Plea to Amy, Pete and Liz!

[cherryinpa]

Please drop out immediately.

You know and we all know that the ONLY viable opposition to Bernie is Biden and he simply cannot succeed with the moderate vote so divided. The members of this party need a viable choice and we cannot allow Bernie to reach nomination without a valid choice. Yes, we must support him if he is nominated but you’ve all seen the shocking events of the last 24 hours.

It’s time to put country before yogurt personal ambitions and let the moderate support coalesce behind Biden and then we have a fair decision,

[we can do it]

1. Just stop.

[SCantiGOP]

29. Let's remember

How to use the Ignore and Trash this Thread functions.
This OP is an excellent chance to practice those actions.

[Sunsky]

60. +1

[Squinch]

2. The problem with this is that everyone has a different list. I think the remainders should

be Liz and Biden. Real choice, both great candidates for different reasons.

[cherryinpa]

6. I'd vote for anyone of them

But Biden is the true alternative and has a robust block in SC.

United under him SC becomes a true choice.

Bernie’s vision or Biden’s.

[sweetloukillbot]

30. Warren can bring in both sides nt

[DeeDeeNY]

55. You lost me at yogurt

[rzemanfl]

3. My yogurt has no ambition at all. n/t

[ChubbyStar]

10. I am kind of waiting for my oatmeal to announce a thesis soon

Why is shit so weird?

[rzemanfl]

17. Did you catch the typo? Predictive is a curse. n/t

[Squinch]

18. See, this is where I think you are wrong. If you would only give it a chance...

[rzemanfl]

19. LOL. Typos lead to all sorts of stuff. Predictive is a curse.

I do, but it keeps hitting its sell by date.

[Squinch]

20. Ageist.

[rzemanfl]

41. Good one. If you saw the poll I posted the other day

I am an "ageist asshat" to some.

[Squinch]

44. I didn't! Are you really?

[rzemanfl]

46. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287537727

[Garrett78]

35. Mine does. It wants to be antibiotic but keeps failing. And it would rather not be Greek due to...

...austerity measures.

[Tipperary]

40. Bwaha!

[PatSeg]

49. I'm never giving up my yogurt!!!

[rzemanfl]

51. My yogurt writes outrageous things then hides in the back of the fridge, plotting.

Gonna switch to cottage cheese even though it makes me think of thighs.

[PatSeg]

58. Yogurt cannot and will not be controlled!

[rzemanfl]

59. Back in the late sixties I ordered one carton of yogurt in each flavor for the dairy department

I was in charge of in a supermarket as my summer job. I had to stock everything whether it sold or not. I replaced them when they expired. I think one actually sold once. Plain, for a recipe.

Yogurt was under control back then. Then it went wild because of students and hippies.

[Devil Child]

66. Either does mine but it's quite cultured n/t

[LakeArenal]

4. No. Do not dropout.

As some of the few real democrats. Who abided by all the rules. Been Dems for long time or forever.

Stay the course.

[BlueMTexpat]

5. Did you watch the LV debate?

The Unhinged One would eat Biden alive!

I believe that I am safe in saying that none of the three will follow your advice.

[cherryinpa]

8. Yes

Warren definitely was strong, but can she get the numbers to even challenge Bernie.

Biden we know can, he’s got the track record and the relationship with all the groups.

Even the Bernie bro’s will eventually get behind him under the right circumstances.

[BlueMTexpat]

23. Warren's going to persist

and that counts for a LOT.

Biden has a LOT of baggage based on his LONG legislative career AND he hasn't really been able to break out of the pack. He's a good guy, but he really can NOT stand up to the Unhinged Moron.

Most importantly, NO "Bernie Bros" will get behind ANY Dem candidate that they believe is "establishment." Period.

If you believe otherwise, then you need to review the history of the 2016 election. Bernie Bros did NOT get behind HRC, who was one huckuva LOT more qualified than Biden.

[Doremus]

52. More so-called "Bernie Bros" voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters voted for Obama.

Kind of trashes your argument but feel free to keep repeating it. What is it they say: repeat a lie often enough and eventually people believe it.

[BlueMTexpat]

62. That is pure and

simple BS.

Please cite to link from a credible source for that statement, or delete it altogether.

[Doremus]

70. Here are some links to get started.

A couple of the Clinton links are to polls which I realize aren't actual results but there are other sources speaking about it post-election. The point being that "Bernie Bros" voted for Trump in the same numbers as past elections with other candidates/parties. The lies about Bernie supporters refusing to vote for the eventual nominee in mass numbers is the BS here.

Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

If McCain vs. Obama, 28% of Clinton Backers Go for McCain

https://news.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx

Angry Clinton supporters toast McCain, roast Obama

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/26/clinton.backers/

New MTSU Poll: 22% Of Hillary Supporters Will Vote For McCain

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/blog/20411829/new-mtsu-poll-22-of-hillary-supporters-will-vote-for-mccain

More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

[BlueMTexpat]

72. I see that some links you mention

seem to keep repeating what you say.

But - as you also say - some are polls and others are pre-2008 election articles.

I admit that I skimmed these over quickly, but I did NOT find any that gave a percentage or a number of Clinton primary voters who did NOT vote for Obama in 2020. Can you please point me to something that actually gives that percentage?

In any event, you still seem to miss the point. "Bernie Bros" are a radical subset of Bernie's supporters; they certainly do NOT represent the majority.

The majority of Sanders supporters are good Democrats and/or thinking people who are disillusioned with the current system but who will indeed line up behind the GE candidate - even if that candidate is NOT Bernie. I truly wish that they would support Warren now instead. She is the REAL DEAL; not a pseudo-deal. You seem to have recognized that in your own choice - at least for the moment and kudos to you for that.

"Bernie Bros" will NOT line up behind ANY Dem candidate who is NOT Bernie. Period.

I would bet that nearly ALL of the 12 percent of Bernie primary voters who went for Trump in 2016 were the radical subset known as "Bernie Bros." But I would also bet that "Bernie Bros" who did not vote for Trump voted for Jill Stein instead.

I defy anyone to present facts that will demonstrate otherwise.

[Garrett78]

38. Yeah, Warren on a debate stage vs. Trump would go much, much better for us...

...than Biden vs. Trump. Biden's general election trajectory would likely follow the path of his primary trajectory. He's just not good at this, and seems to have lost a step.

[jmg257]

7. No, thank you.

That is all.

[Peacetrain]

9. Absolutely NOT!!! stay in this.. wait and see what Super Tuesday gives us

[FBaggins]

11. Not "Liz"

If your goal is to stop Bernie and have Biden get the nomination... Warren needs to stay in.

I haven’t seen anything recent, but previous polling showed the overwhelming majority of her supporters had Sanders as their second choice. If she drops out now, Super Tuesday would be a bloodbath.

Also... there’s no way to convince Bloomberg to clear the lane for Biden, and Warren looks like she’s doing the best job of skewering him.

[David__77]

12. Ha I like "yogurt personal ambitions."

Yogurt commercials do sometimes involve self-worth.

[LAS14]

13. Liz should not drop out. Too many of her people would go to Bernie. nt

[BlueMTexpat]

25. This one NEVER would.

Just sayin'

But Biden is NOT my second choice either.

[Bradshaw3]

48. I mostly agree

Bernie is not my second choice for several reasons. I guess it's Pete because I think he has the chops to take on drumpf, even though I wish he had more experience (but hey those things don't seem to matter as much anymore). Warrren is still far and away my No. 1 and would unite the party and beat drumpf.

[BlueMTexpat]

61. I agree

100 per cent with your last sentence!

I keep vacillating between 2 & 3, but am totally sold on #1!

[Shrek]

14. Faulty premise

You can't just assume that if they drop out their supporters would immediately gravitate to Biden. For all you know some significant portion of them would go to Sanders instead.

This is on the voters, not the candidates. If you want Biden to stand alone against Sanders then do the work of convincing people to support him.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

39. If they stay in they have more control over their delegates than the people who may vote for them.

[Squinch]

15. This OP is getting a very negative reaction, but I wholeheartedly agree with the author's idea that

we need to coalesce and coalesce NOW if we have a chance in November.

I don't know how we accomplish that. But we do need to do it.

[jimfields33]

34. Shouldn't the candidate with the lesser delegates leave of the four mentioned?

Hint......weirdly it’s the candidate the poster wants saved. Hmmmm. Weirdest thread ever!

[Squinch]

36. I'd like our candidates to be our choice. Not the choice of a hostile country.

[jimfields33]

57. I just want a candidate

I’m just glad most want mine.

[jmg257]

16. NO! Can we PLEASE stop having the Russians and the republicans control who WE vote for???

Its MY vote, - you very much.

[Moderateguy]

21. I don't agree

I agree with you that Bernie needs to stop and the moderates have to rally around one candidate to make it happen but only they get to decide when the right time to drop out is.

[2naSalit]

22. Hahaha! (((GONG!!)))

You obviously don't understand primary elections very well do you?

[SWBTATTReg]

24. I disagree w/ you. It is way too early for these 3 still very strong contenders for the role of ...

being the democratic nominee for the office of the president and VP.

This is just another cry of desperation in that 'oh no, we'll lose for sure' (if we seemingly continue down this path of chaos)!

Time to put Country first before personal ambitions? Fair decision? I strongly think that the fair decision is what we all decide at the Democratic National Convention, where the candidate with the most number of delegates wins. As usual. As it should be. If you are wanting everybody to roll over and play dead, NO. I want this political process to go through as it should. It is a long established, well respected American tradition that we all get together, hash everything out, and then go forth, together.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. They have every right to stay in for as long as they have financial support.

Each of them probably also believes the others should drop out so they can represent the moderate vote.

[CalFione]

28. I say whoever comes in 2nd today stays in and the others leave

If Liz comes in second, then Biden should bow out.

[Hoyt]

31. As much as I fear results, this has to play out.

[empedocles]

32. Ah, Amy, Pete, and Liz, - and Bernie especially [he's sucking up trump scandal air time]

Bloomie stay in as long as he only attacks dirtydonnie - we need that.

[jimfields33]

33. Wow!

I can’t believe this. The nerve of asking 3 candidates with more delegates to leave for someone with less. What nerve!!!!

[snowybirdie]

37. Perhaps Bernie

should drop out in light of interference by Putin to his Candidacy? The patriotic thing to do!

[denem]

42. We've got a live one here.

[TexasBushwhacker]

43. Let's get through Super Tuesday before asking candidates to drop out

Super Tuesday is 10 days away and it includes Texas and California. Let THE PEOPLE have a choice.

[Laelth]

45. It's early days. No need to panic.

Besides, my preferred candidate has more delegates than Biden does, at this point. Why should he drop out?



-Laelth

[Tarc]

47. Liz is on Bernie's side

If she drops, much of her support goes his way.

[Bradshaw3]

50. Not necessarily

I think her many female supporters would look to Amy or Pete, for various reasons.

[Tarc]

54. Amy doesn't have a position on much of anything, and Pete is a younger version of Biden

Team Liz is smarter than that.

[Garrett78]

63. FWIW, among those under 45, more of Bernie's supporters are women than men.

By no means am I suggesting all of Warren's women supporters will gravitate toward Sanders, but it's likely that many would.

And, as hard as it is for DUers to accept, many supporters of other candidates would also move over to Sanders if 2nd choice polling is any indication. I wouldn't dispute the notion that a majority of supporters of non-Sanders candidates wouldn't choose Sanders if their preferred candidate were to exit the race, but I think the number who would is far greater than some believe. I think the idea that Sanders is capped at 25-30%, regardless of how many are in the race, is false.

[Bradshaw3]

64. I think you are right on all points n/t

[aikoaiko]

53. Country before yogurt!!! Damn you probiotics!

[pamdb]

56. dropping out

I really want Amy and Pete to drop out. Liz, not so much. Like to see it narrow down to Joe, Liz and Bernie. Liz is sort of I'm the middle. Amy and Pete are sucking votes from Joe. They don't have a chance and I wish they would realize it before super tuesday. Maybe as VP...

[DesertRat]

65. Sorry, I can't put my country before yogurt

Especially not frozen yogurt.

[democrattotheend]

67. If anything, Warren staying in helps whoever is annointed as the Bernie alternative

She probably takes as many if not more votes from Bernie as from other candidates.

[Renew Deal]

68. How is a person that hasn't finished higher than 4th more viable than someone that won a state

and finished under 2% away in another?

[LAS14]

69. How about Steyer? He may show how much money/advertising counts in these caucuses. nt

[totodeinhere]

71. It's up to the voters. Nothing is stopping them from voting for Joe Biden no matter

how many other "moderate" candidates are in the race.

[Raine]

73. NO, absolutely NO! 👎 nt