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Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:17 PM

 

The dynamics of the race are changing fast. Negativity will not work

News that Sanders is preparing a round of attack ads on Biden will backfire. So far in this cycle, going negative has not worked well at all. When HRC make comments about Sanders, his numbers bumped up each time. When Liz went negative in the debates, her numbers dropped. When Pete went after Amy after Iowa, it was roundly criticized and his position in the race dropped back. There are many more examples. People are sick of this garbage, we get it every day from Trump, and most will not tolerate it from a Democratic nominee - especially attacking an ally. Save it for the real enemies: Trump, Moscow Mitch and the Russian/GOP/NRA cabal. Biden does not have the strong negatives of HRC, and is widely viewed as a nice and fair gentleman. Attacks by Sanders on Biden are strongly discouraged by this observer.

Sanders has plateaued at 30%-ish, and cannot easily win the other 70% unless he changes the character of his campaign, which is highly improbable, since it would require a change in Sanders' personal character, and the removal of several key aides. In 2016, it was at this point, in early March as things starting heading south for the campaign, that Sanders went full-on scorched Earth. It was an amateur move, damaged his credibility then, and will destroy his slim chances when he does it now. I see no path for him to gain the 50%+1 that will be required to win the nomination.

Bloomberg is out now, and without him in the race, coupled with early voting already in, Biden would likely have won CA last night, also.

I've supported Warren since 2012, and love her, and only changed to Biden late last night. I wish she was viable, but it appears that the glass ceiling applies with progressive candidates as surely as it does in the other lanes. Shocking to me, really. Liz is going to get out soon. She had one narrow path, which required winning MA, and finishing at least second in CA and TX. Whether she thinks she can go on depends on her belief that this will be a contested convention. It won't be, mark my words. She will support Biden, perhaps a bit reluctantly, and will, quite rightly, continue to push for big, bold change. As is shown by the many people here who have moved from Warren to Biden already, most of Warren's supporters are going to go there. Of course, some will go Sanders' way, but the majority, IMO, don't really much like Sanders in the first place (or they'd already have picked him, and/or were former HRC supporters who want to see a woman in the White House) or, and an even bigger incentive, want her to have a seat at the table to get her agenda inserted into the government. We are not called "pragmatic progressives" for nothing - as they say, 20% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

The demeanor in the various speeches last night says it all. Watch the body language. The tide has turned.

Biden is not the timid, confused person that only wants status quo, that he is being portrayed as. That's all bullshit. He is smart, seasoned, and will hire the absolute best people to get the jobs done, and he WILL listen, compromise and work with whatever coalitions he can put together to find real solutions to our problems. He absolutely does not believe he is some sort of "stable genius", and instead has a genuine humility that will score major points around the world. I truly do believe that, even if he wasn't my first choice in this campaign. He's already made that clear with his comments to Beto, Amy and Pete (Beto in charge of gun policy!! YES!!)

Thank you to the huge crowds that turned out everywhere last night, to show us the "will of the people". And a special THANK YOU to the black community in particular, who refused to get pulled into the divisiveness and pettiness of the race, and made crystal clear who needs to be the candidate for the Democratic Party, so that we can beat Trump, keep the House, and hopefully, take back the Senate and a bunch of state-level races.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Reply The dynamics of the race are changing fast. Negativity will not work (Original post)
relayerbob Mar 2020 OP
Cha Mar 2020 #1
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #2
relayerbob Mar 2020 #4
bamagal62 Mar 2020 #3
Walleye Mar 2020 #5
relayerbob Mar 2020 #6
emmaverybo Mar 2020 #7

Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:20 PM

1. Yep and Thank you, relayerbob!

 

the Voters!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:21 PM

2. 2016 it was clear that sanders had no path and he spent a great part of time still

 

attacking Hillary and bernie bros were out in full force.

No reason to believe the same tact won;t be repeated. Fringe ideological elements don't care about the outcome as in if "we don;t get our way, nobody else will either".

2000 Nader and his extremist
2016 and the sanders extremist

we will see the same in now. all we can do is ignore as the noise it is
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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:26 PM

4. It *WILL* backfire on him

 

and encourage and strengthen Biden's supporters, while preparing them (us!) for the onslaught that will come when the GE race gets going in full force

If Sanders wants to win for real, he needs to capture the hearts and minds of the majority, After five years of nearly continuous campaigning, and hundreds of millions spent without getting that, it seems unlikely to happen now.

Our country is not made up of extremists, even if there are a lot of them on both sides of the spectrum. It's a Gaussian distribution (a big word most Trumpers won't understand, lol), with the majority wanting peace and real progress. People understand revolutions are nasty, messy and usually bloody affairs, with unpredictable, but usually negative outcomes. That's why our Founding Fathers gave us a voice in the first place
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:26 PM

3. I said this to my husband

 

Last night. People are tired of the anger and the negativity.
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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:28 PM

5. If we take the Senate, Warren gets chairman of the Finance Committee?

 

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Response to Walleye (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:29 PM

6. Would be a great place to start for sure!

 

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:53 PM

7. Thank you. Warren inspires real love in her many supporters who I find are often the fair and

 

balanced voices here. Of course I agree with your gracious appraisal of Biden.
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