How is Bernie the only person who supports

[TheSocialDem]

The nominee with the most delegates..

That surprised me, maybe it shouldn’t have

[we can do it]

1. That's not what they said.

[TheSocialDem]

3. Pretty sure it was, delegates into the convention

[Laelth]

25. Um ... I think that IS what they said.

"Follow the Rules" is code for:

We suspect that Bernie will have a plurality (but not a majority) of delegates going into the convention. If that's the case, we reserve the right to pool our delegates together to insure that Bernie is NOT the party's nominee. We reserve the right to band together to nominate someone else.

I am pretty sure that's what I heard (even if nobody actually said it).



-Laelth

[NurseJackie]

36. That suits me fine.

A plurality is not a majority. (Maybe something like that is okay in Socialist countries... but I don't think that's a good idea for our country and our party.)

[Laelth]

41. Those are, in fact, the rules. n/t

-Laelth

[NurseJackie]

42. Pesky rules! So inconvenient!

He was for them before he was against them. I guess it just depends on the year, and the odds.

[Laelth]

43. Pesky, indeed. n/t

-Laelth

[still_one]

2. First, everyone knows the rules going in. Second, it is ironic because if memory serves me, four

years ago he had a different view

[MontanaFarmer]

4. Ask the 2016 Bernie why.

Answer is 180 this time.

[Me.]

5. Big Turnaround From '16 With That Answer

[George II]

9. I thought he was consistent and never changes his position.

[still_one]

13. I have no idea, but usually people change positions several times when they are sleeping I have

heard

[Me.]

22. LOL

same as you know who

[CalFione]

6. Because Bernie isn't big on following the rules of the party convention

for the party he conveniently joins for a few months every four years.

[Sparkly]

8. Thank you.

[Capt. America]

15. This this this times 1000! Bloomberg as well.

Also, Bloomberg supported W. Done. Full stop.

[DanTex]

7. Because they all know that Bernie's going to have the most delegates.

[CalFione]

10. You should listen to what 2016 Bernie had to say about it

[TheSocialDem]

12. Yet, some would humor the inevitable chaos

That would happen if they did a second ballot and replaced him.. at this time

It’s wild to consider that

[Demsrule86]

32. Sanders thinks he will...but I have my doubts...Let's see what happens in Carolina and Super Tuesday

I think Nevada will be interesting as they had early voting...so that would encourage older voters and those who have to work for a living.

[Renew Deal]

11. He had the opposite position in 2016

[JudyM]

18. It's the same, he doesn't think the superdelegates should decide the candidate, the voters should.

The superdelegates aren’t in it during the first round this time.

[Renew Deal]

19. Then why did he stick around till the convention last time?

He lost the popular vote and the pledged convention battle.

[dsc]

20. that is baldly false

He specifically asked super delegates to do just that. He is on record as doing exactly that.

[TwilightZone]

27. False. "Sanders Campaign Now Embraces Superdelegates As Key To Nomination"

He tried to get them to switch.

"Despite badly lagging in the delegate count, Bernie Sanders' campaign manager told NPR the campaign believes Sanders can and will be the Democratic nominee by winning over superdelegates at the 11th hour."

From NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/478705022/sanders-campaign-now-says-superdelegates-are-key-to-winning-nomination

[JudyM]

33. Not false. He was working with the rules as they were, but he did not agree with them.

[HarlanPepper]

37. Sorry, it's not. Gaslighting isn't going to change that.

[myohmy2]

14. I think...

...Bernie could be worried that the (500 unelected?) Super Delegates might not be Bernie fans or supporters and that the voice of the People (primary voter delegates) should dictate the winner...

...sounds reasonable to me...

[W_HAMILTON]

21. It's almost like pissing off almost an entire party...

...is a bad thing!

Maybe he should have thought about that before doing exactly that for the past half decade...

[HarlanPepper]

38. He should be worried.

[Lexblues]

16. I couldn't careless if there's a melee at the convention

If Bernie is leading in delegates, I have no problem with him losing on the 2nd ballot to a more electable candidate. Our democracy is on the line.

[Moderateguy]

17. I think that will happen with a possible

Biden/Warren consensus ticket

[DanTex]

23. Yeah, I was disappointed that not even one other person stood for that principle.

[ehrnst]

24. Who says Bernie doesn't change?

I've seen several examples of it lately...

[TwilightZone]

28. Why did he reverse his position from 2016?

"Sanders Campaign Now Embraces Superdelegates As Key To Nomination"

"Despite badly lagging in the delegate count, Bernie Sanders' campaign manager told NPR the campaign believes Sanders can and will be the Democratic nominee by winning over superdelegates at the 11th hour."

NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/478705022/sanders-campaign-now-says-superdelegates-are-key-to-winning-nomination

[DanTex]

29. Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO.

[Demsrule86]

31. Nice try Dan...the rule change was after the 2016 primary...so the poster in not in jeopardy.

The convention was ahead...but it was over.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

26. I know, I know! (waving hand wildly) its cos hes the one who most likely ends up with the most

delegates - duh! Of course he thinks it should be him.

Or so it looks as of this moment in time....

[Demsrule86]

30. The ironic thing about this...is Sanders wanted that rule change...haha. Karma is a bitch.

The fact is we can't have a nominee with only 30% of the vote...so on the second ballot there will likely be a bloodfest. I hope we have some who drop out and prevent this...but consider...50% of Sanders voters won't vote for anyone but him and he isn't bringing in enough new voters to make up for those he will lose...so what choice do we have? Hopefully we can appeal to more moderate voters and forge a new coalition (50 state strategy) where we don't have the left/greens wrecking our elections as in the 70's, the 80's, 2000,2004,2010,2014 and of course 2016 where they helped elect Trump by voting for Stein...some of this sort now work for Sanders...Stein voter. (gag)

[corbettkroehler]

35. You Have That Backwards, As Usual - Superdelegates As Supposed To Be Tie Breakers

Sanders' reforms of the nominating process restored the superdelegates to their rightful role. They originally were created as tie breakers but the DNC had deviated from that tradition in recent decades. That's why they were contentious in 2016. Many of them had been locked down months before a single state has voted in a caucus or primary. Not so this cycle!

Now, they are back they way they are supposed to be, as Sanders requested.

Link to tweet

[corbettkroehler]

34. Let's Settle This - Sanders Was Right (As Corroborated By A Past Nominee)

Link to tweet

[MineralMan]

39. The convention rules are designed to end up with

a candidate having a majority before getting the nomination. The number of delegates at the start of the convention is irrelevant, unless one candidate has a majority of them. There is a sequence of ballots that gets followed. In it, nonviable candidates (less than 15%) get dropped from the next ballot. Their delegates are then free to vote for someone else. I can conceive of this convention going as far as three ballots before there is a majority candidate.

That is not a "brokered" convention, or even a "contested" convention. That is a Democratic nominating convention, with rules that will be followed which eliminate nonviable candidate after each ballot. Before long, someone has a majority, and it might well not be the one who came in with the most delegates at the beginning.

Sorry, Bernie! That's how it works. If you were a Democrat all the time, you'd understand the system. it's used all the way down to the precinct level in the party.

[krissey]

40. First he was adamantly against super delegates while being one. Then the convention he was for

super delegates to override HRC's easy win. Now he is against them again. How can people just ify the hypocrisy and seriously pose this question?

[NurseJackie]

44. I have decided who it will be, but the candidate I choose will have INTEGRITY!

Just sayin'. (I thought you might be interested in knowing.)

[krissey]

45. Thanks for the heads up. Integrity is our friend, for sure.