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Zorro

(15,927 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 11:28 AM Mar 2020

The Rise and Fall of Bernie Sanders: A Theory

Ari Rabin-Havt, a burly, bearded political operative, had been doing events with his boss for three years, since his boss was just 75 years old. But Bernie Sanders had never before asked for a chair. Sanders was as tired as Rabin-Havt had ever seen him, sitting in front of a banner bearing his name at a private fundraiser in a Middle Eastern restaurant in Las Vegas. Rabin-Havt cut the event short. He was a little alarmed, but political campaigns are exhausting, and it had been a long day, beginning early in Eastern Standard Time.

Jesse Cornett, the body man, was with them — his first day on the job. A body man is literally someone who takes care of the needs of the corpus of an important and busy person. It was his job to know how the candidate’s body was faring, but it was not his job to push.

In the car, Rabin-Havt asked if Sanders was okay. Sure, Sanders said. He’d just go to the hotel and lie down. He had a big day tomorrow. Then Rabin-Havt asked about dinner. Sanders said he was not hungry. He hadn’t eaten for hours and hours. Sanders should have been hungry. It could have been nothing, but two alarm bells had just rung for Rabin-Havt, and here came the third: Sanders said he was feeling a tightness in his chest.

Sometimes in high-pressure jobs, at the risk of irritating someone who is paying your salary, you have to substitute your judgment for theirs. Cornett and Rabin-Havt said it at the same time: They should go to an urgent-care clinic. And they did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2020/03/23/demise-bernie-sanders-wasnt-only-about-ideology-or-policy-it-was-also-about-candidate-himself/

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The Rise and Fall of Bernie Sanders: A Theory (Original Post) Zorro Mar 2020 OP
pay to view firewall. Can't. Won't. zonkers Mar 2020 #1
I paid because we need our journalist...we need newspapers...pretty cheap. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #21
Well, I'd love to read that, but I don't read paywall sites. MineralMan Mar 2020 #2
If you're using Chrome, open the link in an incognito window. George II Mar 2020 #5
It's a matter of principle for me, really. MineralMan Mar 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2020 #22
Here's my abbreviated take Politicub Mar 2020 #3
And, never will.. thanks, Politicub Cha Mar 2020 #17
Sanders' Great Mistake, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #4
From what we've seen since February, his "support" now is about half that of 2016. George II Mar 2020 #6
Yes. StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #7
Bernie Knew He'd Have Less Support in 2020 but He Planned to Win in a Crowded Field and Would Have Indykatie Mar 2020 #10
bernie is pushing ideas I had 40 yrs ago lol nt msongs Mar 2020 #11
When People Praise Him For Consistecy, Ma'am, And Sticking To His Principles The Magistrate Mar 2020 #13
Sometimes you can go through the paywall. FM123 Mar 2020 #9
There is no fall, he is a rising star. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #12
O RLY? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #14
BS overwhelmingly Lost & he Spent 4x the $$$ to do it Cha Mar 2020 #18
The long and short of it is... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #15
Since his own people admit he has failed, why won't he get out of race, behind Biden, except for ego LizBeth Mar 2020 #16
Money? BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #19
Looking to get that fourth or fifth house. Look at his history with money, he never did well LizBeth Mar 2020 #20
 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
1. pay to view firewall. Can't. Won't.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 11:44 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(69,455 posts)
21. I paid because we need our journalist...we need newspapers...pretty cheap.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:33 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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MineralMan

(146,562 posts)
2. Well, I'd love to read that, but I don't read paywall sites.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

Too bad, too. Right now, those paywalls should be down.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
5. If you're using Chrome, open the link in an incognito window.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:22 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,562 posts)
8. It's a matter of principle for me, really.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:25 PM
Mar 2020

I know how to get past WaPo's paywall. I just don't do it, in protest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

 

Politicub

(12,172 posts)
3. Here's my abbreviated take
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:14 PM
Mar 2020

1. He tried
2. He failed
3. Hasn’t entered acceptance phase

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Cha

(300,502 posts)
17. And, never will.. thanks, Politicub
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:58 PM
Mar 2020

StaySafe

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The Magistrate

(95,656 posts)
4. Sanders' Great Mistake, Sir
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:17 PM
Mar 2020

Was to view his voting strength in 2016 as endorsement of him and his policies. It was not.

He drew many votes from 'working class whites' who have a set against 'uppity broads', and who had been deluged with a right wing campaign of hate for Mrs. Clinton of a quarter-century's duration. 'Bernie' reaped some of the fruits of this aggravated misogyny, and took it for a demonstration 'working class whites' would support 'revolutionary' action in a left direction, if only they were properly approached, by a charismatic leader such as 'Bernie' himself. This has been his life-long dream, and while it is possible to sympathize on that account with his self-deception, it was a titanic error that did real harm to the people and our country. This year, these people are nowhere for 'Bernie', because by and large they voted against his opponent, not for him.

'Bernie' did indeed catch the fancy of youth in 2016. He says exactly the sort of things a dorm-room bullshitter, or any angry young man might say, and since these noises emerge from a lined face beneath a head of grey hair, 'Bernie' lets such young people believe their views are the distilled wisdom of age, which is very flattering for an angry young fellow. This year, 'Bernie' has lost his novelty. He is no longer the current cool thing, not a tune of the day, but something out of a 'golden oldies' segment. Young people are not turning out for him. The numbers of young people voting in the primary has declined, while the number of older voters has increased markedly. These people more ofte that not actively detest 'Bernie'.

By going once too often to the well, 'Bernie' has revealed himself as having failed in his object of promoting a 'revolutionary' turn to the left. Results of the campaign 'Bernie' has pressed this year reveal that even in 2016, what actually was going on was very different from what 'Bernie' imagined it was. One suspects the last person on the continent to realize this will be 'Bernie' Sanders....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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George II

(67,782 posts)
6. From what we've seen since February, his "support" now is about half that of 2016.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
7. Yes.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

You are so eloquent.

Thank you!

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Indykatie

(3,745 posts)
10. Bernie Knew He'd Have Less Support in 2020 but He Planned to Win in a Crowded Field and Would Have
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mar 2020

had Amy and Pete not dropped out so soon. He had a 30% strategy to get him to the convention with more delegates than the other 4 or so candidates. He'd then dare the Dems to give the nomination to anyone but the person with the most delegates who he thought would be him. Lucky for us unplanned sh*t happens in politics just like in life.

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msongs

(68,270 posts)
11. bernie is pushing ideas I had 40 yrs ago lol nt
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Magistrate

(95,656 posts)
13. When People Praise Him For Consistecy, Ma'am, And Sticking To His Principles
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:16 PM
Mar 2020

What they really mean is that he hasn't learned a thing in half a century, and is perfectly happy about it.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FM123

(10,063 posts)
9. Sometimes you can go through the paywall.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:25 PM
Mar 2020

Click on link then immediately press esc key. Takes a few tries, but sometimes works.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
12. There is no fall, he is a rising star. nt
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020
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Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,661 posts)
14. O RLY?
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:20 PM
Mar 2020

To where? Dude is old. This was it. He's done. And he ends his career throwing a tantrum rather than as statesman. Kinda sad.

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Cha

(300,502 posts)
18. BS overwhelmingly Lost & he Spent 4x the $$$ to do it
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:04 PM
Mar 2020

than Joe Biden did to WIN.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Happy Hoosier

(7,661 posts)
15. The long and short of it is...
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:23 PM
Mar 2020

He had a pretty hard ceiling in the party of somewhere in the 30's, and he never seriously tried to expand his base. His policy intransigence, coupled with his lack of people skills killed him. He appealed to a few "true believers." The rest of us saw through him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,987 posts)
16. Since his own people admit he has failed, why won't he get out of race, behind Biden, except for ego
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
19. Money?
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:17 PM
Mar 2020

Running for President can be a real cash cow.

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LizBeth

(9,987 posts)
20. Looking to get that fourth or fifth house. Look at his history with money, he never did well
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:55 PM
Mar 2020

in his personal financial life.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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