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Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:48 PM

 

Amy! You go, Girl!

Pete, siddown.
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Reply Amy! You go, Girl! (Original post)
Xipe Totec Feb 2020 OP
msongs Feb 2020 #1
California_Republic Feb 2020 #5
Big Blue Marble Feb 2020 #8
unitedwethrive Feb 2020 #11
Just_Vote_Dem Feb 2020 #10
thesquanderer Feb 2020 #49
we can do it Feb 2020 #2
MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #3
GanjaGrower Feb 2020 #4
cherryinpa Feb 2020 #6
Raine Feb 2020 #7
earthside Feb 2020 #9
StevieM Feb 2020 #12
apcalc Feb 2020 #29
Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #32
NedBraden Feb 2020 #13
dsc Feb 2020 #14
Xipe Totec Feb 2020 #15
dsc Feb 2020 #18
Celerity Feb 2020 #17
Celerity Feb 2020 #16
earthside Feb 2020 #20
Celerity Feb 2020 #22
apcalc Feb 2020 #26
Celerity Feb 2020 #36
apcalc Feb 2020 #38
Celerity Feb 2020 #40
apcalc Feb 2020 #50
thesquanderer Feb 2020 #53
Celerity Feb 2020 #54
Renew Deal Feb 2020 #19
apcalc Feb 2020 #27
Renew Deal Feb 2020 #30
apcalc Feb 2020 #35
musicblind Feb 2020 #44
question everything Feb 2020 #21
dsc Feb 2020 #23
squirecam Feb 2020 #24
dsc Feb 2020 #25
apcalc Feb 2020 #31
dsc Feb 2020 #34
question everything Feb 2020 #28
dsc Feb 2020 #33
jmg257 Feb 2020 #39
question everything Feb 2020 #42
jmg257 Feb 2020 #37
musicblind Feb 2020 #45
SunSeeker Feb 2020 #48
cliffside Feb 2020 #41
apcalc Feb 2020 #47
Callado119 Feb 2020 #43
musicblind Feb 2020 #46
Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #52
snowybirdie Feb 2020 #51

Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:49 PM

1. she looked like she was gonna cry nt

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:50 PM

5. Agree.... Then she rallied

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:51 PM

8. No, she looked like she wanted to fight!

 

Why oh why does Pete think its a good look to attack Amy? If he wants to clear the competition
tell us how he is going to stop Bernie.
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Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:54 PM

11. To me, it seemed like she was attacking him.

 

I appreciated the way he remained calm and presidential throughout.
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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:52 PM

10. That's what I thought because her voice was wavering also n/t

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:33 PM

49. YES. That was the moment that I thought was worst for her, because nothing would play better...

 

...into the sexist trope.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:49 PM

2. Yessss

 

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:49 PM

3. Pete pushed that too far,

 

and Amy beat him up over it. A college town mayor from Indiana preaching to a veteran US senator about immigration policy wasn't a good tactic.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:49 PM

4. She's not handling it well

 

She’s really got to learn how to stay poised and go on offense against Pete. He’s picking her apart.
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Response to GanjaGrower (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:50 PM

6. Yes

 

She’ll need to face far worse if she comes up against Trump.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:50 PM

7. The women were totally on fire

 

tonight!
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:52 PM

9. Pete and Mr. Burns ... the Republican-lite candidates.

 

Bloomberg, not even that lite.

Good for Klobuchar for pushing back against the smug and condescending Buttigieg.

This is the first time I've really taken a dislike to Pete, but he earned it all night long.
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Response to earthside (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:54 PM

12. I like Pete more than ever.

 

And I never liked Amy. I like her even less after tonight.
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Response to StevieM (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:11 AM

29. Pete was petty and smarmy . He is off my list and my spouse's

 

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Response to earthside (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:16 AM

32. I called Pete 'Alex P Keaton' at one point, lol

 

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:55 PM

13. She's getting

 

My vote, but no denying Biden did great to ight, hope he gets some momentum going so we don't have to vote for a pseudo Dem in Bloomie. Who in fact I could NEVER vote for for anything
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:56 PM

14. What did he say what was inaccurate here?

 

Did she not support more Trump judges than every single, solitary senator who ran (Booker, Harris, Bennett, Gillibrand, Sanders, and Warren)? Did she not vote for the ICE director who instituted those policies and who was opposed by every single, solitary senator who ran? Is any of that untrue?
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Response to dsc (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:57 PM

15. He tried to talk over her and she shut him up. He deserved it.

 

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:59 PM

18. Oh please

 

she constantly interrupted him too. But I note, you didn't dispute a thing.
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Response to dsc (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:58 PM

17. +1

 

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:58 PM

16. completely disagree, Amy lost her cool as many on multiple threads (and not just Pete supporters)

 

have said
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Response to Celerity (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:01 PM

20. Sexist.

 

A woman pushes back and she has "lost her cool" ...
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Response to earthside (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 PM

22. LOL, temperament is not gender dictated, and as a woman myself, I find that sexist charge to what is

 

a fair and legit criticism laughable.

If you think the relatively mild back and forth with Pete is bad, try on Trump for size.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:08 AM

26. I give her credit for not walking over and decking him.

 

Ahhhh but that’s the “manly” response.
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Response to apcalc (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:23 AM

36. she is the one who has been having a go for weeks, so sorry, not buying this

 

and why do you keep bringing this bogus projection of sexism into of a simple critique of temperament

Pete caught her in a flat out falsehood

she walked right into it

Klobuchar completely flipped her percentage of voting for Trump judges and tried to say PETE lied. She DID vote to approve 2/3rds of the Trump judges, she did, not, as she claimed oppose 2/3rds

She claimed




After Buttigieg criticized Klobuchar for voting to confirm too many Trump judges, Klobuchar tersely responded, "I have opposed, not supported, two-thirds of the Trump judges, so get your numbers right."

well sorry
but Pete was right
she was wrong


Amy Klobuchar Keeps Voting for Trump’s ‘Horrific’ Judges

In the most recent congressional session, Klobuchar voted to confirm nearly two-thirds of President Trump’s judicial nominees.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/amy-klobuchar-keeps-voting-for-trumps-horrific-judges


point to Pete



Post debate she claimed that PETE has been targeting her in the past several debates. Pure tosh, She has been going after him for weeks/months, a bit like Gabbard targeted Harris over and over, and Harris herself went after Biden. I do not think she has the temperament necessary for the Oval Office. If mild Pete makes your anger flash (and flash after SHE started it up all again, the same as she has done in the past few debates) to the point that so many people on here (and not at all just limited to us Pete folk) plus many of the presenters on the post debate shows, then what about the looming 8000 pound gorilla of Trump, who is the dirtiest, lying, cheap-shotting scumbag bully in POTUS history? There is zero sexism involved in that positing. I would say the exact same thing of any male candidate who exhibits similar traits.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:26 AM

38. Sexist bullshit. She did not lose her cool.

 

Losing her cool would be yelling and redfaced, would be petty and smarmy...she was controlled.
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Response to apcalc (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:36 AM

40. bollocks, you are playing semantic games, plus injecting your own sexism by applying 'smarmy'

 

which is a very loaded and gendered term (almost always applied to women), to your OWN definition of what would be (according to you) 'losing her cool'

Losing one's cool is a non gender specific term, applied to both men and women all the time, unlike YOUR 'smarmy'.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:00 PM

50. Who knew smarmy was gender specific? In your view did I use it on

 

It on the proper gender???? I sure don’t know.

How about “ losing your cool “?

Amy did not lose hers imo. Not even close.

But hey, maybe I don’t know the proper usage there either.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:50 AM

53. Smarmy is gendered? Nah.

 

If anything, the word makes me think of others like smug and condescending, which are also not gendered insults, but I think, if anything, are more often applied to men than women, probably because men probably are these things more often than women are. And even recently here, I've seen Buttigieg and Bloomberg referred to as smarmy. Do you have any reference to support it being "almost always applied to women"? Maybe you just happen to have personally run into it that way an unusual number of times...?
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:00 PM

54. might be a cultural thing, I am US-born but London raised, it is most often applied to women

 

in my experience, but I will give the point that it is not the most direct of things.

I absolutely do, however, stand by my premiss that came from my original reply to the other poster, that being it is tosh that any critique I made of Klobuchar's temperament was sexist in the slightest. she has a long history of intemperance, especially when it comes to dealing with subordinates. She would make a far better (by a million fold) president than the orange bloat, and I would support her over Sanders and Bloomberg, and Gabbard, but that is it, of the people left, and there where others I would have supported over her as well, who have now dropped out of contention. Harris, for instance.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:00 PM

19. Why did she vote for so many of Trumps nominees?

 

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:09 AM

27. And he has not voted on anything

 

easy to attack when you HAVE NO RECORD
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Response to apcalc (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:12 AM

30. Neither has Trump

 

You need a better argument than that.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:21 AM

35. Yes, they both attack and have no record of votes.

 

BMOC
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Response to apcalc (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:39 AM

44. In 2008, the Clinton campaign tried the "Easy when you have no record" defense

 

on Obama when he criticized her Iraq War votes.

Deflecting bad choices by saying someone else didn't have to make those same choices doesn't make the bad choices better.

That defense wasn't a good look in 2008, and it's not a great look now.

I think Amy is great but she needs a better response than. "I am a Senator you were a mayor." That's so condescending.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:04 PM

21. The irony is that some here did not like her attacks

 

Wanted her to turn the proverbial other cheek. I am glad that she fought back.
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Response to question everything (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:58 PM

23. I have no problem with her attacking I have a big problem with her dishonesty

 

She lied about the cartoon comment, it was just flat out 180 degree off what he clearly meant and she damn well knows it. And here tonight, she lied about her own record. If she didn't want to have to deal with voting for Trump's judges she shouldn't have done it. If he didn't want to deal with having voted to make English the official language she shouldn't have done it, and if she didn't want to deal with having voted for the border commisioner she shouldn't have done that. And she should have answered the moderator's question about her ignorance of Mexico honestly too.
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Response to dsc (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:01 AM

24. You mean answer the totally unfair question

 

Which Warren pointed out.

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Response to squirecam (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:05 AM

25. It wasn't unfair at all

 

She was clueless about Mexico in that interview. Yes, the interviewer did come back to the name but he also asked Klobuchar about specific policies and got a whole bunch of nothing. It was a perfectly fair question and her lack of respect for the reporter who asked it was palpable.
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Response to dsc (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:15 AM

31. As they all were... nobody knew it, except buttigieg.

 

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Response to apcalc (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:18 AM

34. It wasn't just the name as the questioner pointed out

 

it was the fact she clearly had no idea what the government of Mexico thought about the issues of the day. No Steyer didn't cover himself with glory with his answer but he did better than she did.
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Response to dsc (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:09 AM

28. This is the difference between a small town mayor who can just look at tiny facts

 

and a seasoned experienced senator who sees the whole picture.

Many judiciary offices stayed vacant because the turtle would not consider any proposed by the Obama administration. You cannot punish the whole country by keeping these offices empty.

Same with Mexico. Looking at the gotcha question of who is the president as opposed to passing the new trade agreement.

Mayor Pete, sadly, is not ready yet for prime time.
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Response to question everything (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:17 AM

33. Every single, solitary senator who ran for President

 

every last damn one of them, voted for fewer of those nominations than she did. Even Bennett who is the most moderate of the bunch voted for fewer than she did. And, yes we Goddamn well can and should keep them empty before putting on anti gay judges. I bet if instead of the Family Research Council it was the Conservative Citiezens council which endorsed that judge you wouldn't be saying go ahead and confirm. Both Franken and Smith who represent her state voted for fewer than she did (by percent not number). It wasn't a gotcha question. First, she should know his name but that isn't actually the questioners problem it was her utter ignorance of any policy demonstrated in that interview.
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Response to question everything (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:26 AM

39. Gotcha question?? She's on the Border Security/immigration committee..

 

You would think she’d know the leader of a country on our border.
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Response to jmg257 (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:30 AM

42. As she explained in the Town Hall meeting - it was around 2:00 am

 

After a long day in the senate passing the war act (not sure of the correct title) and she drew blank.

Yes I remember Hillary’s ad about 3:00 am - as president when being called she would be surrounded with aids.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:24 AM

37. I'm still not clear - did she forget the Mexico Pres name,

 

Or did she just not know it?
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Response to jmg257 (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:43 AM

45. My impression is she just forgot it.

 

Similar to Obama's infamous 57 states comment.

It was silly for Pete to press her on that, but I feel her reaction to it was even sillier because came off condescending.

I do not think Amy is a condescending person by nature, but that's how that portion of the debate read to me.
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Response to musicblind (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:42 AM

48. No, Obama misspoke. He did not "forget" there are 50 states. Amy forgot.

 

Her forgetting Obrador's name (if she ever knew it) is not similar to Obama accidentally saying "57" instead of "50." She is on the Senate Subcommittee on Border Security and Immigration and she doesn't have Obrador's name on the tip of her tongue? That suggests she isn't paying attention, implying she does not care. Pete was right to press her. And it showed she really did not know Obrador's name, it was not a question of forgetting or misspeaking. Misspeaking would be if she said something like that his name was Labrador instead of Obrador.

As CNN pointed out, in naming Bloomberg and her the two debate losers of tonight:
Klobuchar had to know she was going to get a question about why she couldn't remember the name of the Mexican President, but she still had to look down at her notes to get the name right! And her follow-up bit of trivia about the number of people in the Israeli parliament fell totally flat too. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/19/politics/who-won-democratic-debate/index.html

What was amazing is she still had to check her notes before saying Obrador's name, and even then, she mangled its pronunciation. It was cringy.

Making matters worse for her, her voice quivers when she speaks. I don't know if it's nervousness or what, but her voice tends to sound like she's on the verge of crying. She just does not come off as poised and confident. Warren does not have that problem, and Warren won the debate tonight.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:42 AM

41. Amy and Elizabeth both did well tonight, we should all be proud of them tonight ...

 

have to agree with Amy when she said Pete memorized talking points., he is a very smart, but needs to cement his views more. Think he will be a force to reckon with, just not sure this is his time. Guess once someone becomes older, no longer on an employer HC plan with an out of pocket maximum of 11k per year, 8k+ premiums and drawing down from retirement savings for 10 years. Thankfully had savings, I realize not everyone can do so. There is no reason in my mind that we cannot have a NHC plan paid by taxes in some form, that frees so many people from being tied to a job, a spouse, venturing out on their own etc. not to mention medical bankruptcies and death. A strong nation needs a healthy society to compete in the world.
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Response to cliffside (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 05:46 AM

47. I agree they did well. And your point at the end is well taken.

 

We need a strong healthy nation.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:39 AM

43. What debate did you watch?

 

I thought it was a terrible debate for her. Even the best interpretation would be “meh”. There’ll definitely be no “Klobucharge” after this. Hopefully she finally drops out after a likely 6th place finish on Saturday..
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Response to Callado119 (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:45 AM

46. One bad debate is definitely not going to end her.

 

Everyone has a bad night here and there. Pete got the best of her tonight, but she was great in the New Hampshire debate and got 20% of the New Hampshire vote. She has a good argument for staying in. Also, she won't come in 6th.
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Response to Callado119 (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:53 PM

52. Amy had a very poor debate when she could least afford it

 

I support Amy and Bloomberg but they were both terrible. It doesn't change how they would fare in a general election but they were both terrible. Likewise Elizabeth Warren was excellent but it doesn't change how she would fare. Too many people love to overreact and proclaim voters stampeding away or rallying towards.

Amy was frustrated early when she wasn't getting enough talk time. Sanders and Warren were hogging things. Then the Mexico question was proper. That had been Amy's weakest moment of the campaign, as I emphasized in the related thread once it happened. It was difficult to believe Amy wasn't better prepared this time. Rattle off some names and recent policy decisions regarding Mexico. That's what Bush 43 used to do including the famous second debate with Gore in 2000 that Saturday Night Live properly mocked.

Then the Dreamers answer was even worse. Mind boggling. I had to pause the tape and watch something else for a while, before returning.

Amy let Pete get under her skin. Some of her responses indicate she wasn't ready to be challenged like that. But you can't weaken to comments like, "Are you saying I'm dumb?" Trump would feast on something like that. His supporters would be in a feeding frenzy.

Very disappointing overall. Bloomberg technically may have been worse in the first hour but he didn't show a weak side like Amy did, nor a testy side.

I don't mind wagering against my favorite teams and I don't mind defining my preferred candidates properly when they fail.
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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:25 PM

51. Guess the ladies

 

aren't supposed to show raw emotion. She was pissed at the audacity of the punk!
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