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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 02:44 AM Feb 2019

Paradigm shift

I think I am experiencing some fundamental paradigm shift. I never thought I’d support Sanders but somehow I feel that I should. So many things have changes in the last two years but he has been consistent and uncompromising and precise. I am so longing for unity and not divisive primary. I feel somewhat guilty in front of some of my friends who were Bernie supporters and annoyed me to no end in 2016 with their endless rants against Clinton. It is becoming so obvious that Sanders will win the nomination that I just want to get behind the movement because I agree with most positions. I mean it is extreme to have private health insurance companies for essential medical services not mainstream, they must be outlawed and there is no middle ground. This is a litmus test. If a new recession is coming and people start losing private health insurance coverage, it will become even more obvious that Medicare for All is the only sustainable solution and it does require rendering most private health insurance companies illegal. Let’s be honest: most people HATE private health insurance companies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Paradigm shift (Original Post) AlexSFCA Feb 2019 OP
No it isn't. Cha Feb 2019 #1
which Sander's positions you disagree with? AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #2
I don't want him as potus. Cha Feb 2019 #3
Can you elaborate on differences in policies between Harris and Sanders? AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #5
Sorry, I haven't made myself clear to you, Alex.. Cha Feb 2019 #8
Which of Warren's positions do you disagree with? Or Harris's? Or Brown's or Castro's? pnwmom Feb 2019 #4
Sanders will get the bulk of independent vote in general election AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #6
Hillary was much more progressive than Biden. And few independents pnwmom Feb 2019 #10
"Independent voters care only about policies" Orangepeel Feb 2019 #12
I don't believe there are actually that many independents Trenzalore Feb 2019 #17
Can Sanders win with only Independents? leftofcool Feb 2019 #15
You know little about the differences in Clinton and Biden. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #20
none AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #7
Right now he does. We haven't had a single debate or primary yet. And if no one gets a majority pnwmom Feb 2019 #11
And, more Inclusive.. Way less Divisive.. Cha Feb 2019 #9
I don't share his ideology. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #21
Nope. Never. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #13
Thank you leftofcool Feb 2019 #16
You are not alone. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #22
Both sides are the same is his "movement." His policies are regular Democratic policies. betsuni Feb 2019 #14
The healthcare landscape has changed dramatically and Bernie is stuck in 1968 ucrdem Feb 2019 #18
Let me tell you what the ACA did for me workinclasszero Feb 2019 #19
Look at the 20 or so states that immediately follow New Hampshire and tell me how... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #23
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
2. which Sander's positions you disagree with?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 02:47 AM
Feb 2019

I underatand the demeanor and conduct of his campaign but what about the positions?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(294,907 posts)
3. I don't want him as potus.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 02:53 AM
Feb 2019

I want someone who is inclusive.. not divisive.

My candidate as of now.. has brilliant policies.. I want someone who is straight up with her/his answers.

Not BS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
5. Can you elaborate on differences in policies between Harris and Sanders?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:14 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(294,907 posts)
8. Sorry, I haven't made myself clear to you, Alex..
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:29 AM
Feb 2019

.. I don't care what BS says his policies are. I don't like who he is.

Divisive..


Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710

Doesn't give straight answers..


Has a lot of explaining to do..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,886 posts)
4. Which of Warren's positions do you disagree with? Or Harris's? Or Brown's or Castro's?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:14 AM
Feb 2019

Any of them would have a stronger chance against Trump in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
6. Sanders will get the bulk of independent vote in general election
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:17 AM
Feb 2019

being independent himself under D moniker. Harris won’t get any of that, IMO. Biden maybe. But Biden has no policiy differnces with Clinton so I don’t see him winning against trump. Indepenent voters care only about policies and not character as many of them apolicitical. They will decide the outcome of the election. So far, Sanders is leading the independent vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,886 posts)
10. Hillary was much more progressive than Biden. And few independents
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:52 AM
Feb 2019

think of themselves as socialists or even "Democratic socialists." It's too bad Bernie has chosen that misleading "brand."

Hillary didn't lose against Trump because she wasn't progressive enough. She lost because of the Comey/Weiner letter; and Russian interference; and the suppression of millions of votes. After Obama's re-election in 2012, the Supreme Court dismantled the 1965 voting rights act, which caused the loss of millions of Democratic votes in key states, including in places like Michigan and Wisconsin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Orangepeel

(13,928 posts)
12. "Independent voters care only about policies"
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:37 AM
Feb 2019

I don’t believe that’s true. Independent voters are all over the map in terms of what they want. Some are very right wing, some are very left. Many are those that say they’ll “vote for the person rather than the party” meaning they’ll vote for personality rather than policy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
17. I don't believe there are actually that many independents
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:32 AM
Feb 2019

My father, good rest his soul, claimed to be an independent and registered as one while voting for every republican that ever ran for office. I know independents that do the same for democrats. I believe a majority of independents have a strong predisposition.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
15. Can Sanders win with only Independents?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:03 AM
Feb 2019

He will need 100% of Democrats to back him up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
20. You know little about the differences in Clinton and Biden.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:58 AM
Feb 2019

And even less about the nuances of independent voters. Parts of you post here are blatantly wrong. Other parts show you don’t comprehend the topics you are discussing. Not trying to be rude. That was painful to read on face value.

No problem with you supporting Sanders. You should probably ask yourself why you are going as far as to completely make things up in order to justify your support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
7. none
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:21 AM
Feb 2019

it’s just that Sanders has MUCH bigger following than any of the above, not to mention name recognition. Brown is the only viable competition here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,886 posts)
11. Right now he does. We haven't had a single debate or primary yet. And if no one gets a majority
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:56 AM
Feb 2019

in the primaries, do you know who finally gets a vote?

Superdelegates. And they're not independents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(294,907 posts)
9. And, more Inclusive.. Way less Divisive..
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 03:37 AM
Feb 2019

especially with Nina-jillstein voter-as his co-chair.. who doesn't know the difference between hard working Democrats fighting on the front lines for our very Lives, and Fascists for trump.

BS Will Be Vetted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
21. I don't share his ideology.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:02 PM
Feb 2019

I'm a liberal Democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
13. Nope. Never.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:45 AM
Feb 2019

I'll continue to support ANY real Democrat, but never BS. there isn't a circumstance that is possible where I will change my position.

The DNC may consider him viable for running as a Democratic Party Member and spoiler yet again.

this website may consider him protected as a temporary Democratic party member/candidate yet again.

I will NEVER accept this man as a Democratic Party member or Candidate, and will always support anyone who is on the opposite side of him in races.

this site may be able to shut those who feel like I do up when we attempt to explain our complete and utter disdain for that.. person, but he is NOT a unifier at all.

I am NOT alone in feeling this way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(24,891 posts)
14. Both sides are the same is his "movement." His policies are regular Democratic policies.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:53 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. The healthcare landscape has changed dramatically and Bernie is stuck in 1968
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:03 AM
Feb 2019

He refuses to countenance any of the regulations brought into play by the ACA and acts like it never happened. When was the last time you heard him promised to protect it? Medicare for all is a lousy idea based on the current Medicare system which is surprise, an insurance program like the ACA. But we already have the ACA so Medicare for All is not only a pale shadow of an in-place system but does damage by reducing support for it. So no, his ideas are not very good, and by my lights they are pernicious and destructive of hard-won Democratic gains.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
19. Let me tell you what the ACA did for me
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:19 AM
Feb 2019

The cheapest plan I could get would have cost me over 700 dollars a month with a 7000 dollar annual deductible.

This was the bronze plan, costs went up from there and they were already out of reach with the lowest cost plan.

So then I became an outlaw of sorts for the crime of not being able to afford health insurance under the ACA and got fined by the IRS.

As of today I got some shitty insurance through work that basically keeps me from getting fined by the IRS and does little more. If I live long enough I'll get Medicare in a few years, then I'll have some actual health insurance that I can use.

The ACA has been nothing but a disaster for me and my family and I support Medicare for all 1000%!

I mean why do you think 70% of Americans support Medicare for all? Because they are happy with the ACA??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
23. Look at the 20 or so states that immediately follow New Hampshire and tell me how...
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:07 PM
Feb 2019

Last edited Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:46 PM - Edit history (1)

...you conclude that Sanders is likely to come out on top in delegates. Tell me how he survives Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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