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Undecided 36%
Elizabeth Warren21%
Joe Biden13%
Kamala Harris8%
Bernie Sanders8%

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:44 AM

 

Paradigm shift

I think I am experiencing some fundamental paradigm shift. I never thought I’d support Sanders but somehow I feel that I should. So many things have changes in the last two years but he has been consistent and uncompromising and precise. I am so longing for unity and not divisive primary. I feel somewhat guilty in front of some of my friends who were Bernie supporters and annoyed me to no end in 2016 with their endless rants against Clinton. It is becoming so obvious that Sanders will win the nomination that I just want to get behind the movement because I agree with most positions. I mean it is extreme to have private health insurance companies for essential medical services not mainstream, they must be outlawed and there is no middle ground. This is a litmus test. If a new recession is coming and people start losing private health insurance coverage, it will become even more obvious that Medicare for All is the only sustainable solution and it does require rendering most private health insurance companies illegal. Let’s be honest: most people HATE private health insurance companies.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Pete Buttigieg

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AlexSFCA Feb 2019 OP
Cha Feb 2019 #1
AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #2
Cha Feb 2019 #3
AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #5
Cha Feb 2019 #8
pnwmom Feb 2019 #4
AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #6
pnwmom Feb 2019 #10
Orangepeel Feb 2019 #12
Trenzalore Feb 2019 #17
leftofcool Feb 2019 #15
WeekiWater Feb 2019 #20
AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #7
pnwmom Feb 2019 #11
Cha Feb 2019 #9
CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #21
Amimnoch Feb 2019 #13
leftofcool Feb 2019 #16
CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #22
betsuni Feb 2019 #14
ucrdem Feb 2019 #18
workinclasszero Feb 2019 #19
Garrett78 Feb 2019 #23

Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:45 AM

1. No it isn't.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:47 AM

2. which Sander's positions you disagree with?

 

I underatand the demeanor and conduct of his campaign but what about the positions?
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:53 AM

3. I don't want him as potus.

 

I want someone who is inclusive.. not divisive.

My candidate as of now.. has brilliant policies.. I want someone who is straight up with her/his answers.

Not BS.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:14 AM

5. Can you elaborate on differences in policies between Harris and Sanders?

 

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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:29 AM

8. Sorry, I haven't made myself clear to you, Alex..

 

.. I don't care what BS says his policies are. I don't like who he is.

Divisive..


Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710

Doesn't give straight answers..


Has a lot of explaining to do..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:14 AM

4. Which of Warren's positions do you disagree with? Or Harris's? Or Brown's or Castro's?

 

Any of them would have a stronger chance against Trump in the general.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:17 AM

6. Sanders will get the bulk of independent vote in general election

 

being independent himself under D moniker. Harris won’t get any of that, IMO. Biden maybe. But Biden has no policiy differnces with Clinton so I don’t see him winning against trump. Indepenent voters care only about policies and not character as many of them apolicitical. They will decide the outcome of the election. So far, Sanders is leading the independent vote.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:52 AM

10. Hillary was much more progressive than Biden. And few independents

 

think of themselves as socialists or even "Democratic socialists." It's too bad Bernie has chosen that misleading "brand."

Hillary didn't lose against Trump because she wasn't progressive enough. She lost because of the Comey/Weiner letter; and Russian interference; and the suppression of millions of votes. After Obama's re-election in 2012, the Supreme Court dismantled the 1965 voting rights act, which caused the loss of millions of Democratic votes in key states, including in places like Michigan and Wisconsin.
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Undecided

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:37 AM

12. "Independent voters care only about policies"

 

I don’t believe that’s true. Independent voters are all over the map in terms of what they want. Some are very right wing, some are very left. Many are those that say they’ll “vote for the person rather than the party” meaning they’ll vote for personality rather than policy.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Kamala Harris

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Response to Orangepeel (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:32 AM

17. I don't believe there are actually that many independents

 

My father, good rest his soul, claimed to be an independent and registered as one while voting for every republican that ever ran for office. I know independents that do the same for democrats. I believe a majority of independents have a strong predisposition.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Elizabeth Warren

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:03 AM

15. Can Sanders win with only Independents?

 

He will need 100% of Democrats to back him up.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:58 PM

20. You know little about the differences in Clinton and Biden.

 

And even less about the nuances of independent voters. Parts of you post here are blatantly wrong. Other parts show you don’t comprehend the topics you are discussing. Not trying to be rude. That was painful to read on face value.

No problem with you supporting Sanders. You should probably ask yourself why you are going as far as to completely make things up in order to justify your support.
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Joe Biden

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:21 AM

7. none

 

it’s just that Sanders has MUCH bigger following than any of the above, not to mention name recognition. Brown is the only viable competition here.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:56 AM

11. Right now he does. We haven't had a single debate or primary yet. And if no one gets a majority

 

in the primaries, do you know who finally gets a vote?

Superdelegates. And they're not independents.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:37 AM

9. And, more Inclusive.. Way less Divisive..

 

especially with Nina-jillstein voter-as his co-chair.. who doesn't know the difference between hard working Democrats fighting on the front lines for our very Lives, and Fascists for trump.

BS Will Be Vetted.
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Joe Biden

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:02 PM

21. I don't share his ideology.

 

I'm a liberal Democrat.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:45 AM

13. Nope. Never.

 

I'll continue to support ANY real Democrat, but never BS. there isn't a circumstance that is possible where I will change my position.

The DNC may consider him viable for running as a Democratic Party Member and spoiler yet again.

this website may consider him protected as a temporary Democratic party member/candidate yet again.

I will NEVER accept this man as a Democratic Party member or Candidate, and will always support anyone who is on the opposite side of him in races.

this site may be able to shut those who feel like I do up when we attempt to explain our complete and utter disdain for that.. person, but he is NOT a unifier at all.

I am NOT alone in feeling this way.
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Joe Biden

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:04 AM

16. Thank you

 

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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:03 PM

22. You are not alone.

 

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Joe Biden

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:53 AM

14. Both sides are the same is his "movement." His policies are regular Democratic policies.

 

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Undecided

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:03 AM

18. The healthcare landscape has changed dramatically and Bernie is stuck in 1968

 

He refuses to countenance any of the regulations brought into play by the ACA and acts like it never happened. When was the last time you heard him promised to protect it? Medicare for all is a lousy idea based on the current Medicare system which is surprise, an insurance program like the ACA. But we already have the ACA so Medicare for All is not only a pale shadow of an in-place system but does damage by reducing support for it. So no, his ideas are not very good, and by my lights they are pernicious and destructive of hard-won Democratic gains.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:19 PM

19. Let me tell you what the ACA did for me

 

The cheapest plan I could get would have cost me over 700 dollars a month with a 7000 dollar annual deductible.

This was the bronze plan, costs went up from there and they were already out of reach with the lowest cost plan.

So then I became an outlaw of sorts for the crime of not being able to afford health insurance under the ACA and got fined by the IRS.

As of today I got some shitty insurance through work that basically keeps me from getting fined by the IRS and does little more. If I live long enough I'll get Medicare in a few years, then I'll have some actual health insurance that I can use.

The ACA has been nothing but a disaster for me and my family and I support Medicare for all 1000%!

I mean why do you think 70% of Americans support Medicare for all? Because they are happy with the ACA??

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Bernie Sanders

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:07 PM

23. Look at the 20 or so states that immediately follow New Hampshire and tell me how...

 

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...you conclude that Sanders is likely to come out on top in delegates. Tell me how he survives Super Tuesday.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kamala Harris

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