"Say What You Will About Biden . . ."

[flamingdem]

Remember Biden vs Ryan. Joe obliterated him!

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October 12, 2012

Vice President Joe Biden effectively made the case for a second Obama term, leaving Paul Ryan back on his heels, says Todd S. Purdum.

So many assessments of the vice president (including this one!) begin with that sentiment—and go on to sing his praises. His performance in the debate against Paul Ryan illustrates why.

But in a mirror image of last week’s Mile High triumph for Mitt Romney, it was Ryan who kept his head down and looked to his notes. He is no dope, and he had his moments, and held his own against Biden’s relentless attack. But Ryan needed his notes, because he was on the ropes throughout.

[Scurrilous]

1. K&R

[RHMerriman]

2. If Trump is on the ticket in 2020, I think 2012 Biden will clean his clock...

If Trump is on the ticket in 2020, I think 2012 Biden will clean his clock...

The question is if Biden is on the ticket in 2020, is 2012 Biden still around?

There's a reason Americans retire in their mid-60s, generally.

The presidency is not a position for septugenarians, as the current occupant has made crystal clear...

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[loyalsister]

6. when there has been an obvious difference

youth seems to have been an advantage. We have a lot of candidates who can bring that edge to the campaign against Trump.

[DownriverDem]

7. I'm not looking for young

I'm looking for someone who can beat trump. Edge has nothing to do with age.

[Cha]

9. Well put.

[brush]

27. Biden can think on his feet, as witnessed in that video from the 2012 VP debate.

He demolished Ryan and actually point the way for Pres. Obama in how to debate the repug clowns. Remember Romney got the best of O in their first debate.

Also, Biden is the one who coined the quip about Ghouliani—"A noun, a verb and 911."

[Cha]

33. Yes, Biden is awesome like that.. I

do remember the 1st debate that DU went ballistic over it.

I don't remember what it was that Obama did wrong.. but in the next debate I remember President Obama saying "..please proceed.." that was classic.

[loyalsister]

12. Youth is one factor that seems to have worked in favor of presidential candidates

Where there were clear differences...
Kennedy vs Nixon, Clinton vs. Bush, Clinton vs. Dole, Obama vs McCaine, Obama vs Romney. Reagan was a notable exception.
I don't buy any assumptions about who anyone claims is most likely to beat Trump right now. A lot is going to depend on voters' enthusiasm which was obviously not working in our favor in 2016. Nor in 2000 or 2004 when.
Our candidates need all possible advantages and we need a candidate who excites voters who have sat out in the past.

[RHMerriman]

20. True; then again...

Old age and treachery always overcomes youth and skill...


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[loyalsister]

21. Like John MCaine and George HW Bush?

Anger, age, and experience weren't enough to overcome a younger, more charismatic, relatively inexperienced candidate in '08
The Reagan administration and the CIA weren't exactly endearing marks for the elder Bush vs. Clinton.

The glaring modern exception to the youth advantage was. A younger, timid Carter who was not able to overcome the energy and "morning in America optimism" that Reagan was able to convey with his marginally capable acting skills. When he had incumbency on his side, former VP Mondale got stomped despite his experience, capability, and seriousness of his approach.

We have a lot of candidates who are not near the end point of the average life span. It's a reasonable consideration for candidacy for some people.

[RHMerriman]

22. True, but if Donald J. Trump is anything, vis a vis Joe Biden

True, but if Donald J. Trump is anything, vis a vis Joe Biden, "younger, more charismatic, (and) relatively inexperienced" ain't it...

[loyalsister]

23. There is still no appreciable age difference

In fact Biden and Sanders are a few yrs older. The age comparison between our older candidates and Trump is more like Bush vs Kerry and Bush Vs. Gore than either of Reagan's presidential races. Bush did have considerable treachery on his side.
In most races, back to Kennedy, comparative youth has been a distinct quality among the winning candidates.

[RHMerriman]

24. I think we're agreeing, aren't we?

I think we're agreeing, aren't we?

[loyalsister]

25. Sorry I was confused

Trump is definitely no Reagan. Although, I do worry some about the potential for an incumbency advantage.

[RHMerriman]

26. Understood.

Understood. I haven't nodded toward any of the Democrats yet, but I do think the potential mix of experience and youth/"different" Democratic ticket (Biden-Harris, for example, to pick the most obvious, although not the only potential partnership) could be truly daunting for Trump-Pence.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

28. Joe is no ordinary 76 year old.

His mind is still sharp as a tack. He may be slower, but he has not lost any ounce of passion . He still has his wits about him. And he speaks in PARAGRAPHS with complete sentences.

[RHMerriman]

30. Yes, what I've seen in the last few days is reassuring...

Yes, and what I've seen in the last few days is reassuring...but:

The presidency ages everyone who serves, however, and an 80-year-old president in 2024 is of concern...

[ProudMNDemocrat]

31. I am not concerned....

When we were in Canberra, Australia last Fall, my husband played an 18 hole round of golf with an 80 year old man from South Korea, an Aussie citizen. That 80 year old wore my husband out. The older man said he played golf 3 times per week, jogs 3 miles each day, didn't smoke, and did not look his age.

It depends on the kind of life you live, your diet, genes, etc. Joe keeps fit and active for a man his age. All that matters.

[RHMerriman]

36. Is the 80-year-old Australian the prime minister, though?

Is the 80-year-old Australian the prime minister, though?

[musicman65]

35. well stated

[musicman65]

34. We do not expect everyone

To be on the Biden side,however,forget age,,,go with the person,experience and the like,please let Him play it out,it is our only hope to out the orange one!!

[DownriverDem]

3. When Foreign Counties - Our Allies

are begging Biden to run, what does that tell you? Nothing in Biden's past compares with trump. He can beat trump. He won't take trump's crap. trump does not want to run against Biden. trump needs Pennsylvania. Biden can win Pennsylvania. He was born and raised in Pennsylvania. Biden has a close relationship with blue collar workers. They will support him because they know how much trump has screwed him. I would love to see Biden run with a strong progressive Dem woman (Harris?). She would then be positioned to become the first woman President! (remember we have not had a woman VP yet either)

[Cha]

15. Joe Biden has had so much

valuable experience.

[lark]

4. I avidly watched that debate and thought Biden was totally spectacular!

Media complained that he was too "emotional", but that was just the msm trying to pretend it was a horse race when Biden was ahead by a mile and Ryan looked totally inept and lost a lot of the time.

[BlueFlorida]

5. He will make a fool out of Trump too nt

[peggysue2]

8. Biden laughed Ryan out of town

Ryan, the Boy Genius, looked like an amateur in comparison. I suspect Joe Biden would be even less forgiving in a Trump/Mr Know-Nothing debate.

[Cha]

10. +1!

[Cha]

11. Mahalo, flamingdem!

[flamingdem]

13. Hola Cha!!

Team B!

[Cha]

14. Team B?

Oh, Biden? lol

[flamingdem]

18. Whoops. Team B could be Beto

or Bernie too. We'll have to go with Team Biden!

[Cha]

19. Yeah, sounds

much better!

[JI7]

16. is there anyone more overrated than Paul Ryan ?

i don't include Trump since most don't overrate him other than himself and his racist supporters who just get off on spewing bigotry with each other.

[flamingdem]

17. Think so!!

https://thinkprogress.org/the-most-overrated-intellect-in-washington-f785dbb48d1b/

[ProudMNDemocrat]

29. If Joe is the Democratic nominee, he will smile that smile at Trump....

at the debates, making Trump fume and turn red as a beet. Joe will make sure Trump sees him mocking him for all the world to see. Calling "Mularky" at Trump is worth popping gallons of popcorn for.

[dsc]

32. Watching this clip makes me want to scream

Look Biden did great in that debate so this isn't about him. But there was literally no coverage of issues in that clip. It was entirely about presentation.