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Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:04 PM

 

Sen Sanders never had the voters to win the election in the first place.

According to many polls , articles etc.. anywhere from 15 to 20% of Sanders possible voters will not vote for anyone but Sanders.. they will vote for Trump for example.

That should quickly become obvious that a fifth of the Sanders supporters are either republicans messing with our party or other countries playing in our politics.

There was never a day Sen Sanders would ever be President. Because if a fifth of his supporters cannot find enough ground for any other Democrat.. (and let me tell you, they tried to destroy Sen Warren who is philosophically in their supposed wheelhouses..) so that fifth of the voters are cuckoos laying their eggs in the Democratic nest.

Four fifths of that 30%( who Sen Sanders identified as his base to get him elected) are honest to God MFA supporters who took him at his word, and were betrayed.

I would have been much more sympathetic to the Sanders campaign if he had not rehired so many whose whole purpose was to destroy the Democratic Party.. It was never about principal for that group in the end. They betrayed four fifths of Sanders people who have worked for him. Because their personal politics are more important than moving the country along.



Sen Sanders the time is past. Push those cuckoos out of YOUR nest and stand with the Democrats who have supported you through the years..
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Reply Sen Sanders never had the voters to win the election in the first place. (Original post)
Peacetrain Apr 2020 OP
MineralMan Apr 2020 #1
Peacetrain Apr 2020 #3
oasis Apr 2020 #9
Gothmog Apr 2020 #12
Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #15
DenverJared Apr 2020 #17
Gothmog Apr 2020 #18
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #2
Peacetrain Apr 2020 #4
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #6
empedocles Apr 2020 #5
Wellstone ruled Apr 2020 #7
thesquanderer Apr 2020 #8
Peacetrain Apr 2020 #10
thesquanderer Apr 2020 #14
Gothmog Apr 2020 #11
Peacetrain Apr 2020 #13
elocs Apr 2020 #16
Gothmog Apr 2020 #19
MrScorpio Apr 2020 #20

Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:07 PM

1. A sizable portion of that 15-20% would not have voted for Sanders

 

either, in any case. His election was never their goal. So I believe, based on past performance.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

3. I agree.. they would have left him high and dry

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:49 PM

9. +1

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:19 PM

12. Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - The Washington Post

 

I have never taken sanders seriously as a candidate due to sanders complete and utter lack of legislative accomplishments. sanders has not been able to get his fellow Democratic members of Congress to back his agenda and that is not going to change. As I understand it, sanders is now relying on a magical voter revolution to convince republicans to be reasonable. sanders has no magical voter revolution or movement backing him up. sanders has a cap of around 30% of the Democratic voters and that does not constitute a movement or revolution



For months — for years, really — the media have reported that the Democratic Party has gone far left. They have treated social media as a barometer of the party’s political attitudes and characterized center-left candidates as out of touch with their own party. They have done so despite the triumph of moderate Democratic House candidates in 2018; despite the failure of left-wing Democrats to flip a single House seat; despite the polls showing a substantial percentage of Democrats consider themselves moderate or somewhat liberal; and despite the failure of super-progressive presidential candidates to attract the most critical element in the Democratic Party (African Americans).

With this faulty premise, the media’s coverage has been at times wildly off-kilter. It was easy for anyone caring to look closely to see that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) did not “win” a single debate, because his ranting and raving merely reinforced the fervor of his own cult while turning off the rest of the party. The media have been obsessed with the “likability” of female candidates, never considering that Sanders’s angry and rude demeanor would turn off women, who make up more than half of the Democratic electorate. A simple question — “Who is he gaining by all this yelling?” — should have been front and center in the media’s coverage. His “movement” was assumed but never examined carefully.....

Sanders’s ceiling turned out to be real, because there are generally less than a third of voters in the Democratic Party willing to embrace wide-eyed socialism, venom-filled rhetoric and utter disregard for the demands of governing (e.g. compromise). Michael Moore does not speak for the Democratic Party any more than Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) speaks for House Democrats. (I have long maintained that the person who has the best read on the party as a whole is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi; get to her left, and you are in no-man’s land.)

The Democratic Party does not live on social media nor does it favor bomb-throwers. If anything, it is desperate to play it safe and find an antidote to President Trump — not an imitation. Voters want the madness, the cruelty, the dysfunction and the stupidity to stop. They have found their safe, reliable and decent candidate in Biden. En masse — in every geographic region and Democratic group — they are telling us that they want the primary to end and the effort to rout Trump to begin. The media might have taken Sanders’s “revolution” seriously, but it turns out that Democratic voters as a whole did not.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 03:14 PM

15. +1000

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 09:49 PM

17. Yeah -- like Joe Rogan

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 8, 2020, 08:04 PM

18. 7% of Sanders supporters say they'd vote for Trump against Biden

 


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Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

2. K&R Peace. This needs to be said over and over...there was no establishment plot. Sanders simply

 

never had the votes and lost the primary. He should go while he still has a few shreds of dignity. +10000!



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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:10 PM

4. It was never there Dems.. They thought they could take the election with a solid 30%

 

the numbers were never there.. and then you have that 1/5th.. they would have kneecapped him in the end..but even if they stood with him.. the numbers were never there
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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:27 PM

6. You are exactly right. Excellent OP.

 

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Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:14 PM

5. In the meantime, BS continues to suck up Dem media time daily with his bs

 

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Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:08 PM

7. Bernie has been spewing the same

 

message for forty plus years. And that message is thread worn do to his not being able for forty years,of ever getting one item into law.

But,that message will always attract attention by 30% crowd mush like the Tea Party 30% of the GOP.
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Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:25 PM

8. I'd agree if you said he didn't have the votes to win the *nomination.* But the election?

 

If he somehow magically were able to become the nominee, he would likely win the election. Polls show him beating Trump almost as well as Biden does (and better than any other primary contender).
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:01 PM

10. Well its like this.. in order to win the election you have to win the nomination...

 

If you don't have the votes to win the nomination, then you don't have the votes to win the election..

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:39 PM

14. No, one does not follow from the other.

 

For a while, it looks like we could possibly have had a brokered convention, in which case our nominee would not have been someone who had gotten enough votes to win the nomination. They still could have won the election.
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Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:11 PM

11. t's wasn't a conspiracy or a fluke. The voters didn't want a revolution

 



https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-joe-biden-2020-voters-establishment.html

Sanders advisers told the New York Times they believed they had been on the precipice of sweeping to victory on Super Tuesday, until Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg dropped out and endorsed Biden. Ben Tulchin, a Sanders pollster, claimed the candidate was “on the brink of winning until the most unprecedented event in the history of presidential primaries occurred.”

It is hardly unprecedented for the fifth- and sixth-place candidates to drop out of a race after four primaries. Yet Sanders himself has fixated on this decision as evidence of an Establishment conspiracy. Appearing on ABC’s This Week several days later, he described it as “the power of the Establishment to force Amy Klobuchar, who had worked so hard, Pete Buttigieg, who had really worked extremely hard as well, out of the race.”

From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway.

Sanders campaign spokesman Mike Casca argued, “Because of the agenda that he’s putting forward, a lot of super wealthy forces are aligned against him.” But Sanders has enjoyed a wide spending advantage over Biden, who at the key juncture was operating on a shoestring budget. If Michael Bloomberg had won, it would have been fair to wonder if he had bought the nomination. Biden’s appeal to the electorate was authentic, not purchased.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:20 PM

13. +1000

 

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Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:01 AM

19. Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist

 

There was no magical voter revolution



Biden’s vision has now won out: He is the apparent Democratic nominee after Sanders suspended his campaign Wednesday following a mid-pandemic Wisconsin primary marred by vast polling site closures and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that effectively invalidated many absentee ballots. (Sanders said Monday, given the risks to voters, his campaign would not engage in traditional efforts to get them to the polls.)….

And in particular, his decisive win over Sanders in the primary — without even campaigning in many states — further highlights the limitations of progressive politics in America, at least in winning a national campaign.

Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, made a bad bet on the existence of a national progressive majority (as did Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who ran as a progressive populist but dropped out after Super Tuesday). It turns out there's nothing even close.

In fact, it’s not even clear that a progressive majority exists within the Democratic Party. What does exist is a moderately center-left party with a vocal progressive element.

Sanders frequently said on the campaign trail that he was leading a “multigenerational, multiracial movement,” pledging to mobilize an army of new, young voters. But it turns out older and moderate voters are the ones that grew as a share of the Democratic primary electorate since 2016 — and they favored Biden by a wide margin.

Take the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, which Biden won, or the 10 of 14 states he captured on Super Tuesday: In all, he appealed to the same coalitions that boosted Democrats so strongly in the 2018 midterm elections, turning out large numbers of suburban voters, while maintaining support from longstanding elements of the Democratic coalition, particularly African American voters.....

Still, with the 2020 Democratic primary process essentially over, it’s clear that the hard-core Democratic left was deluded in their assertions that they were the new Democratic majority. They are going to need a better grip on reality if they are to be successful at the national level moving forward
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Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:16 AM

20. Bingo!

 

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