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Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:25 PM Feb 2020

Can the party that demanded Al Franken's resignation nominate Bloomberg for president?

Bloomberg's sexism is well-documented compared to just allegations against Franken. What would that say about us as a party?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Can the party that demanded Al Franken's resignation nominate Bloomberg for president? (Original Post) Yavin4 Feb 2020 OP
Plenty of people are willing to excuse bigoted behavior, as long as the person doing it is *our* WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #1
though with Franken, some Dems turned on one of our own. n/t thesquanderer Feb 2020 #8
and ha$ the proper a$$ets Kurt V. Feb 2020 #35
Yep. What are gonna do? Stay home? underthematrix Feb 2020 #2
Actually they did stay home in 2016 Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #9
You're right. Black people were manipulated by anything to do with race. underthematrix Feb 2020 #18
Sorry I'll take facts over anecdotal stories Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #20
That's not what hurts black and brown people. What really hurts them are the underthematrix Feb 2020 #21
"Who operated with impunty during his tenure" Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #22
I'm African American. I don't take it personally. underthematrix Feb 2020 #23
And the choice that we give them will be "Mr. Stop and Frisk" vs. Trump. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #14
African Americans believe America is racist and MOST white people are underthematrix Feb 2020 #19
+1 mdelaguna Feb 2020 #30
A party should not nominate someone who hasn't released his taxes OnDoutside Feb 2020 #3
I agree. But we have to go with what we've got. underthematrix Feb 2020 #32
With news of that WP story, this is disintegrating at a rapid rate. OnDoutside Feb 2020 #33
Do you have any source -- even unsubstantiated -- that Bloomberg improperly touched women? Hoyt Feb 2020 #4
We should nominate Trump. Turbineguy Feb 2020 #5
Which of our candidates publicly called for Franken to resign? Kaleva Feb 2020 #6
Yep. I know. defacto7 Feb 2020 #15
Sanders and Warren Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #17
Ugh redqueen Feb 2020 #34
Gillibrand's gone, thankfully. NellieStarbuck Feb 2020 #37
Warren called for Franken to resign the same day Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #39
I'm pissed he was forced to resign. Raftergirl Feb 2020 #7
If we nominate Bloomberg, we have to STFU about several things we have on Trump. n/t brewens Feb 2020 #10
Those issues were litigated in 2016 and shouldn't be brought up now... brooklynite Feb 2020 #25
Here's the full list of Senators who called on Franken to resign. Kaleva Feb 2020 #11
There were a lot of senators on that list. A lot. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #13
But they will. Kaleva Feb 2020 #16
That was a move to take a possible rival for the nomination, Mme. Defarge Feb 2020 #12
I wasn't aware that "the Party" demanded Al Franken's resignation. brooklynite Feb 2020 #24
The party didn't; some individual party memebers did so for self-promotion LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #26
"some individual party members" You mean like his colleagues in the senate? Yavin4 Feb 2020 #31
Yep; it was clearly self serving. It killed Gillibrand's campaign, and will bite others if it comes up LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #40
Elected folk demanded his resignation, not the people. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #27
I would expect lots to be written about meaningless virtue signalling, redqueen Feb 2020 #28
Yes! Lunabell Feb 2020 #29
No! YOHABLO Feb 2020 #36
... LexVegas Feb 2020 #38
Bingo! I want Al Franken back in the Senate. Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #41
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,359 posts)
1. Plenty of people are willing to excuse bigoted behavior, as long as the person doing it is *our*
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

bigot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
8. though with Franken, some Dems turned on one of our own. n/t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
35. and ha$ the proper a$$ets
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:08 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
2. Yep. What are gonna do? Stay home?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

African Americans don't have that luxury. We're gonna vote for whoever is on the DEM ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
9. Actually they did stay home in 2016
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:44 PM
Feb 2020

Data shows that the AA vote was much less in 2016 than 2012. Expect the same or worse in 2020 if Bloomberg is the nominee.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
18. You're right. Black people were manipulated by anything to do with race.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:08 PM
Feb 2020

They just couldn't see past it especially when some of it was coming from inside the party. A lot of African Americans like Bloomberg. My sister only talks positively about two candidates BIDEN and BLOOMBERG and her millennial will vote just like her. When I went to the senior lunch one of my lunch partners said he voted for Pete B. while the others were talking about only two candidates BIDEN and BLOOMBERG. They said no to Sanders due to his heart attack and no to Warren because they didn't like her attack on Bloomberg and some said they simply didn't like her. And in my small town ,in my neighborhood there was only one sign for the presidential election and it was for BLOOMBERG. Interesting.

African Americans will come out in droves this time because President Obama can make the case for a DEM president with EVIDENCE. Everyone wants Russian Agent Trump out of the White House.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
20. Sorry I'll take facts over anecdotal stories
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:14 PM
Feb 2020

And the facts are Bloomberg's policies have hurt AA and your lone example does not refute how people will vote when it comes to a candidate with his history, when they didn't do it with someone like Hillary who won the AA vote by huge numbers in the primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
21. That's not what hurts black and brown people. What really hurts them are the
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:23 PM
Feb 2020

crime families and communities who operated with impunity during his tenure. They were Russian, Ukranian, Israeli, Italian and other eastern European groups. These people had control of the systems that would normally protect the equal protection rights of black and brown people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
22. "Who operated with impunty during his tenure"
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:27 PM
Feb 2020

Not much of an endorsement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
23. I'm African American. I don't take it personally.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

It's not like they're applying to be my bestie or moving my house or sex with me. They're all great no matter what their record is compared to Russian Agent Traitor Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
14. And the choice that we give them will be "Mr. Stop and Frisk" vs. Trump.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:01 PM
Feb 2020

How do you generate enthusiasm for that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
19. African Americans believe America is racist and MOST white people are
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:10 PM
Feb 2020

racist. For example, they consider Sander's attempt to primary President Obama a racist move.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
3. A party should not nominate someone who hasn't released his taxes
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:29 PM
Feb 2020

Or released their FULL medical records.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
32. I agree. But we have to go with what we've got.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:45 PM
Feb 2020

The lives of black and brown people are on the line if #RussianAgentTrump gets a second term.

I'm voting for BIDEN in the primary and I'll vote for Bernie in the general if he's the nominee.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
33. With news of that WP story, this is disintegrating at a rapid rate.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Do you have any source -- even unsubstantiated -- that Bloomberg improperly touched women?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:31 PM
Feb 2020

Unfortunately, Franken did. Although, I think it was more innocent than many people thought.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turbineguy

(37,348 posts)
5. We should nominate Trump.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:32 PM
Feb 2020

That way there's no way we could lose the election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,313 posts)
6. Which of our candidates publicly called for Franken to resign?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
17. Sanders and Warren
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:07 PM
Feb 2020

Among the current candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
34. Ugh
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:59 PM
Feb 2020

I had managed to forget that, at least for a while.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NellieStarbuck

(266 posts)
37. Gillibrand's gone, thankfully.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:18 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
39. Warren called for Franken to resign the same day
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:41 PM
Feb 2020

Why the double standard?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Raftergirl

(1,287 posts)
7. I'm pissed he was forced to resign.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:36 PM
Feb 2020

And I blame my own Senator for leading the charge.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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brewens

(13,598 posts)
10. If we nominate Bloomberg, we have to STFU about several things we have on Trump. n/t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:48 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
25. Those issues were litigated in 2016 and shouldn't be brought up now...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:23 PM
Feb 2020

We have plenty of new items to focus on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,313 posts)
11. Here's the full list of Senators who called on Franken to resign.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:53 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
13. There were a lot of senators on that list. A lot.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020

It will be really difficult and awkward for them to then go out and campaign for Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,313 posts)
16. But they will.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:05 PM
Feb 2020

Warren said in the last debate she will support Bloomberg if he's the nominee

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Mme. Defarge

(8,034 posts)
12. That was a move to take a possible rival for the nomination,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:56 PM
Feb 2020

and no doubt a strong one at that. Hell, he probably would have been way ahead as a candidate at this point. And I would not have to reregister as a Democrat to vote as one in my state’s primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
24. I wasn't aware that "the Party" demanded Al Franken's resignation.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
26. The party didn't; some individual party memebers did so for self-promotion
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:23 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
31. "some individual party members" You mean like his colleagues in the senate?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:43 PM
Feb 2020

From post #11

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175

Who will be asked on the campaign trail about this over and over again?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
40. Yep; it was clearly self serving. It killed Gillibrand's campaign, and will bite others if it comes up
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
27. Elected folk demanded his resignation, not the people. nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:24 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
28. I would expect lots to be written about meaningless virtue signalling,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:25 PM
Feb 2020

selective enforcement, and a dearth of actual values.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Lunabell

(6,089 posts)
29. Yes!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:27 PM
Feb 2020

How many NDA's does he have?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
41. Bingo! I want Al Franken back in the Senate.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:36 AM
Feb 2020

We need him. Unlike trump, I believe he has learned his lesson.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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