Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWho will NOT support Bernie if he is the Democratic nominee?
In my opinion, Bernie is the clear favorite at this moment. He has a loyal base from his last run. I don't see any candidate in the mix at the moment that can compete with him. Are we ready to support Bernie if he is the people's choice?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)I reject your premise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Obviously if Biden announces, the math changes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Not quite following your logic here..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....following will opt for another career Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fla Dem
(23,711 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)
Way too early to start saying anyone is the front runner. If all the people that support the other candidates who eventually withdraw, fall in behind say a Biden, Buttiigieg, Harris, Warren, or others, their numbers could increase dramatically.
Look at current polls. Between Biden and Sanders, they only average 50% of the vote. Where will the other 50% go as the candidates start to drop out?
Oh and btw, out of these 5 latest polls, Bernie only leads in one and is pretty far behind Biden in the other 4 polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)in every poll, Sanders is running stronger than all candidates except Biden, who really isn't yet a candidate.
There are so many attempts across DU threads to spin either second place or a lead into catastrophe for Sanders.
I also think that the Biden entry hurts the moderates most - O'Rourke, Kloubuchar, and possibly Harris. The liberal wing will still favor Warren, Sanders, Inslee, Buttigieg.
Sanders is outstanding at fundraising, at social media outreach, at reaching young voters, at appealing to his base, and at building a ground game. Other candidates better learn from his strengths to win primaries, and we all better learn from his strengths to win in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Presuming a Bernie/Joe run-off, realistically most of those Warren votes go to Sanders. Same with Gabbard, and I'd suspect a fair number of the Buttigieg numbers given that he's appealing strongly to the youth (although I could be wrong about that one of course). O'Rourke voters I'd think are more likely to flip to Joe, with Harris probably more split.
Obviously its just guesswork at this point and a huge amount can (and will) change between now and then. I'd still give Joe the likely edge if he gets in, but he's vulnerable to gaffes, so I think its definitely a pretty open race.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)to Hillary supporters in the GE.
Almost all DUers (including me) would vote for Bernie if he is the nominee but his odds are zero.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)His odds are currently 7/2.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/democrat-candidate
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Many here will agree with me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)These's a reason why the house always wins in the end (unless its a Trump casino ).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Yet you think that lying psychopath is going to sweep most blue states against a progressive? Seriously?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)sanders is a very weak general election candidate. trump wants to run against sanders for good reasons
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Bernie would stamp him into the ground, just like he kicked Republican ass in the senate many times.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)A walk in the park for Donnie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)To win the election we have to beat rump, gop, putin and .... ... ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Chances are good he'll win some this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)1070 posts in a month? 911 of them in this forum? You've set quite the pace.
I don't know what you're basing his odds on but they're definitely NOT zero.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yup.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)That many posts in a month. Seems like a F/T job of sorts. Wonder is it temporary?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)As I always say... why reply if someone else has taken the time and energy to write up a good post. I just wish we could "upvote" the individual posts, just so we could get an idea of all the people that agree with the statement made.
Also ignore the start date for this account, I needed a name change and have lurking since about 2005.
PPS: damn you for increasing this accounts post by +1
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Funtatlaguy
(10,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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artislife
(9,497 posts)Though your honesty is refreshing
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
djg21
(1,803 posts)The question can be asked, but you cannot respond unless you are affirming that youll vote for Sanders? That doesnt quite seem logical or fair.
I will NEVER vote for Sanders in a primary. When it comes to the General, if he is the candidate, God forbid, I will vote for him but be resigned to Trump getting another 4 years and just hope to be pleasantly surprised.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I heard a rumor that his stunt of filling Fox's venue with his supporters worked so well he may consider switching parties and running against Trump for the Republican nomination when this bid fails.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)any nightmare scenes like this OP because our national pathology had taken over the Democratic Party. I would vote for whoever our nominee was against Trump, of course, but in the daytime I remember the midterms and am reassured that it will never come to that, toxic media be damned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gapaddy
(7 posts)A published opinion:Sanders
"... the comparatively small turnout at Saturdays rally suggests much reduced enthusiasm from workers and young people since his 2016 campaign..."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
watoos
(7,142 posts)he has gotten over 500k small donations, none of our other candidates comes close to that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The population of Russia is estimated at 144.5 million according to Google. I'm sure none of the 500k donations are from a foreign entity. I mean its up to Sanders Campaign to record and verify that information.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
with no link
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,461 posts)Mods, I only post this to show my claim is true.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/15/sand-a15.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)I will support any democrat that has primaried and won the nomination....period!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Runningdawg
(4,522 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blue cat
(2,415 posts)I remember all the losing gut punches in the past, so no doubt I will vote for our nominee. Vote blue no matter who.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)a year away from voting...I do not believe Sanders will win the nomination. Biden gets in next week, and the Mayor is stealing Sanders voters on a daily basis. However how dare you suggest that Democrats here would not vote for the nominee- even if we dislike the nominee. We are boots on the ground Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)It would be breaking TOS. I'm feeling this is a hide fishing thread myself. Only 1 answer is safe from being hidden for not supporting Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Sounds like a question from a so-called "undecided" really Bernie supporter whose trying to get folks supporting other candidates off of DU.
What's funny is this poster thinks folks cannot see past their question.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,168 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)only one answer is acceptable without breaking TOS. I suspect the same.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kag
(4,079 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)vote the straight Democratic ticket. I'll support the Democratic nominee, no matter who they are.
At this point the Democratic field of candidates is reassuring. Let the process work instead of wasting time presenting "what if" questions!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)They will need enormous help if Sanders is the nominee.
There is no question he will have my vote on election day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)where it still needs to be built.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)building strength in congress.
Whether president candidate is Sanders or someone else I see many people eager to keep improving our position in Congress and I don't believe they will leave the top of the ticket blank.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)Without strong support from African American voters, Democrats will get killed down ballot. The sanders campaign is not counting on support from African American voters https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/bernie-sanders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/
There will be a large number of African American voters who will not support sanders due to the planned stunt of booing Congressman John Lewis at the national convention. I was a delegate to the national convention and I watched the planned stunt by the sanders campaign/delegates of booing Congressman John Lewis. This was a planned stunt that the Clinton campaign found out about and warned her delegates. According to my whip, sanders was asked to call off or try to stop this stunt and declined
Link to tweet
My whip and other Clinton supporters may show up in commercials on this incident if sanders is still in the race on Super Tuesday. Good luck with finding African American voters support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,543 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)I'll answer you in reverse. I am a Sanders supporter who will commit to voting for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, even though I am convinced down to my toes that Bernie will secure the nomination.
I hasten to add, though, that we shouldn't be surprised that some people answer in the negative. If they consider themselves Democrats, they should be ashamed. Who will be their choice? Stein?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radical noodle
(8,008 posts)if we listen to Bernie's advisors and staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
watoos
(7,142 posts)of all our candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)She has the best ideas laid out by far.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)And Warren is close to my first choice. But Sanders deserves credit for garnering support starting in 2016 for more progressive policies. He's worked hard enough to deserve some credit for championing popular issue positions associated with the left.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)She's my #2 right now and might become my #1.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,356 posts)I don't get why she doesn't have more traction. Or maybe I do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)There were big reasons why Warren wouldn't endorse Sanders before, though he asked repeatedly, and people who imagine they are somehow similar need to look past the labels on policy goals.
Even though some of their avowed goals do overlap largely, they're not at all alike as people. They vary in their principles, standards, ideology, and many beliefs. They differ greatly in both the methods and forms their solutions should take and tremendously in how they relate to their colleagues, and how they performed in the WH would be as extremely different as it is in the senate.
Very notably, Warren left the Republican Party for the Democratic to fight for what she believes from within the seat of power. She chastises her fellow Democrats frequently for not doing what she wants them to but works with them and never betrays. Very strikingly, she would never try to destroy the Democratic Party, both out of good character and principle, but very practically, because working with Democrats is how she gets things done. I-Sanders doesn't play well with others, and his hostile outsider route has always left him isolated and ineffectual.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)...but in the primaries, BS is my 17th or 18th choice.
I want to be talking about how we have to eliminate the embarrassment who currently resides in the white house. I don't want to explain Socialism to the 5% or 10% we need to convince to win this election, when we all know that this group doesn't want to listen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
If hes the candidate in the general I will hold my nose and vote for him. And mentally prepare myself for 4 more years of Dolt 45 and the complete destruction of the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)I don't let a name tag deter me, let me tell you how I answer being called a Socialist.
First I ask them why Trump gave 12 billion taxpayer dollars to soy bean farmers because Trump's tariffs cut out their markets. Then I tell them that I am an FDR Democrat who wants to keep Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. It's really easy to answer them because all they have is a name for their argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)...real easy.
Biden seems to get 5% or 10% of Trump voters to change their minds on their own, especially union guys.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,625 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
louis c
(8,652 posts)...you guys act like these are reasonable people. They have to change their minds on their own. Something in their lives have to motivate them, like not getting a tax refund that they anticipated or losing their farm or job at a factory Trump said was never going to close down.
In those cases, they will vote for the Democratic nominee if he (and I mean "he" because we are talking about misogynist racists) makes them feel comfortable.
I'm speaking about 5% or 10% of Trump voters, which is about 2% or 3% of the total vote. I hate to even say we need them to win, but, in the end, they made the difference. We don't need to cater to them, but they're the assholes who put Trump in office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I just walked away from a Southern Baptist Church , amazing how many ay good friends Lost.
But quickly found new ones in my new.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)We have to offer our own positive vision of the future, or else that orange bastard could win again. If we fight in the mud against this piece of crap, we're in trouble.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)...and Sanders gives them that excuse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)The socialist label is a risk, but personally I think he also wins us a lot of white collar votes away from Trump, and pulls in a lot of independents that we didn't get last time. Also a number of those on the hard left who might see a socialist as enough of a reason to vote Dem instead of defecting to the Greens or other.
We should really be looking at this state by state, seeing where we potentially drop votes with each candidate and where we might gain them. It's probably too early for this now, but as we get closer to xmas we should really do it here. This time we HAVE to focus on the electoral college and make sure we're not making any bad decisions if we can avoid it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)Good luck with that. I just don't see people whose whole career depends on Capitalism voting for BS.
Our problem is white, male, blue collar voters. There is no group in American history that has more consistently voted against their own best interest than this demographic. And it all started under Reagan and has gotten worse under Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Last time around Bernie seemed to be pulling in a lot of support from that white, male, blue collar voter group. The question for me is whether he can pull out enough of the other D voting demographics. I think so, but I'm not certain.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Not some outsider pretender.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,600 posts)Which will almost certainly be Trump.
I despise Sanders personally for the way he behaved towards Hillary in 2016 (even though I preferred his policies to hers, and voted for him in the primary, given that my 1st choice was out by that time).
BUT is he better than Trump? By a long ways. So he would get my vote and my encouragement of others to vote for him.
Assuming I am still alive and mentally competent after the continuing assaults on my sanity and will to live since 2015. (which is when I realized Dems would probably blow the 2016 election. How I wish they'd proved me wrong. I don't know if I can take watching this horror movie, part 2; but it seems the stage crew is gearing up.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Winning the White House and electing a super majority in both houses of congress has to be the goal. When we accomplish that then leadership enforces order. If anyone dare go against the majority they'll be treated the same was as the repubicans. Stripped of any leadership and facing a majority boycott of their needs.
Leadership must then reverse everything trump and the gop have done - political, social, economic, courts, foreign policy - as if this nightmare was just that - something we can wake up from and not this daily pall of hatred and insanity hanging over the nation like a toxic orange cloud.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)It ain't so hard when you consider the alternative.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
murielm99
(30,753 posts)Will you, and any other BS supporters here, support the nominee if he or she is NOT Bernie? Will you do it without dividing or complaining?
p.s. I am not fooled by your "undecided" stance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Busted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)haven't been attacked here. I call out any post that attacks any of our candidates.
I chose Tulsi because she has been attacked even more than Bernie.
The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ponietz
(2,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,625 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Seems like this pledge is only asked for by Bernie supporters. I'd like to see the reverse as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MANative
(4,112 posts)Yup.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
murielm99
(30,753 posts)I will save a lot of money and time if BS is the nominee. I would be working extra hard for some downticket Democrats, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pscot
(21,024 posts)That oughtta be a no brainer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,434 posts)Thats not a surprise and it happens every election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radical noodle
(8,008 posts)No one who wants to remain here can really answer that question in the affirmative.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,625 posts)...but not my love...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zeusdogmom
(995 posts)I REALLY hope he is not the nomine - I don't think he can win against Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
watoos
(7,142 posts)will suppress the millennials from voting. Many young voters in 2016 were shocked by the DNC's rules for super delegates. Hey, I know, rules are rules and Hillary was smarter than Bernie. I am happy to see that the DNC has all but eliminated super delegates from the equation for 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,168 posts)every possible interpretation and four million more actual votes from voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)So even after Bernie won states, they were showing the race as positive for Hillary because of the early declared superdelegates. That had a real effect on his momentum, despite great performances early in the race.
Would she still have won? Yes, probably. But that doesn't make the effect of superdelegates irrelevant. It had an effect and it pissed off a lot of Bernie supporters. And rightly so.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)The need to continue to turn out, which would convince superdelegates to flip on their own, rather than trying to beg them to after the fact.
Was it arrogance that led him not to follow the example that was successfully used in 2008?
Or was it more important strategically to paint himself as one man against a rigged systema theme, somewhat interestingly, which was also pushed by Trump?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,168 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)Didn't the Obama campaign get early superdelegate support?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dogman
(6,073 posts)Started the PUMA movement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)that Sanders hopes to get close and than have the supers put him over in the second vote. But it won't happen. Supers will vote for the candidate with the most delegates as they always do. It could be Sanders but I still doubt he has the most delegates and wins the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Their support is also not even close to monolithic. There is actually an exceptional millennial running for President and I believe many of them will shift to him before the first vote is cast. I believe that we will see millennials vote in just over historical trend numbers. The higher age end of the millennials are getting to the point where they become more consistent voters. They are going to love the charisma of a number of our candidates and they are all speaking to issues that matter to younger generations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)No concept whatsoever of their self interest? You're insulting them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)The fact that Donald Trump has plugged it should give people some indication.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/donald-trump/no-donald-trump-bernie-sanders-wouldnt-have-won-ev/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I will support the nominee of the party. I may have to hold my nose with a couple of them, BS included, but I will support them to get the orange moron out of the white house. If it is BS I feel we will lose, but I will work hard for our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kentuck
(111,106 posts)I am not a supporter of Bernie. I would prefer the ugliest Democrat we can find. But, if he is the choice of the majority, I would support him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Considering some of the replies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)from happens when we DON'T support the lesser of 2 evils
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)who ever we get, I will vote for. I won't contribute money as our money is more important for local elections
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)When the general comes, if it is someone I feel strongly about i will contribute, but I would rather give money to democrats in Oklahoma trying to give our state a fighting chance at the state and local level.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)On the second ballot, if there is one, delegates will be free to vote any way they want, and based on what we've seen historically that will probably be one of the front running career Democrats. Plus, the superdelegates are in play after the first ballot, and chances are they'll vote en masse for one of the front running career Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)Nate thinks that it is possible for sander to win the nomination but this is not likely. sanders is not going to be the nominee of the party. sanders thinks that getting 30% of the primary vote is sufficient which means taking the fight to the contested convention. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/
Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 arent good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a The Party Decides standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.
In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didnt have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.
At times, Sanderss strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasnt sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantics Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. Thats a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.
sanders will not be the nominee if sanders only gets 30% of the primary vote. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. If this gets to a floor fight, the delegates for the other candidates will not support sanders and the super delegates will get to break any deadlocks after the first ballot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Strictly speaking, the only potential Democratic nominee who might get my vote in the electoral college is Beto, and even there I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
But no other candidate makes me more dismayed for the chances of other Democrats on the ticket here. A lot of candidates down the ballot would need all the help they could get if we screw up and nominate Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kentuck
(111,106 posts)I don't think any of them can garner anywhere near what Bernie can at present. If the race were to narrow to two people, then Bernie could be defeated, similar to what Hillary did. But with three or more in the race, Bernie's following will be hard to overtake, in my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Honestly, that's why I'm pulling behind Biden, rather than Buttigieg or Harris, who I actually like better. The single most important thing to happen in this primary is that we simply must end Bernie's campaign as early as possible, and that means Biden. We have several who can defeat Trump, but only one can drive a stake into the heart of the Bernie candidacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Let's try and avoid people getting banned this time around, and just stay positive for our own candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mojo2
(332 posts)posed by a poster? Wow, I was just speaking the truth, so you're saying its against the sites rules to speak honestly?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Some of the rules here are interpreted less strongly than others, but there is one particular rule that can cause insta-bans, and that is saying that you won't support a Dem candidate in the general election.
The op was being somewhat unkind asking the question, because the answer you gave is not allowed here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)You cannot speak about every opinion you have.
It's a good thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)Why is the party letting him primary with us?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)No other consideration is necessary imo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
snowybirdie
(5,231 posts)caused by rTump, I'd support Bugs Bunny if he's the nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)Some candidates who make a poor showing will drop out after the first three contests. A few days later is Super Tuesday, that's 12 more states holding primaries. More candidates will get the message then. We'll have a better idea at that time whether or not Bernie is the people's choice.
I honestly don't understand how people can make such assertions at this point that no candidate can compete with him. We have months and months of competition to observe. What the hell is the hurry. It's a rush to judgment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
prodigitalson
(2,427 posts)is Donald Trump. And he's a long shot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)support Sanders if he is the nominee will be responsible for Trump's 2nd term.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Means nothing. Bernie won't be nominee but if by some fluke he is, I'll vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)infrastructure and grassroots support from a previous failed bid in the prior election that Bernie does.
Just sayin'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)But Harris and Inslee can be in contention. Which I would love.
I love Bernie, but he is pretty old, like Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Paladin
(28,267 posts)We can do a lot better than him, this time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,356 posts)What about the other candidates? Are we ready to support her/him when named the nominee?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)That of you asked that about any other of our candidates, say Kamala Harris...... Well you wouldn't even ask the question , because there would be no need to. The answer would be as obvious as the question is insulting.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,356 posts)We have seen it before. Some supporters are "my candidate or bust" types.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,461 posts)Or bust may be a bit harsh, but definitely there is a lot of 'only mine can' win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,356 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,461 posts)Buttigieg, Harris, Abrams (if she runs), Warren, Beto, Booker and Swalwell.
Inslee as Climate Czar for the winner.
The only 100% lock (IMHO) declined to run, (doubt she ever will) Michelle Obama
The others who declined I would have liked to see run (maybe VP choices, who knows) were Sherrod Brown, Andrew Gillum, Deval Patrick (Obama's original pick but Bain Capital connections are a tough sell), and my governor, Gavin Newsom (wanted to keep his promise of a full term and I am sure he deferred to Kamala Harris as well this time around).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)
not without a LOT of outside help, if you know what I mean...
EDIT: I've said all along that I would support the eventual Dem nominee no matter what, and that is what I'll do... I'm not one of those "Take my ball and go home" types, unlike others I could name.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ebbie15644
(1,215 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Any answer in the affirmative is against TOS.
I cannot answer this question. I will say that I'm hoping it does not come down to that choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dubyadiprecession
(5,719 posts)Bernie will have to beg her for forgiveness first!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Trump would easily defeat a non-Democrat* and admitted Socialist**.
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* he said so himself.
** he said so himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,427 posts)Bernie is not in my Top 5 for the primary. However, if he is our nominee, I have zero reservations and will easily vote for him in the general election in November 2020.
That being said, Bernie (like Biden) starts with national name recognition and a support base the other candidates do not have. Once the field winnows significantly after IA, NH and SC (and it certainly will, possibly leaving 5 or fewer candidates), things will get interesting as people start to coalesce around a few candidates instead of ~20 candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
madville
(7,412 posts)So it's not a big risk to say that. He won't get over 50% of pledged delegates to win the 1st round at the convention, so his only chance would be the super delegates putting him over the top in a second round of voting and we all know that will never happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)and we have many good candidates to choose from. I will not vote for Sanders in the primary.
Strong in my thoughts yet is rape fantasy and a candidate whose female staff felt compelled to organize a union because of his tolerance of sexual harassment in his last campaign. His pushung of Sen. Feinstein and constant invasion of women's spaces by waving his hand in their faces is in my memory. Also his tolerance of abusive treatment of women who didn't support him by "bros" has stuck with me. He tolerated much bad behavior.
Equally strong in my memory is the dismissiveness of the concerns of the African American community until he had to be taught that other peoples existed outside of very white Vermont. Need I mention his dismissal of dumping his state's nuclear waste next to a poor Hispanic community?
His history of sucking up to the NRA and the weapons industry looms large.
I still haven't forgotten the ways in which he has used and abused the Democratic party while cozying up to Republicans since his bid to become mayor if Burlington. He's dusting off that playbook for another round.
Sometimes it has been hard to see how to choose between him and the Republican so I will focus now on the primary where I can work for a candidate of my choosing who reflects my values and who can be trusted to follow through.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Yes, those things bother me as well and WILL BE exploited by the GOP, I have zero doubts about that. We can (and must) do better than BS. We have so many brilliantly talented and qualified people seeking the nomination who are much more qualified.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)I am on the fence about Bernie, but he did release his taxes, and that was one of my MUST haves.
He complied, so that gives him a shot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Why post it? I think we already know the answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)This is a question that cannot be fully answered because only 1 answer is allowed by TOS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)there is nothing I can say or do to convince them.
There should only be one answer in this forum. Why? Because we know that some people will sit it out. I loathe the idea of that. I find it incredibly selfish and short sighted. Just like Trumps nutcase tweets, I dont have to read them to know hes there. Likewise, I dont need to keep seeing posts about this topic because there will always be people who just dont get it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)This a push poll question they asked about Sanders last time.
I hate push polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)times.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)The planet's enemy is trump.
Silly thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aeromanKC
(3,326 posts)Bernie will not get the nomination. This years field is too strong. Bernie is a horrible general election candidate. Almost worse than Hillary (who was the most qualified candidate ever!!) and she had 30 years of vilification by the far right to deal with. The GOP would go to town 24/7 on socialism socialism socialism bad bad bad if Bernie gets the nomination. Kudos to Bernie for energizing the progressive left, but to win the general we need the moderate middle. (See 2018 Blue wave as an example!!)
But if not moot, the answer would have to be yes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I'd have to vote for him, but I wouldn't "support" him. That's to say, I wouldn't donate, volunteer to canvas or phone bank, or otherwise actively support the candidate, as I have in the past. I simply have huge reservations about the man. I'd vote, because there would be no other choice, but that's about all.
I doubt he will be the "people's" choice, however. We've got a huge field here, and I doubt he (or possibly anyone) can garner the total number of delegates needed for the nomination unless the field reduces dramatically. The millennial voters who backed him as the only anti-Hillary choice available in 2016 now have some exciting other candidates, and their vote will be split. Older voters and minorities are hardly enthused by him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,320 posts)Just pondering it feels like forty tons of concrete falling over me...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I will support the Democratic nominee. Bernie will not be the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)But there are a lot of swing voters out there that didn't support Hillary when she was. Bernie doesn't have to worry about the loyal base; but he does have to worry about the average voter out there who know nothing of politics and will be easily alarmed by Bernie's positions on the issues. We may agree, but the ignorant are the ones who decide (the ones in the swing states).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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enid602
(8,629 posts)Ill support him, in the same way he and his goons supported the dem candidate during the last go round.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,019 posts)I'm not even sure he wants to be President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)Only in the eyes of the most devoted Sanders supporters is that true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,303 posts)Nina Turner, and Briahna Joy Gray will get THEIR VOTE?
Or will David Sirota, Nina Turner, and Briahna Joy Gray do a 2016 redux?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)Not the hardcore haters or people who feel totallyin synchronicity with Putin- but the ones who feel pressured by demands for equality and worry that they themselves will be marginalized if the equality revolutionaries become too "powerful" or if they think change is happening too fast).
I think most if not all of the current candidates are not talking about Putin and Russia--until we address the Russia factor a lot of Democrats are not going to be able to make an informed decision about voting for any candidate.
Also do not know whether Trump will be the candidate. Putin could decide to dump him in favor of someone else.
We need to confront the question whether we are already a vassel state or a state under attack but still with a large measure of freedom.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Gothmog
(145,427 posts)I will support the nominee but I really doubt that the nominee will be sanders. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. I doubt that sanders will be the nominee in that few Clinton supporters will support him and that sanders is not going to get any meaningful support from the African American base of the party unless sanders apologize to John Lewis and other African Americans for things like the planned stunt of booing John Lewis at the national convention
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,303 posts)from 2016:
80% of the Sanders voted for the Democratic nominee, 10% voted for Jill Stein or wrote in Sanders name, 10% voted for trump
The most interesting part of the Bloomberg report was the vast majority of those Sanders' supporters who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016 would do it again, and have no regrets
Among those who did not vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016 were David Sirota, Nina Turner, and Briahna Joy Gray
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)They're all in the upper echelons of the Sanders Campaign staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,303 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Bernie or Bust Voters Create Predicament for Democrats in 2020
By Sahil Kapur
April 17, 2019, 10:00 AM GMT+2
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-17/-bernie-or-bust-voters-create-predicament-for-democrats-in-2020
Sometimes things have to get ugly before they get better, said Melissa Mallaber, a 46-year-old social worker who attended Sanders rally in Pittsburgh on Sunday. Theres such a thing as necessary evils in life to restore the balance.
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I had this thought that maybe its gotta get real bad to get better, Donna Dunaj, 76, said at Sanders rally Saturday in Macomb County, Michigan. In other words, Trump wins, but we wouldnt let it happen again.
Dunaj said she backed Stein in 2016 and doesnt know how shed vote in 2020 if Sanders isnt the nominee.
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I dont like that mentality, said Ronnie Hasting, a 36-year-old union ironworker who attended Sanders Pittsburgh rally. Removing Trump isnt the only goal. Electing a corporatist Democrat is counterproductive, hence my vote for Jill Stein in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)I agree with Jim Messina on this https://politicalwire.com/2019/04/17/messina-says-sanders-cant-beat-trump/
Said Messina: I think if you look at swing voters in this country they are incredibly focused on the economy. I think today you look at it and say that Bernie Sanders is unlikely going to be able to stand up to the constant barrage that is Donald Trump on economic issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)1. He's not the "Clear favorite." He is certainly one of the favorites.
2. Polling and whatnot right now is iffy at best. Obama in April 2007 was certainly a contender, but he wasn't the clear favorite. Hillary was, and John Edwards had a real shot too. So Bernie is certainly established as someone who is going to get votes. Right now.
3. I see plenty of folks who can compete with him. I don't see anyone who has this remotely locked up.
So, what's the point of this post? Except to annoy folks who aren't already on Team Bernie?
Do you really think this is effective persuasion?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FarPoint
(12,417 posts)Not going to vote for him in the Primary....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)To prevent another 4 years of this nightmare.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)As for clear favorite, all the polls show that's Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,439 posts)you're pushing, too.
And, your silly request for a loyalty oath over nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-17/-bernie-or-bust-voters-create-predicament-for-democrats-in-2020
Wish Trump would put them both in cages for a few months. But they're feeling safe because they're white citizens and extreme cruelty to children doesn't fit in their righteous picture. And because "and then they came for me" is not in it either, unless the "they" is Democrats.
No, unfortunately not. That's the pumped-up justification for the inexcusable, including for many who indulged pathological levels of HillHate. This kind of thinking is intrinsic to most, not "repairable." They're Eric Hoffer's "true believers" who've found their leader, and they will do it again, righteously, considering necessary any costs they will admit to. Some choose to have no idea that their third-party votes helped elect Trump, others think it was necessary.
It would be a bitter, bitter day when I had to vote for someone who encouraged these people to be this way. Mercifully, the turnout of sensible, caring people after 2016 should swamp their toxic votes in both the primaries and the general.
And for a much-needed return to normality and reminder that civic duty and decency are normal:
"I think Trump does a pretty good job every day of putting up a big red warning sign of hey, dont do that," Trippi said.
Yes! As the midterms demonstrated so reassuringly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,439 posts)"Necessary Evils.. ".. like Kids getting Kidnapped.. Ripped from their parents arms. White Nationalists killing in the name of trump, Climate Change Crises.. you know Planet EARTH!! SCOTUS shite for generations.
"Necessary Evils".. my Democratic .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Democrats from power -- oh holy day when they vanquish us!, they'll be free to take care of their temporary "necessary evils" of the Republican Party, billionaire classes, religious rights (of every religion), white supremacists, nativist and nationalist factions of every color, fascists, etc. No problem. Their leader'll finish them all off in short order.
If it comes to it, some of us who care to can meet up and watch from a safe distance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)Link to tweet
"Can Bernie Sanders beat Donald Trump?" ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl asked Messina on the Powerhouse Politics podcast on Wednesday.
"No," Messina responded.,,,,
"I think if you look at swing voters in this country they are incredibly focused on the economy," Messina replied. "I think today you look at it and say that Bernie Sanders is unlikely going to be able to stand up to the constant barrage that is Donald Trump on economic issues."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(9,107 posts)ever economy" all the way to polling day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)That's all. It's a long road to the primaries and the convention.
We'll all vote for the nominee. Whoever it turns out to be. But, don't ask people to commit before there has been even one primary. That's just silly. Come back with your question on March 4, 2020. It will make more sense then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)I will absolutely support any current person running for the nomination.
If you harbor any doubts, listen to that recording of the migrant girl crying at the border.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,427 posts)trump wants to run against sanders and is afraid of Joe Biden
Link to tweet
The person that Trump cant figure out is Joe Biden. Trump has tried the Sleepy Joe attack but has flopped. Trump has now moved on to trying to attack Bidens populism by coining him 1% Joe. This also wont work, especially coming from Donald Trump. Trump fears Bidens populism and former vice presidents appeal in Rust Belt states.
Biden scares Trump, and that fear is never more obvious than when Trump starts talking about his potential opponents in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,635 posts)This op appears to be a trap. Whatever, I'll be voting blue no matter who and especially against cheetolini ... but I won't be very happy if its Sanders.
I'm editing my response to ask the question why anyone would think this post is a good idea?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,720 posts)I don't think he's qualified or up to the task, and I feel he'd run a similarly chaotic administration... but anything's better than trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Ill throw up in my mouth a little as I do it, but Ill crawl over broken glass to get to the polls and put my mark next to his name. Every other member of this board will do the same when push comes to shove.
That said, I doubt Ill have to do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)Biden is leading pretty much everywhere.
That being said, I'll support whomever we nominate. That's the easy part.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pamdb
(1,332 posts)I don't want Bernie, I want someone younger. Mayor Pete, Kamala Harris, Beto, Amy, this is THEIR future, ours in done
I'm 68 and I want someone younger than me. Having said that, I think the democrats need to keep this in mind:
DEMOCRATS FALL IN LOVE, REPUBLICANS FALL IN LINE this is what we need to remember and adhere to. Whomever is
the nominee I will vote for even if its not someone I really want. I don't care if its a man or a woman, black, white, or brown, gay or straight. As long as they can defeat pumpkin head.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,015 posts)I've cast for a candidate in more than 4 decades of voting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,574 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
What exactly is wrong with her?
"I just don't like her. Oh and uhm emails something... "
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,303 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,303 posts)the supporters of Sanders, and the Bernie or Bust from 2016 redux, and every indication has been given from the Sanders campaign that they have no problem with that, because they appointed three people to high positions in his campaign who not only voted for Jill Stein in 2016, but encouraged others to do likewise, up to the night before the election.
David Sirota, Nina Turner, and Briahna Joy Gray
but yeah OP, keep pushing the divisionary bullshit, when maybe the one's more likely not to vote for the Democratic nominee if it isn't THEIR candidate, is the candidate YOU are focusing on:
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-17/-bernie-or-bust-voters-create-predicament-for-democrats-in-2020
Bernie or Bust Voters Create Predicament for Democrats in 2020
By Sahil Kapur
April 17, 2019, 10:00 AM GMT+2
For a sliver of Sanders base, its Bernie or bust. They may detest President Donald Trump, but they didnt vote for Hillary Clinton and theyre not sure theyll back the Democratic nominee in 2020 if Sanders isnt on the ballot. Theyre willing do whatever it takes to push the party to adopt his ideas.
Sometimes things have to get ugly before they get better, said Melissa Mallaber, a 46-year-old social worker who attended Sanders rally in Pittsburgh on Sunday. Theres such a thing as necessary evils in life to restore the balance.
Mallaber said she cast a write-in vote for Sanders in 2016 rather than go along with a Democratic establishment choice who wouldnt take bold action on issues like health care and climate change. People had to wake up, she said. If we had another Clinton in office what would have changed?
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Dunaj, 76, said at Sanders rally Saturday in Macomb County, Michigan. In other words, Trump wins, but we wouldnt let it happen again.
Dunaj said she backed Stein in 2016 and doesnt know how shed vote in 2020 if Sanders isnt the nominee.
The die-hard Sanders fans often describe politics as a binary struggle between a wealthy ruling class and ordinary workers who are being exploited, and they see centrist Democrats as part of the problem. And theyre wholly unpersuaded by the argument that they should vote for a moderate Democrat over a Republican as the lesser of two evils.
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Hope Larkin-Begley, a computer programmer in Pennsylvania, came to the rally wearing a Sanders 2020 button, hat, sign and a peace-sign shirt with his name on it. She voted for Stein in 2016 and has no regrets about the outcome, saying the election of Trump ripped the veneer off the ruling class and steered the Democratic Party in the more left-wing direction of Sanders.
If Hillary had won wed be going down the same incrementalism road, she said. Its better to have a buffoon rather than a civilized smooth-talking charlatan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,574 posts)"It's better to have have a buffoon rather than a civilized smooth-talking charlatan."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Knows how much rests on them in this election. Not only should they work to get Senator Sanders nominated, as all of us do with the candidates we support, they also need to, they HAVE to work on their fellow supporters to ensure they vote for the Democratic nominee should Senator Sanders not be nominated. We don't have the luxury of faffing about and thinking that re-electing Trump will bring on a mythical revolution. A Trump victory in 2020 will kill people, and that blood will be evenly distributed between the Trump deplorables and the third-party voters, regardless of what state they live in. Any vote that *isn't* for the Democratic nominee gives Trump an increased mandate, should he, God forbid, be re-elected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,303 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,303 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sarge43
(28,941 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,134 posts)If he is because Joe doesn't run - I will vote for him in the general. If he's released the 10 years of tax returns like he said, I'd probably even work for him through FL Democrats where I routinely volunteer. If he doesn't, if other things come out where he's involved with Russia or not supporting his women volunteers, I'd still vote for him and I fear he'd 100% ensure drumfps' re-election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden