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I do not think you only have a right to health care if you have the money to afford it. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Mar 2020 OP
Thanks, most of us here feel that way. Hopefully, we'll get there with a Democrat who is electable Hoyt Mar 2020 #1
Everyone has a right to healthcare still_one Mar 2020 #2
Golly, Sir, There's Something Nobody Before 'Bernie' Ever Thought Or Said The Magistrate Mar 2020 #3
Never let an opportunity to bash Bernie go to waste. PuffedMica Mar 2020 #4
This Sort Of Puffery Is Just Silly, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #7
It does not need to be an original thought; it needs to be policy. PuffedMica Mar 2020 #15
Sanders Has Shown Himself Incapable Of Enacting Policy, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #19
You are telling me Bernie can't do it an Joe won't do it. PuffedMica Mar 2020 #20
A Pronoun Without a Referent, Sir, Is Useless The Magistrate Mar 2020 #21
"IT" stands for grammarian. PuffedMica Mar 2020 #22
So, Sir, Bernie Can't Do 'Grammarian' And Biden Won't Do 'Grammarian'? The Magistrate Mar 2020 #23
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #24
If You Feel Driven By That To Concede, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #25
I wasn't arguing with you, I was entertaining your fantasy that Joe would make a better President PuffedMica Mar 2020 #26
"Joe has won the nomination and Bernie is no longer a factor." sop Mar 2020 #27
Wait, what? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #28
Joe will pass a public option which will bring us to universal coverage... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #36
And in Bernie's years in Congress was never able to do that...and he never will can't get stuff done Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #35
You accuse other of puffery. n/t MarcA Mar 2020 #16
Sanders Engages In Puffery, Sir, Quite Often The Magistrate Mar 2020 #18
Pure grandstanding at this moment. Ellen Forradalom Mar 2020 #5
I Agree, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #8
Bernie devotees think every idea NCProgressive Mar 2020 #10
I wish everyone Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #11
I do too. Ellen Forradalom Mar 2020 #32
What I object to is confusing goals and implementation. Ellen Forradalom Mar 2020 #33
I Agree, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #34
Or return to North Hero and enjoy the new home he bought with CASH in 2016. George II Mar 2020 #31
"I do not think you only have a right to a chicken in your pot if you have the money to afford it".. George II Mar 2020 #13
That's not a novel concept. Clearly Joe Biden thinks so, too - that's why he called the ACA a "BFD"! George II Mar 2020 #6
This is old news NCProgressive Mar 2020 #9
DUH! beastie boy Mar 2020 #12
Neither do any of the Democrats that support universal healthcare. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #14
Right now this country is being run Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #17
Neither do I. Neither does Joe Biden. MineralMan Mar 2020 #29
Therefore, I will cause Dems to lose this election, so that every human being will have health care. gulliver Mar 2020 #30
As The Fallen Angel Said, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #37
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Thanks, most of us here feel that way. Hopefully, we'll get there with a Democrat who is electable
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:22 PM
Mar 2020

and plans that are passable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(93,770 posts)
2. Everyone has a right to healthcare
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
3. Golly, Sir, There's Something Nobody Before 'Bernie' Ever Thought Or Said
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:29 PM
Mar 2020

Jesus H Christ on a bouncing pogo-stick.

"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
4. Never let an opportunity to bash Bernie go to waste.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:33 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
7. This Sort Of Puffery Is Just Silly, Sir
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:43 PM
Mar 2020

Or do you imagine this is an original thought with Sanders?

Nigh on seventy years ago Mr. Truman attempted to proceed to this goal. The political forces opposed to it could not be overcome. The effort was renewed by Sen. Kennedy, and by Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. President Obama managed to take a good stride towards the goal. Democratic office-holders continue to work towards it.

Why are we supposed to come over all a'flutter because Sanders has disgorged yet another platitude? He has been sputtering about this for some time, and achieved nothing in particular towards its fruition. The only reasonable response to comments like this from Sanders is to treat them as the mere noise they are. They signify less than nothing.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
15. It does not need to be an original thought; it needs to be policy.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:44 PM
Mar 2020

Go ahead and bash Bernie some more. Other people are trying to help the country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
19. Sanders Has Shown Himself Incapable Of Enacting Policy, Sir
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:05 PM
Mar 2020

He has nothing anyone would regard as substantive legislative achievement. He talks, and he preens on his commitment to principles, and that is about all. The show has grown old and very, very tired.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
20. You are telling me Bernie can't do it an Joe won't do it.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:15 PM
Mar 2020

We are so screwed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
21. A Pronoun Without a Referent, Sir, Is Useless
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:17 PM
Mar 2020

For what does 'it' stand?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
22. "IT" stands for grammarian.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

Look it up wordsmith.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
23. So, Sir, Bernie Can't Do 'Grammarian' And Biden Won't Do 'Grammarian'?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:52 PM
Mar 2020

Any particular grammarian you have in mind?



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to The Magistrate (Reply #23)

 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
25. If You Feel Driven By That To Concede, Sir
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 07:42 PM
Mar 2020

I see no point in arguing with you....

"I'm going home now. Someone get me some frogs and some bourbon."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
26. I wasn't arguing with you, I was entertaining your fantasy that Joe would make a better President
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 07:47 PM
Mar 2020

Daydream away

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sop

(11,000 posts)
27. "Joe has won the nomination and Bernie is no longer a factor."
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

So, why hasn't Bernie dropped out of the primary? And why are Bernie's surrogates still pounding Biden for his old Senate votes?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(85,026 posts)
28. Wait, what?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 07:53 PM
Mar 2020

PuffedMica

By your own words:

Joe has won the nomination and Bernie is no longer a factor.


By your own words, Biden has won. Then the question remains, why has he not bowed out?


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(69,639 posts)
36. Joe will pass a public option which will bring us to universal coverage...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:15 PM
Mar 2020

That is possible...Sanders...doesn't deal in reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(69,639 posts)
35. And in Bernie's years in Congress was never able to do that...and he never will can't get stuff done
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:13 PM
Mar 2020

He talks and talks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
16. You accuse other of puffery. n/t
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:58 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
18. Sanders Engages In Puffery, Sir, Quite Often
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:02 PM
Mar 2020

It seems to be something of a hobby for the man, to make various pious noises in tones which are calculated to suggest no one else has ever said anything so radically progressive as what has just now left his mouth. Generally the things he says are not just trite, but reekily ancient, dating back decades. To all appearances, the man really has not had a new thought since about 1980, at the latest.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ellen Forradalom

(16,169 posts)
5. Pure grandstanding at this moment.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:34 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie would do well to return to Washington and do the job he was elected to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
8. I Agree, Ma'am
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:54 PM
Mar 2020

And it is worth pointing out that 'MediCare for All' is in essence just a sales slogan. The idea is that, because people are mostly satisfied with Medicare, using that name for a program of national health insurance will lend that established goodwill to the proposed reform.

But people ought not make the mistake of thinking Medicare is free. Premiums are paid out of Social Security checks by withholding, just as taxes are drawn from salary checks. These go towards the basic government insurance, which many find necessary to augment by private policies taken on in addition, and at additional cost. If the program were extended to all ages and conditions, monies would have to be collected.

I agree the total would be less than the sums currently paid to private insurers as premiums, but they would still be substantial, and many would still desire and seek additional private insurance. Not even MedicAid is free --- if you know someone who is on SSI or disability, you will find a premium for MedicAid is deducted from the check.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
10. Bernie devotees think every idea
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:56 PM
Mar 2020

from paper to steam engines to light bulbs to airplanes to telephones to transistors to integrated circuits came from and only from Bernie.

Even Sliced Bread!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(14,682 posts)
11. I wish everyone
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:04 PM
Mar 2020

could have the coverage I have. I’m on SSDI and I have Medicare as a primary with Medicaid as a secondary. I pay nothing for doctors, hospital stays, surgeries, and medications. Not one cent. That’s what I wish for everyone in this country. I don’t know how much it would cost, though.

In the meantime, let’s work to get Biden elected so that the ACA can be expanded with a robust public option added.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ellen Forradalom

(16,169 posts)
32. I do too.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:59 PM
Mar 2020

Medicare for All would be grand. But where are the votes? I need to see a political path to it. In the meantime, expanding Obamacare vs. attempting to strike it down in court is a nobrainer decision.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ellen Forradalom

(16,169 posts)
33. What I object to is confusing goals and implementation.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:01 PM
Mar 2020

Universal health coverage is a goal.
M4A is one possible implementation.
Every country with universal coverage has a different way of doing it.
We need to move towards it in a way that is politically feasible for our country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
34. I Agree, Ma'am
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

It seems to me the Affordable Care Act is a good beginning, and ought to be improved, and can be improved. At least assuming we can break the Republican majority in the Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. Or return to North Hero and enjoy the new home he bought with CASH in 2016.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. "I do not think you only have a right to a chicken in your pot if you have the money to afford it"..
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:15 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. That's not a novel concept. Clearly Joe Biden thinks so, too - that's why he called the ACA a "BFD"!
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:41 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
9. This is old news
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:54 PM
Mar 2020

Other Democrats from Harry S. Truman to LBJ to Ted Kennedy to Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton to Barack Obama have said the same thing.

Why is Bernie wasting bandwidth?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(8,114 posts)
14. Neither do any of the Democrats that support universal healthcare.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,467 posts)
17. Right now this country is being run
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:01 PM
Mar 2020

by people who don't even think we have a right to clean air and water.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,575 posts)
29. Neither do I. Neither does Joe Biden.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 08:23 PM
Mar 2020

I don't know anyone here who thinks that. Do you?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gulliver

(13,279 posts)
30. Therefore, I will cause Dems to lose this election, so that every human being will have health care.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 08:28 PM
Mar 2020

In a decade.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,701 posts)
37. As The Fallen Angel Said, Sir
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."

Get right down to the bottom of it, there really is not much more to Sanders' ambitions than that. If the people do not receive from the hand of 'Bernie' exactly what 'Bernie' knows the people need, the people must go without any aid at all, in punishment for rejecting 'Bernie'....


"The thing boils down to asserting no bread is better than half a loaf."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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