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[applegrove]

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[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Everyone knows this!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Sloumeau]

2. Actually, I think it depends upon the situation.

If Bernie lied about something, and then you said he lied about that something, that would not be gaslighting--that would be being honest. By the way, under the strictest definition, gaslighting is when someone makes someone else believe that they are going crazy. Saying someone is lying when they are not is really just being dishonest--being untruthful yourself.

[still_one]

7. Exactly. Without context from the OP it means nothing

[W_HAMILTON]

3. What are you even talking about?

It depends in what is being referred to.

Earlier today I said that Sanders lied when he claimed to have won Iowa in his recent ads. That is most certainly true -- he did lie.

[applegrove]

4. I changed 'lying' to 'dishonest' in the OP. Many Bernie Sanders supporters

connect with him because of his honesty. To deny them that is more than insulting.

[Cha]

5. Thank You. I'm done here.

[emmaverybo]

6. Calling out Bernie for a significant lie is not gaslighting. Saying he won when he didn't is a BFD.

[NurseJackie]

8. It's DISHONEST to say that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt".

It's DISHONEST to say that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's DISHONEST to say that Democrats are "feeble". It's DISHONEST to say that Democrats are "corrupt". It's DISHONEST to say that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's DISHONEST to say that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's DISHONEST to say that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's DISHONEST to say that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's DISHONEST to say that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's DISHONEST to say that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's DISHONEST to say that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also DISHONEST to say that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also DISHONEST to say that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.

What good purpose does it serve to promote this kind of dishonesty? It's divisive. It weakens us by creating resentment and suspicion. It makes new voters less willing to support Democrats if they're continually being told that "their vote doesn't matter" and that "the election is rigged" and that "both sides are the same anyway".

That kind of negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.