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Two of Biden's Accusers Appear To Have Known Each Other Since 2013 (Original Post) Stare Decisis Apr 2019 OP
Did Lucy ask Cece to help her out? Gato malo Apr 2019 #1
I can not speculate as to what this does Stare Decisis Apr 2019 #3
I think so. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #29
Did BERNIE recruit her as part of his evil plot to sabotage Joe? I mean,as long as we're speculating InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #48
When will Bernie release his taxes? BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #54
This needs to be investigated as a criminal conspiracy BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #2
What would be the crime? David__77 Apr 2019 #9
Criminal defamation ucrdem Apr 2019 #12
I don't suspect Biden would support that. David__77 Apr 2019 #13
I don't think he would either. ucrdem Apr 2019 #14
that would contradict his two statements bigtree Apr 2019 #24
It doesnt concern you that two of the women knew each other? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #26
It won't be Biden's call nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #35
No I don't think so either.. he's above that. Just a good man, but above that Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #51
Obviously , this was collusion maybe not criminal but awful just the same. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #27
If they are both hauled in to interrogation rooms BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #36
I hadn't thought of that, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #41
Just figuring out what they were really doing will suffice. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #25
Is this Fox News. Sounds like spreading a conspiracy to me. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #4
At the time of Caruso's accusation, Clark County Stare Decisis Apr 2019 #5
Oh please, like you think we cannot read between the lines as to what you are tryihng to implicate. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #7
You might be thinking something different from me but I don't read minds. Stare Decisis Apr 2019 #10
Thank you for posting this. It is disturbingly coincidental R B Garr Apr 2019 #16
Why did they act like they didn't know each other? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #20
Bingo!!! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #52
There was obviously a conspiracy BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #37
Maybe you should ask Flores about conspiracies. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22
Ya think?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #49
How about DJ Hill & Amy Lapos? Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #6
WE ARE CHAMPIONS OF TRUTH. Stare Decisis Apr 2019 #8
Since Lappos believes that men should not run for president, I have no desire to "champion" her LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #11
Accusers?? They have decided they don't want Biden R B Garr Apr 2019 #15
DJ Hill reminds me of Franken accuser. Her husband was there and he touched her back! Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #19
No we should show discernment and listen to women and then decide about the support. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23
It is all going to come out. Stay tuned. nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #39
Everyone wants their 15 minutes. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #55
Since the original Flores "bombshell story" was a total bust, oasis Apr 2019 #17
No. In my opinion we need to get to the root of this. nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #40
Biden's people have a good idea who's behind this. Don't look oasis Apr 2019 #45
Oh yes please!! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #53
Thank you for posting this. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #21
These two ladies have orchestrated a hit job against Joe Biden. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #28
Really? melman Apr 2019 #30
Caitlin and flores know each other and there are more Posts on twiter. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32
Where's the proof they "orchestrated a hit job"? melman Apr 2019 #34
I didn't say they did. But it may be true. Maybe we should consider they knew each Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #38
This is not anti-woman . This is a set up maybe to bring Biden down. I would like Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #31
I know Lucy Flores knows this woman from the 2014 event. CentralMass Apr 2019 #33
Did that woman accuse Biden of anything...no she didnt. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #42
It is self evident from the photo that there was some hair sniffing going on. CentralMass Apr 2019 #43
Oh please.Biden is a good guy and I am thinking he was set up. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #46
He is a very decent guy. But don't call these women conspirators or.liars. CentralMass Apr 2019 #47
Do we have any evidence that the incidents they describe actually occurred? ucrdem Apr 2019 #50
Those that did this and pile on have now gone too far. The ridiculous charges...he Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #56
I have to disagree. I like Joe Biden and would vote for him. CentralMass Apr 2019 #57
I don't believe a word so if she did this to help another candidate, I hope Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #58
The photos we've seen are innocent ucrdem Apr 2019 #59
Very improbable. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61
Flores is a political operative. She had admitted that R B Garr Apr 2019 #60
Surprise surprise kimbutgar Apr 2019 #44
 

Gato malo

(57 posts)
1. Did Lucy ask Cece to help her out?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 08:47 PM
Apr 2019

This is getting interesting.

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Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
3. I can not speculate as to what this does
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 08:53 PM
Apr 2019

or does not mean. This is just a simple recitation of fact for the record.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,147 posts)
48. Did BERNIE recruit her as part of his evil plot to sabotage Joe? I mean,as long as we're speculating
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:57 PM
Apr 2019

... right?!




Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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BannonsLiver

(16,681 posts)
54. When will Bernie release his taxes?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:32 AM
Apr 2019
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
2. This needs to be investigated as a criminal conspiracy
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 08:51 PM
Apr 2019

I hope Nevada AG is up to it.

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David__77

(23,795 posts)
9. What would be the crime?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:38 PM
Apr 2019

They didn’t accuse him of a crime. They addressed the domain of their experience, which is subjective in nature. I can’t imagine how that would be a crime relative to a public figure.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
12. Criminal defamation
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:49 PM
Apr 2019

a.k.a. defamatory libel. Not every state allows it but apparently Nevada does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#United_States

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David__77

(23,795 posts)
13. I don't suspect Biden would support that.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:51 PM
Apr 2019

...

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. I don't think he would either.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:54 PM
Apr 2019

But there are legal remedies he could pursue if he needs to.

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bigtree

(86,310 posts)
24. that would contradict his two statements
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:46 PM
Apr 2019

...and put a very different light on his statements, putting him at odds with women who support others coming forward with revelations about past abuse.

It would make a lie out of what he's said about these accusations, so far.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
26. It doesnt concern you that two of the women knew each other?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:49 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
35. It won't be Biden's call nt
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:10 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Thekaspervote

(32,949 posts)
51. No I don't think so either.. he's above that. Just a good man, but above that
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:20 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
27. Obviously , this was collusion maybe not criminal but awful just the same.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:50 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
36. If they are both hauled in to interrogation rooms
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:12 PM
Apr 2019

one of them might talk and point to a much bigger conspiracy that the one just between the two women. There must be someone higher up who orchestrated this for the benefit of one candidate.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
41. I hadn't thought of that,
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:18 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
25. Just figuring out what they were really doing will suffice.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
4. Is this Fox News. Sounds like spreading a conspiracy to me.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:00 PM
Apr 2019
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Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
5. At the time of Caruso's accusation, Clark County
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:09 PM
Apr 2019

had approximate 1,050,000 women living in it. VP Biden is accused of inappropriately touching two women in Clark County roughly 17 months apart.

Women that knew each other.

That is an accurate accounting of to this point coincidental but factual events.

Facts are not conspiratorial.

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
7. Oh please, like you think we cannot read between the lines as to what you are tryihng to implicate.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:32 PM
Apr 2019
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Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
10. You might be thinking something different from me but I don't read minds.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:40 PM
Apr 2019

What ever are you speaking of? I would have no idea. I just think it is an amazing and noteworthy coincidence.

Did I say differently? In fact has one word I have posted made any claim beyond the facts I reported?

NO.

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R B Garr

(17,082 posts)
16. Thank you for posting this. It is disturbingly coincidental
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:06 PM
Apr 2019

that two of the complainers know one another for years, especially when both waited for years to emerge at the end of March, beginning of April just a couple weeks before Biden is expected to announce. Flores has been on TV saying she doesn’t want Biden to run.

This was a great find.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
20. Why did they act like they didn't know each other?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:42 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
37. There was obviously a conspiracy
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:14 PM
Apr 2019

to damage Biden and it could have been orchestrated by one campaign which was getting killed in the polls by Biden.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
22. Maybe you should ask Flores about conspiracies.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:43 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,147 posts)
49. Ya think?!
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:59 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
6. How about DJ Hill & Amy Lapos?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:31 PM
Apr 2019

Any dirt to be dug up on them? If we're going to drag accusers through the mud we need to be thorough.
What's their background? Axes to grind?


SMH

This is really happening here. Here where we're supposed to be champions of women.

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Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
8. WE ARE CHAMPIONS OF TRUTH.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:34 PM
Apr 2019

Wherever that truth may lead.

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
11. Since Lappos believes that men should not run for president, I have no desire to "champion" her
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:46 PM
Apr 2019

nor do I feel any obligation to do so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,082 posts)
15. Accusers?? They have decided they don't want Biden
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:57 PM
Apr 2019

to run and this is how they are going about it.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
19. DJ Hill reminds me of Franken accuser. Her husband was there and he touched her back!
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:41 PM
Apr 2019

The horror. Maybe she knew the others maybe she had her own reason.,.but her story is bullshit.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
23. No we should show discernment and listen to women and then decide about the support.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:45 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
39. It is all going to come out. Stay tuned. nt
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:15 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,681 posts)
55. Everyone wants their 15 minutes.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:18 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

oasis

(49,986 posts)
17. Since the original Flores "bombshell story" was a total bust,
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:12 PM
Apr 2019

what say we all fold up our tents and go quietly into the night?

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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
40. No. In my opinion we need to get to the root of this. nt
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:16 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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oasis

(49,986 posts)
45. Biden's people have a good idea who's behind this. Don't look
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:31 PM
Apr 2019

for Joe to get into a feud with the "guilty party". He well remembers the Howard Dean/Dick Gephardt feud during the 2004 Dem primaries.

John Kerry became the beneficiary of that ugly bash between Howie and Dick,by grabbing the nomination.

Biden's gonna play it cool throughout. That's his way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
18. Thank you for posting this.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:38 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
28. These two ladies have orchestrated a hit job against Joe Biden.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:51 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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melman

(7,681 posts)
30. Really?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:53 PM
Apr 2019

Show some proof of that.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
32. Caitlin and flores know each other and there are more Posts on twiter.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:02 PM
Apr 2019

This looks bad. Flores is trying to double down . Wonder what she will say tomorrow?

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melman

(7,681 posts)
34. Where's the proof they "orchestrated a hit job"?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:06 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
38. I didn't say they did. But it may be true. Maybe we should consider they knew each
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:14 PM
Apr 2019

Other and ask why they didnt acknowledge this. It may be a hit job.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
31. This is not anti-woman . This is a set up maybe to bring Biden down. I would like
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:57 PM
Apr 2019

to know why.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
42. Did that woman accuse Biden of anything...no she didnt.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:20 PM
Apr 2019

I recognize the actress.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
43. It is self evident from the photo that there was some hair sniffing going on.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:27 PM
Apr 2019

There is ample evidence that this is a thing that he does. So when a women or man that he's met with make a statement like he sniffed my hair or nuzzled my nose I don't find it difficult to believe.

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
46. Oh please.Biden is a good guy and I am thinking he was set up.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:33 PM
Apr 2019

Someone is going to have to explain this. Sure looks like a hit job. Biden is a decent guy and he didn't deserve this. As for hair sniffing how silly. See that on GOP Sites quite
often.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
47. He is a very decent guy. But don't call these women conspirators or.liars.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:56 PM
Apr 2019
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
50. Do we have any evidence that the incidents they describe actually occurred?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 12:03 AM
Apr 2019

Photographs for example? Or witnesses?

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
56. Those that did this and pile on have now gone too far. The ridiculous charges...he
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 08:09 AM
Apr 2019

touched my forehead one of them said. Quite obvious,..embarrassed for them, infuriated. The me to movement is now over. I hope those who did this are ashamed. They have hurt women more than they will everv understand.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
57. I have to disagree. I like Joe Biden and would vote for him.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 10:54 AM
Apr 2019

This story has evolved and he has released a statement. Here is one of a number of recent opinion articles on it that bring up some points

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/01/joe-biden-doesnt-get-it/

Most if us here have lived and worked for decades and some may be retired. We have our own experiences. I'm 59. In all my years of going to school, going to church activities, attending CCD, playing sports, raising my daughters. working etc I have I have never encountered someone who habitually makes unsolicited physical contact with people. In fact i don't recall anyone who did it infrequently. I coached girls soccer for a dozen years and I taught a Sunday school class for two years and I've worked for more then 4 decades and haven't seen it.

Of course Joe Biden is a politican and politicians are different. It is their job to schmooze with people. I get that. I also get that some people get very enamored with politicians. They are like rock stars to some people. However I can fully understand that a young women at a politic event who the Vice President of the country has graciously attended to promote her might be freaked out when he walked up behind her put his hand on hrr shoulders leaned in put his nose in her hair and then kissed her on the head.
What was she supposed to do ? She has orobably killed her own political future by coming forward 5 years later. You can see a level of shock or uncomfortableness in the faces of some of the girls in some of these situations. It sounds he was friends with the family. knew the girls etc. No one is suggesting a sexual motive. However what do you expect them to say ?

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Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
58. I don't believe a word so if she did this to help another candidate, I hope
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 11:19 AM
Apr 2019

her political aspirations are doomed. We don't need this sort of thing.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
59. The photos we've seen are innocent
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019

and the first two claims, the hair kiss and the thigh grab, aren't supported by photos. And the stories sound improbable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,082 posts)
60. Flores is a political operative. She had admitted that
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 11:26 AM
Apr 2019

she wanted to start a dialogue about Biden to take attention away from Bernie’s documented 2016 harassment accusations in his campaign.
Whataboutism, so to speak.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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