Why would Warren endorse a guy that told her a woman could not win the Presidency?

[LexVegas]

Why would her supporters move their support to that same guy?

That boggles my mind.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I'm sure all those snake emojis will help.

[Arkansas Granny]

3. I must have missed something. What's the deal with snake emojis?

[awesomerwb1]

5. Bernard's supporters repeatedly called her a snake

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. And decorated their tweets with snake emojis to make the point.

[squirecam]

26. And rat emojis for Pete.

Gee, I wonder why everyone won’t #bendtheknee....

[Merlot]

2. Well, looks like he was right. There are no women viable candidates left

Bernie said what others didn't want to say - that sexism is still a factor. He never said that a woman could not do the job of being president. He never said he would not support a woman for president.

[MadLinguist]

6. But being said by this particular person, this particular candidate has a bit of self-fulfilling

prophecy about it. Maybe Bernie is lovably Aspergerish and such remarks can be seen as just tactless by a guy who calls em as he sees em, but to me, one of the responsibilities and skills that a politician ought to have a very tight hold on, is the effect of his or her actions, including speech. And I don't think I would be going out on limb to say that this responsibility encompasses accounting for the speech acts and their effects of those who support the politician in question.

[William769]

7. And he will pay for that.

[LizBeth]

22. So Sanders says it, calls Warren a liar on national tv. Ya, tell me about his integrity.

Then his supporters go all crazy and nasty on her. Right.

[ancianita]

4. Why would Warren endorse ANY male candidate. She needn't help or hurt either. Let 'em duke it out.

She can show up during the General, when the Trump-Parscale lie campaign is full on, and assassinate every lie on any platform, and so can Bloomberg.

[BlueMTexpat]

9. I endorse your

message!

[TwilightZone]

13. Endorsing Biden would make some sense.

It would further solidify the coalition behind him, though she may wait until the outcome of the primaries is clear.

Not that it isn't pretty clear now.

[ancianita]

14. Some. To a Biden supporter. But her 52% need to see what happens when Joe/Bernie duke it out.

Suburban women, black women, urban women, even, want to see how she's treated at the convention.

They have that right.

[TwilightZone]

16. I think most have already made up their minds.

Polls show them splitting roughly 50/50. They know all of the people involved and what they stand for. I don't think a debate or two is going to make much difference there.

She'll be treated very well at the convention. Why wouldn't she be? The only way I see it being a problem is if she endorsed Biden now and Bernie made a miracle comeback. Then, some of his supporters might treat her poorly as they did John Lewis and others in 2016. Otherwise, I think she'll have a prominent role there.

[ancianita]

18. It's also good to remember that the months ahead could change your projection. We'll see.

[TwilightZone]

23. Sure, but probably not.

The current prediction is 88% that Biden will have a majority of delegates before the convention and 538 says that the prediction is probably a little conservative. If Biden finishes this off in the coming weeks, focus will shift to November and the Warren/Sanders brouhaha will be long forgotten.

I doubt either Biden or Warren is going to do anything to cause friction in that time, reports of their relationship during the Obama administration notwithstanding. It's not 2014 anymore. Sanders might try to introduce some token friction about "rigging" or whatever, but I think there's going to be little or no tolerance for the kind of nonsense that happened in 2016. This election is too important.

[ancianita]

33. You're right. She won't. I don't know about you but I'm still waiting to see how the DNC treats her

at the convention. She could at least be on the major speech list. Even each woman who ran, for that matter. Consolation prizes for effort.

[LizBeth]

21. This. Neither deserve her endorsement. I wasn't thrilled with Biden supporters, either.

[dawg day]

27. Good point. Her voters are smart and aware--

She can trust them to make a good choice--
and then she can come out and turn her incisive clarity on eviscerating Trump.

[ancianita]

28. That serves democracy best, as she repeatedly points out. She's absolutely right.

[democrattotheend]

10. Because she agrees with him ideologically

And they were and may still be friends, despite that conversation. Truth is, a lot of people have expressed that same concern unfortunately. And he said it to her in a private conversation that she chose to make public - if he had been out there publicly saying it that would be a lot worse, IMO.

Also, she has a long history of being at odds with Biden that I didn't even know about until recently. I knew she was a thorn in the Obama administration's side pushing for more relief for homeowners and against the banks, but I didn't know until last week that she and Biden go back even further than that, to when she testified in front of his committee as a senator in the 1990's. It makes a lot of sense, given that he is from Delaware and she has a long history of fighting the big banks.

[Laelth]

36. It will be difficult for her to endorse Joe.

She will, in the end, I think, but it will be difficult. I don't think there's even a remote chance that she will endorse Bernie.

Odds are, she will remain neutral--at least until Joe reaches 1991.



-Laelth

[democrattotheend]

37. I can't see her endorsing Joe unless he wraps it up or Bernie concedes

Which I think Bernie will do if Joe has a plurality at the end of the primaries. He was pretty explicit about that on Rachel the other night.

My guess is she stays neutral until the end. TBH, the treatment she's received from Bernie's online supporters might be more of an excuse than anything. Biden is heavily favored at this point and if she endorses Bernie she'll weaken her standing in the party.

[BlueMTexpat]

11. Why should she endorse either right now?

As for moving support from Warren to either "guy" left running as a candidate in this forum, I am also not "endorsing."

My status here will remain "Undecided."

If anyone has a problem with that, please take it up with the Admins.

[ancianita]

12. +1

[zackymilly]

17. Plus call her a liar? n/t

[totodeinhere]

19. Sometimes campaigns can make strange bedfellows.

It's just like when JFK tapped LBJ to be his running mate. But having said that, I would be surprised if Senator Warren makes an endorsement before the convention.

[LizBeth]

20. Then called her a liar. Then off mike she challenges him and is attacked by supporters

and she loses points because of Sanders behavior. I agree. Bet she is still pissed about that. Liars don't care if you call them liars. Honest people? That goads them, the very worst.

[totodeinhere]

25. Those things were unfortunate but I think we need to get past these intramural disputes now and

and come together behind whoever our candidate turns out to be. It will most likely be Joe Biden but since this campaign has had so many rapid twists and turns so far we may need to let it play out for a bit longer.

[LizBeth]

29. No. Sanders and his supporters do not get five years of trashing me and unjustly presenting me

and expect me and all the other Democrats to just sing kumbaya. Life doesn't work that way> Five years of nasty doesn't get forgotten.

Boasting voting for Stein and hiring these people in the campaign with all us hurt by Trump. No.

Causing discourse in two primaries now that do not get to play out among Democrats, having Russia and Republicans fucking with us. No.

[totodeinhere]

30. I always thought that forgiveness was a virtue. And fortunately for me, I have done some stupid

things in my life for which I have been forgiven.

[LizBeth]

31. Ya? No. I pretty much had it figured had to walk life in intergirty. Pretty easy to do, and pretty

easy to see. I have not seen any of the shitty stuff owned by Sanders. He still sits in it. Didn't his person just go on tv today and state, FOR WARREN, that she hasn't endorsed him because of party pressure? See, shitty thing to do. Inherently dishonest. And that was just this morning. Shitty, thing to do to a person and on national tv. Takes a lack of character to behave like that.

[totodeinhere]

32. I'm sorry that you are so angry and bitter.

I hope that attitudes like this don't carry over to the general election campaign. As far as what his spokesperson said, I think it is legitimate to wonder what thought process Senator Warren is using right now. If she won't endorse Bernie then why doesn't she just endorse Joe? Or perhaps she has problems with both of them. I don't know.

[LizBeth]

34. Ah, the angry bitter woman. To wonder should not include putting words in her mouth on national tv.

That is irresponsible, disrespectful, and condescending, manipulative. Warren will endorse if and when she wants. As she has already stated. So no one needs to speak for her. Difference between respecting a woman's voice, and disrespecting a woman's voice. We know it well.

[totodeinhere]

38. I also said this prior to reading your messages.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=640581

You won't find anyone more supportive of women's right than I am. Just so you know.

[Act_of_Reparation]

24. Because the other guy's worse?

I know. Perish the thought.

[Jirel]

35. Because she is a pragmatist and understands politics.

Every. Damned. One. Of. Them. Has. Said. Something. Nasty. To. Or. About. Every. Other. One.

It doesn't matter if a politician is a Thuglican (incredible amounts of name calling, conspiracy theories about daddies taking part in the Kennedy assassination, you name it) or a Dem (accusations of misogyny or racism, cutting remarks about prosecutorial careers, attacks on integrity...). They all smack each other hard, and in the end they all set it aside to pull for the team, even if it seems impossible or downright stupid.

If, when the time comes, she feels Bernie is the better candidate, you better bet she'll endorse. She knows what the stakes are. Just like Bernie worked his tush off to help Hillary get elected last time 'round.