the con is out of office that whatever money he owes will bring him to total ruin.

Anyway, I feel that many groups are in for the WIN, and they are not vetting very carefully who they support, it seems to be more now who they feel can beat the creature and throw him our of office.

[rzemanfl]

30. You don't hate Drumpf? Moscow Mitch? Barr?

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If you need some extra hate, I have more than I need.

[mr_lebowski]

55. Would you say that you have a PLETHORA? (nt)

[rzemanfl]

69. Yes, a shitload. n/t

[cwydro]

19. It really doesn't matter what we think here.

I know many here like to think we’re super important, but no.

[brush]

82. IMO we do reflect the general consensus of Dems nationwide though.

[Skya Rhen]

25. How come some of his constituents are disgusted by his endorsement?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Stellar]

34. Please. That'll change...

as soon as they learn about his record and horrible things he did to our community.

[Blue_true]

45. What about Sabders' history of pro-gun votes?

Over 1 million people have died during Sanders 30 years in Washington. Gun violence takes a horrid toll in a lot of Black communities. Why do you think Bloomberg trying to prevent that violence is worst than Sanders effectively voting to make it possible?

[randr]

36. Black people are far more sensitive to the real threat

They have grown up with a constant awareness of the evil that lurks in the darkness. The light is exposing that darkness and it is gaining strength.

[Blue_true]

46. Plus, they are more prone than the White liberals that are bashing

Bloomberg to be victims of gun violence. It is simply a pragmatic choice for them, they are willing to ignore some things to prevent a greater evil.

[OliverQ]

47. But why are they so convinced Bloomberg can win? Just because he

has tons of money?

[Blue_true]

50. I believe that there are several underlying reasons.

First, Bloomberg completely strips the claim of success from Trump. Bloomberg is a true self-made billionaire, Trump is a liar about his wealth.

Second, Bloomberg is a highly experienced financier that started up the top finance news source in the world. He can call bullshit on Trump's claims about the economy and have people set up and listen.

Third, Bloomberg has shown that he is willing to take the gloves off to contest Trump and other republicans running for office.

Lastly, Bloomberg has political experience and got things done in a very tough, diverse city of 8 million people, so Blacks can anticipate that he will be more up for the job of President than Trump has shown he is.

[OliverQ]

52. Interesting argument.

I still hate the idea of him buying this entire election, but I hate Trump more. I'm just worried voter turnout will plummet with someone like him as the candidate. We can say goodbye to the 18-35 yeah old vote imo.

[Blue_true]

53. The youth vote has never been there in a General.

I am more worried about the African Anerican vote. If that vote in enthusiastic for Bloomberg, we are in good shape up and down the ticket. The AA vote underperformed for Hillary in key states like Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania, it was not the lack of youth vote that caused Hillary to lose those states, it was lack of AA vote in the big cities.

[OliverQ]

70. The youth vote was there in 2018. They were the largest voting block.

Millions of new young people have become eligible to vote since 2018 and they're angry.

[Blue_true]

71. African Americans turned out in 2018. You seem to keep trying to dismiss the most

important part of the Democratic Party voting base. When African Anericans turn out, we win, when they don't we lose, simple as that.

[OliverQ]

74. Bernie has high African American support.

He won the Iowa minority vote by 30 points and he polls 2nd best in South Carolina. He's also #1 with Latinos which is becoming one of the largest voting blocks.

[Vivienne235729]

54. Bc in a few short weeks he has catapulted to 12%. He has a massive machine

And I think he will be a big contender. But having loads of $$$$ clearly doesn't hurt, either

[Cal Carpenter]

38. Jason Johnson doesn't even represent all of The Root

Let alone all black people.

https://www.theroot.com/i-cant-believe-black-people-might-actually-vote-for-mic-1841611802

He gets called out a few times in the comments too, lol.

[Duppers]

39. He did not say ALL black people.

Now did he?

[Skya Rhen]

40. More twitter reactions regarding these endorsements...

Link to tweet

[Blue_true]

48. Gregory Meeks is huge. He is from the NYC area and saw Bloomberg

govern up close.

[Skya Rhen]

49. So he knows better but doesn't care. I guess we are all flawed human beings capable of turning a

blind eye for selfish purposes.

[Blue_true]

51. Or he knows the full details of what took place there and WHY. nt

[emmaverybo]

59. Bloomberg told us why himself. Because of a racist view of crime. Because of utterly distorted

thinking, skewing statistics, stereotyping black and Latino males as ALL potentially murderers, because of a direct line from the days of slavery and then of Jim Crow laws to his failed policy, which denied hundreds of thousands of people civil liberties enshrined in our laws based purely on their race. He has told us WHY.

[Blue_true]

75. Gregory Meeks is not a yes man. I will wait until he explains why he came out

to support Bloomberg.

[yardwork]

67. It's selfish to defeat Trump?

I don't understand your post.

[David__77]

56. I think plenty of posters on this site do or will support him.

...

[wisteria]

79. Sorry, I don't buy it

[Jacoby365]

80. London Breed, San Francisco's black female mayor,

has endorsed Bloomberg for president citing his “track record of what he’s done as New York City mayor and what he’s done afterward has been significant", and “He has the ability to beat Donald Trump this November, and that is of the most concern to me.”