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I *WANT* an Angry Woman as My President, Actually
So dont tell me Warrens anger is a problem.
By Liz Plank
Feb 20, 2020
Senator Elizabeth Warren has spent most of her presidential campaign playing nice as everyones favorite teacher who has SO. MANY. PLANS. But at last nights Democratic debate in Nevada, she cracked her knuckles, threw some bows, and basically destroyed every single electability argument the media has tossed her way since she announced her run. Then she ate Michael Bloombergs ego for dessert.
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While many pundits celebrated the senators feisty performance, others played into the sexist trope of the mean, angry woman. (Original, thanks.) As its been argued by authors Brittney Cooper, Rebecca Traister, Soraya Chemaly, and several other feminist thinkers, people are still uncomfortable with female anger, despite it being one of the greatest catalysts for historical and lasting social change.
And even though our culture haaaaates angry women, they love to erase them when theyre not angry enough: After a third place performance in the Iowa Caucus, cable news cut away from Warrens speech and she was basically left out of the coverage the next day. Despite being one of the clear front-runners in this race, she wasnt even included in a poll about presidential matchups. How does that make sense?
Even after last nights explosive performance, one headline from the New York Times appearing to recap the debate made no mention of Warren. Its a classic double standard thats almost impossible to escape. We ignore women by nature and then get confused and uncomfortable when theyre forced to elbow their way in.
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But heres the mind-blowing truth: Warrens anger is a great thing. Shes not using it to fight for herself. Shes fighting for the less privileged, a trait I actually really, really want in a leader. For instance, during the debate, she was furious as she stood up for the thousands of men of color who have been stopped and frisked, the millions of black and brown families who were preyed upon with redlining, and children with disabilities who faced budget cuts while billionaires got a tax break this year.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)and it had to happen
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
2naSalit
(86,586 posts)and she delivered in probably the best way possible. All the women in the audience were with her and Amy for much of the night. I thought it was like "Ladies Night in Vegas" and I was thrilled to see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hibbing
(10,098 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...in his essay on Dickens. It is a very good, positive thing, and we've badly been in need of it for many years in American life. SPW has it, in spades...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
not fooled
(5,801 posts)American people getting tired of being screwed is a good thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)We need to revolt against the status quo--the cheating, the money in politics, the greed, AND the income inequality. Who has had her entire adult life devoted to fighting all that?
Senator Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)I didnt see anger. Just firm prosecution of the truth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,600 posts)so they get lazy and call it 'anger'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patphil
(6,172 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,053 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:34 PM - Edit history (2)
not held up as a great thing, certainly articles wouldn't get written about them, because men are the standard for "normal." Watch a woman behave the same way and everyone needs to minister to her, as if she's abnormal.
No one gives female leaders the objective, trusting respect of normality that they give men. Even men on the street. They've always got to smile. Explain and justify their negative feelings.
Sure, anger is occasional. But it's silly for people to use it as the go-to label for every negative look or statement that we don't understand, like or can't even read.
Has she been ASKED what she feels? Interpreting women's feelings is usually the first unfair and disrespectful practice that audiences and media unnecessarily impose on women leaders.
I saw Warren as calculated and indignant, laying out facts that raise issues about her cohorts' electability. But first, IF she SAYS she was angry, THEN we can ask why, and then write articles from that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Are fierce and protective. Warren is a mama bear. That's what we need.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassler
(3,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)She said a few things I really didn't like... at all. But she said other things that were on point and important.
Both she and Klobuchar are getting kicked with the "angry woman" thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wallyworld2
(375 posts)In fact I donate to both Senator Sanders and Senator Warren.
They are both worthy candidates, with very progressive Democratic values.
I think in either administration, working people, minorities, disabled, poor people will be well represented by both candidates.
But I do think as the leader of our nation, Senator Warren would be a face the world would respect and unlike dotard, our adversaries
would learn to take her at her word.
I think she could bring a dignity to the office of President that would reassure the world we are back on track to the nation we claim
to be.
We have so much damage to repair from the three short years dotard has been in office. It will take decades to repair, if ever.
But of all the candidates I think Senator Warren and Senator Sanders would make those repairs their top priorities.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bitterross
(4,066 posts)I would love an angry woman as President. I've said many, many times here my biggest problem with Obama is that he didn't pursue the banksters that caused the 2008 crisis. He was too fucking nice and not angry enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Well directed anger is exactly what we need.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)But I will say that a number of Democratic women commented negatively about Warren's debate performance today.
Really surprised me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,053 posts)candidate than anything else. If their candidate had that performance they would be excited and thrilled.
I think every one of us want to see our nominee possess the skills and guts to take a hammer to Trump right through Election Day.
And then arrest him on Jan 21, 2021.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sellitman
(11,606 posts)Between mayor Pete's performance last night and Warren's performance last night I have switched my candidate from mayor Pete to Elizabeth Warren. She would wipe dump out in a debate so fast you wouldn't know what hit him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AllyCat
(16,186 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sellitman
(11,606 posts)Pete was very condescending toward Amy.
It was ugly. It was a side of him that is unacceptable to me in a Primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hangaleft
(649 posts)Warren is a warrior who recognizes that we are in a cold war for our democracy and the other guys arent our opponents, theyre the enemy.
Any candidate who talks of working across the aisle and/or moving forward without looking back does not have my support. If one of those candidates gets the nod, he or she will get my vote, but it wont be an enthusiastic vote and I will hold my nose.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Greywing
(1,124 posts)have been holding on to it wanting to make a thoughtful decision as this maybe the most important election in my lifetime (and I'm 63). After last night my selection of Elizabeth Warren is marked and I can't wait to get it turned in next week when my polling drop off site opens.
I've just admired this woman so much through the years (a big thank you to President Obama for bringing her to national attention) and I really trust that she will do the right thing for America.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hangaleft
(649 posts)Im also a longtime supporter of Senator Warren. Ive supported her candidacy for the presidency since she announced her candidacy for the Senate! Shes been my choice since Day 1 and Ive never waivered. I have no second choice. Liz is the one. Our best candidate for president since Walter Mondale. Thats a 36-year wait for me to enthusiastically support a candidate for president.
We need Liz!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DavidDvorkin
(19,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Capt. America
(2,477 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dchill
(38,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Wholeheartedly!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,166 posts)She was angry back then and the Dems needed an angry woman to clean up the corruption after W and Cheney. But I supported Obama when he became our candidate. I still think Hillary would have been a great president.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Locrian
(4,522 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)performance. I'd cheerfully campaign for her, and feel great with her in the WH.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
joost5
(421 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nitram
(22,794 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)We want a fighter. The way she took down Bloomberg is a preview of coming attractions what she will do to Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AllyCat
(16,186 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)Blind, ignorant rage against everyone "not one of us", as powers Trumpism, needs to be shut out of government.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden