The simple logical test that is failed by Bloomberg fans!

[cherryinpa]

All of the fans of Bloomberg say two things:

1. He'll do whatever it takes to get Trump out.
2. His financial resources / ads show this is working.

OK, fine.

Since we know that Biden as a Democrat nominee will unite the party and get Trump out (or Klobuchar or Warren).

The simplest step would seem to be for Bloomberg to throw ALL OF HIS FINANCIAL MUSCLE behind Biden and roll with it.

It's the single BEST route to get Trump out, avoids dividing the party and unites all the various factions.

Put simply Biden with Bloombergs cash would steamroll over Trump.

And yet, he fails to do this, why?

[bluewater]

1. Simple. Bloomberg wants to be President himself.

It's not just about Trump. Bloomberg's desires and ego are involved too.

[denem]

37. There may be some big city mayors,

congress critters and governors who do not have the ego and desire to be president, but they are few and far between.

[BusyBeingBest]

2. Is Biden doing well?

[cherryinpa]

19. Fine

Fine, then he can back Klobuchar.

The equation still works.

Klobuchar + Bloomberg's cash = Trump is finished.

[BusyBeingBest]

21. He might end up doing that, it's all up to voters now.

[thesquanderer]

44. re: "Fine, then he can back Klobuchar."

Klobuchar had not demonstrated much of a base of support when he got in. And you mentioned Warren, but he's no fan of Warren or Sanders' economic policies. As others have said, I think ego/ambition is part of it, but I think the final straw was that he felt that Biden was not a safe enough bet to toss all his resources at... in fact, that no one was. So he entered the ring himself.

[Locrian]

3. two things...

A) Biden is too weak a candidate to win the primary let alone GE
B) Bloomberg is an opportunist who is (like trump) only concerned with Bloomberg. Trump is just his white whale. But it's all about HIM not us.

That's what people do not seem to get: Bloomberg *IS NOT RUNNING FOR ALL OF US". He's running for himself, his ego, and wallstreet gang.

[TwilightZone]

13. I disagree

I think this is entirely about Trump. Bloomberg's reaction to Trump is visceral, personal, and quite undoubtedly real.

If it was all about Bloomberg, he wouldn't have spent tens of millions on Democratic races and issues like gun control in 2018. And wouldn't be spending a billion more this cycle on the same.

[Bradshaw3]

30. If it's so real why did he spend millions electing repubs in 2016?

And in 2012 and every year before that. That was before dump was ever in the picture. It's not like he had a sudden realization at age 78 or whatever. He supports repub policies and repubs, including Toomey who narrowly won re-elcetion thanks to more than $11M from Bloomberg.

It's about power and ego.

[Locrian]

34. but that's exactly it...

>>I think this is entirely about Trump. Bloomberg's reaction to Trump is visceral, personal, and quite undoubtedly real.

It's about how trump affects BLOOMBERG. Not "US"


As for 'backing democrats' - we'll that's a real mixed bag
Washington – — Former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg donated $3 million to Gov. Rick Snyder’s re-election campaign — the most he contributed to any candidate as part of a $40 million effort.

The billionaire majority owner of the media conglomerate Bloomberg LP, backed five Republican winners including Snyder, though many Democrats he backed lost. Bloomberg also backed U.S. Rep. Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Township, who won his race for U.S. Senate.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2014/11/12/bloomberg-snyder-reelection/18915445/

[customerserviceguy]

29. Anyone that thinks

that Bloomie will continue to shovel vast sums of money at getting rid of Trump, should said mayor find that he can't get the nomination, well, Bloomie has a bridge to sell you, too.

[TwilightZone]

32. He spent $80 million on Dem causes and races in 2018.

And helped flipped the House.

When he wasn't even running.

Not a fan of Bloomberg, but assertions like this just have no basis in reality.

[customerserviceguy]

40. Oh, he's going to spend some money on the general

but not Super Bowl ad buy money, the bucketloads he's spending to constantly advertise on TV these days.

[denem]

38. Locrian ... would I have backed 'the aristocrats coup',

von Stauffenberg to dispatch the Führer? Yes, yes I would.

[Locrian]

39. I dont disagee with that

Except here it's not your only choice. There are others besides Bloomberg more qualified.

I'll gag and vote for him if he's the nom - but not in the primary. I think he'll get slaughtered vs trump. WAY too much baggage in terms of minorities and wallstreet ties.

[Recursion]

4. He's said he will if he doesn't get the nomination

He will keep paying his staff to work for whoever gets the nomination, and keep the ad buys against Trump going

[cherryinpa]

20. Sure

But look at the disruption this is causing in the meantime.

Avoid that disruption, unify the party, back Klobuchar if he doesn't like Biden.

And away we go united.

[lunasun]

5. I think he has hurt Biden in the polls . Doesn't appear to be his primary strategy right now

[dalton99a]

6. Bloomberg didn't get rich by being stupid

[George II]

7. Biden isn't a Democrat candidate.

[bluewater]

10. Good catch, George.

Seriously.



Talk about a shibboleth, eh?

[MrsCoffee]

15. +1

[PatSeg]

24. Oops!

[Mike 03]

8. Maybe he was smarter than I was, because I didn't see Biden

floundering.

Maybe he didn't either.

Of course it's early and I'm waiting until Super Tuesday before I draw too many conclusions.

I don't think Bloomberg wanted to be the focus of so much attention this early, but I might be wrong. I think he had a vision about how this election season would unfold, and that it's not unfolding that way.

[TwilightZone]

9. "Biden with Bloombergs cash would steamroll over Trump"

I'm not sure that there's evidence of that at present. We'll know by Super Tuesday if Biden is going to be a viable candidate going forward, but it's not as simple as just throwing more cash at the problem.

Also, I think there's more to Bloomberg's rise than just a bunch of ads. I think some of his support is from people who believe Sanders could win the nomination and be a poor general election candidate and are looking for an alternative.

[Mike 03]

11. Yes, especially now.

Two months ago I would have agreed with that statement.

Now it's just not clear at all.

Somebody with Bloomberg's cash will steamroll over Trump, but we don't know who the somebody is yet. (And hopefully some of our senate candidates with B's cash will do the same.)

[tiredtoo]

12. Another thing the New York Billionaire could do

if his true desire was to get trump out, He could pay the $500 poll tax Florida has placed on voters with felony records.

[MrsCoffee]

14. Would that be legal?

I mean it’s one thing to fund your own campaign, but you can only give so much to someone else right?

[xmas74]

16. Yep. There are limits

Hence PACs and Super PACs.

[Mike 03]

17. Excellent point.

[Recursion]

23. You can run anti-Trump ads all you want as long as you don't advocate voting for a candidate (nt)

[cherryinpa]

25. 100%

We need to fight Trump using the same tactics they use against us.

Or we can sit on the sidelines moaning about how unfair it all was for the next 4 years.

[beastie boy]

18. The aswer is even simpler than the logical test you are proposing.

Bloomberg is not permitted by law to throw all of his financial muscle behind Biden. Not even a tiny bit of it.

Also, if you decide to post on left-leaning web sites, it would help to use the adjective "Democratic" instead of "Democrat", which is a noun that only right wingers use as an adjective.

[thesquanderer]

43. He can legally spend as much of his money as he wants attacking Trump.

And possibly even supporting a particular candidate, as long as he does not coordinate with that candidate's campaign.

[Autumn]

22. Bloomberg is a shiny object. A laser pointer. Right now his attacks on Trump are awesome.

Winning an election requires a lot more than that.

[ariadne0614]

26. "Democrat candidate"?

I feel the need to wash a sock.

[gollygee]

31. +1

[Enoki33]

27. Think one of the attractions of Bloomberg is that he goes for

the traitor’s jugular. It’s the fearless aggressiveness that most recognize as necessary, and long overdue.

[Raster]

28. Unfortunately, I think Biden and Team have unwittingly ceeded narrative to tRump*...

...who is piling on as much baggage on Biden as he possibly can. Yes, distortion. Yes, distraction. Yes, unfair... all that, and more. Unfortunately, it appears that some of the shit tRump* has slung is sticking.

And I say again: I WILL VOTE FOR OUR PARTY'S NOMINEE, no matter who. Getting rid of the foul tRump* stench is paramount.

[gollygee]

33. This is my fear about Biden

I love him. And he hasn't been able to control the narrative. The lies have stuck and I don't know if they'll go away.

[Raster]

41. Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton was a victim of the same sleazy, underhanded lies and innuendos...

...tRump* and his minions are masters at slinging shit and stirring the pot. HATED THEM.

[Mz Pip]

35. I dunno

I started out this season a Biden supporter but as things moved along I’m beginning to doubt he has what it takes to beat Trump. His poor performance in Iowa and New Hampshire doesn’t give me much confidence. We’ll see how it goes in the later primaries. Maybe he can regain his momentum.

That said, if Biden wins the primary he will get a big cash infusion from Bloomberg. He just has to win first. Seems reasonable really. Bloomberg wants to see who has the majority support before investing in a single candidate.

Right now Bloomberg is focusing solely on Trump. He’s not denigrating any of the other candidates.

Let the process play out.

[Rorey]

36. People are listening to him as a candidate

I wonder if that's his point sometimes. If he was just running anti-trump ads as a former mayor, maybe he wouldn't get as much attention. As a candidate, he IS getting attention. Maybe he's trying to do as much damage to -45 as possible, and then will jump on board to campaign for whoever gets the nomination. And if he gets it, then he's already well on his way.

Just speculating.

[Kaleva]

42. With t Twitter War going on between Bloomberg & Trump, Bloomberg does have Trump's attention.