Here's a question: what does anyone remember about Biden's campaign in 2008?

[brooklynite]

I saw him speak in Iowa at a cattle call (have one of his shirts); don't have any recollection of what he said.

[rurallib]

1. I remember he was one of the also rans in Iowa

at our caucus he was one short of being viable - that is getting a delegate.
Saw him at a couple of appearances. Nothing that really stood out about him.

Some of his volunteers were quite rabid.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Yeah, I recall he got something like 1% of the vote...then dropped out fast, which was smart of him

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Mr.Bill]

2. I remember when he debated Sarah Palin

her idiocy was confirmed.

[brooklynite]

4. Presumably he won't be as tough on democratic opponents as he was on Palin.

[tblue37]

32. I like the way he laughed at Paul Ryan:

https://m.

(Start at 1:01; then even better at 1:26.)

[Honeycombe8]

28. Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten that. "Can I call you Joe?" She was such an idiot.

And a fake.

[Mr.Bill]

38. She did that because in debate rehearsals

she kept calling him "Mr. O'Biden".

[Honeycombe8]

39. I saw the movie (great movie..Julianne Moore was a dead ringer for her).

I remember the movie showing the horrible debate practices with Palin. But I didn't remember that part. That's funny.

[Mr.Bill]

45. I didn't see that movie.

I read it somewhere.

[Honeycombe8]

47. Great movie! "Game Change" Julianne Moore, Ed Harris, Woody Harrelson.

[Mr.Bill]

49. Yeah, I want to see it.

Just haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm a big Julianne Moore fan.

[argyl]

68. Julianne Moore was right on the money as Sarah Palin.

And Sarah Paulson was splendid as Nicole Wallace.

[Honeycombe8]

69. When I was watching the movie, I sometimes forgot it was Julianne Moore....

she was so like Sarah Palin, that I forgot it was an actress altogether.

I don't remember much about the Nicole Wallace character.

[BlueStater]

3. The only thing I remember is his fantastic putdown of Giuliani.

It was so great that I actually think it began to turn the tide against that slimeball, who was riding high in Republican polls at the time. After that, everything seemed to fall apart for him.

[janterry]

5. plagiarism and gaffes

at first, it seemed interesting (blue collar run at the white house).

But the plagiarism

and then the gaffes.

[crazytown]

64. In 2008?

[yaesu]

6. I remember him being a strong candidate, not one to be pushed around yet level headed. nt

[janterry]

12. But he wasn't

I mean, he might be today. A lot of time has passed.

But back then it all imploded. Once the plagiarism came out.....it just snowballed.

[yaesu]

13. It imploded because that is what MSM wanted it to do, Biden got the Howard Dean scream treatment

Edwards haircut, ect... MSM has a way of corralling the sheep (voters) to slaughter. I'm sure he learned some good lessons & will ignore the ignorant.

[janterry]

14. The plagiarism was caught by Mike Dukakis staffers

and then followed up on by the press.

Here
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/08/why-biden-s-plagiarims-shouldn-t-be-forgotten.html
Here's a bit from Slate:
Biden lifted Kinnock’s precise turns of phrase and his sequences of ideas—a degree of plagiarism that would qualify any student for failure, if not expulsion from school. But the even greater sin was to borrow biographical facts from Kinnock that, although true about Kinnock, didn’t apply to Biden. Unlike Kinnock, Biden wasn’t the first person in his family history to attend college, as he asserted; nor were his ancestors coal miners, as he claimed when he used Kinnock’s words. Once exposed, Biden’s campaign team managed to come up with a great-grandfather who had been a mining engineer, but he hardly fit the candidate’s description of one who “would come up [from the mines] after 12 hours and play football.” At any rate, Biden had delivered his offending remarks with an introduction that clearly implied he had come up with them himself and that they pertained to his own life.

Most American political reporters were not so attuned to Britain’s politics that they recognized Kinnock’s words. But Michael Dukakis’ adviser John Sasso had seen the Kinnock tape. Without his boss’s knowledge or consent, he prepared a video juxtaposing the two men’s speeches and got it into the hands of Dowd at the Times, David Yepsen of the Des Moines Register, and NBC News. When the story broke on Sept. 12, Biden was gearing up to chair the Supreme Court nomination hearings for Robert Bork, Ronald Reagan’s far-right nominee. Biden angrily denied having done anything wrong and urged the press to chase after the political rival who had sent out what came to be called the “attack video.”

Unfortunately for Biden, more revelations of plagiarism followed, distracting him from the Bork hearings. Over the next days, it emerged that Biden had lifted significant portions of speeches from Robert Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey. From Kennedy, he took four long sentences in one case and two memorable sentences in another. (In one account, Biden said that Pat Caddell had inserted them in his speech without Biden’s knowledge; in another account, the failure to credit RFK was chalked up to the hasty cutting and pasting that went into the speech.) From Humphrey, the hot passage was a particularly affecting appeal for government to help the neediest. Yet another uncited borrowing came from John F. Kennedy.

[BlueFlorida]

15. If he was good for the great president Obama

he is good enough for me.

No one should ever question Barack Obama's thoughtfulness and judgment.

[janterry]

16. Nonsense

I liked Obama and - to some degree - like Biden.

But I always question everything - it's important to search for the truth.

eta: I also remember this campaign very well. Did you read the article? I remember how it went down.

[Skya Rhen]

25. Since you always question everything - do you also question Warren's Native American

claim that she has made throughout the years?

Do you realize that this self-inflicted issue has caused her to be where she is in the polls (stuck somewhere around 3%)?

[janterry]

30. Oh, yes. I looked at that carefully

n/t

[Honeycombe8]

44. I'm afraid that's true.

Because it involves minority status, and possibly trying to gain some advantage from it. And her explanation wasn't good. Then Trump was able to stamp her with the name, which he wouldn't have been able to do, if she had been more famous, I think.

Not that it's a Yuge issue for me or most people. But it's an issue.

[redstateblues]

53. I like Warren but that mistake has really hurt her campaign

At this point she is a second tier candidate.

[BlueFlorida]

36. Are you saying you are better than PBO

in reviewing Joe Biden? Remember, Barack Obama made the most critical decision of his 2008 campaign - everything hinged on his VP pick and he chose Biden.

Too bad he didn't get your input.

[janterry]

50. What on earth is wrong

I remember what happened. I remember what Biden did and why he had to leave the campaign.

I have no need to do more than that.

[BlueFlorida]

52. Are you saying President Obama

did not remember what happened and why he had to leave the campaign? He and his entire vetting team?

[Honeycombe8]

29. Obama was pretty good at selecting the right people, I think.

Biden had a lot of foreign policy experience & knowledge. Obama needed someone he could rely on for foreign policy expertise and advice. Biden was a loyal man, I think. Biden also knew the workings of Washington, which Obama did not.

A smart choice. They worked well together, is my understanding.

[Demsrule86]

17. So Slate is at again. Biden will beat Sanders.

[janterry]

20. You didn't bother to look at it because it's old

This is not anyone at anything again. This is just remembering what happened in the past - which is what the OP asked about.

FWIW, this is exactly what I remember - Slate offered a synopsis.

[Demsrule86]

21. I know exactly what is...Slate in the tank for BS.

[janterry]

22. This article was written Aug 25, 2008

n/t

[Demsrule86]

23. Wow...well than I dislike it more,..Biden haters....they hated Hillary too.

Last edited Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Why post an article 11 years old..ll don't click on any slate crap. I will never forgive them for 16.

[janterry]

26. I'm responding to the OP

which asks what I remember from his prior run.

THIS is what I remember.

I remember all of it - including the law school problems.

[LisaM]

34. LOL - that is EXACTLY what the OP asked!

I think it's fine to bring it up in that context. I had somewhat forgotten it, but as soon as I saw the name Kinnock, it all came flooding back.

I remember that he referred to Obama as being "clean and articulate", which kind of threw me for a loop, but Obama obviously saw past that. I think that they were a good team.

I also remember Biden saying that if he'd been the candidate, he'd have beaten Trump, which I thought was an unnecessary swipe at Hillary.

[Demsrule86]

24. We shall see. I want someone who can win the electoral college. And Biden

Was a great VP...he can help fix what Trump has done.

[femmedem]

43. The coal miner plagiarism is a tough one becauuse part of his appeal is his authenticity.

He comes across as sincere, trustworthy and relatable, despite being in D.C. so many years.

I think a lot of people could forgive cribbing a few sentences from JFK to make a point he believes. But if the press grabs ahold of the Kinnock speech that was written to sound so personal, it's going to undercut one of Biden's key strengths.

[Cha]

63. There's this report on the Neil Kinnock "plagiarism..

On Joe Biden's Plagiarism, tempests in teapots

snip//

Joe was twice accused of, and acknowledged (in a loose sense), plagiarizing; one time what he said, the other what he wrote.
It's hardly as bad as it seems; the first was a one off where he cited in a speech a british member of parliament Neil Kinnock's speech, forgetting that day to note Neil, whereas Joe had indeed credited Neil in six previous incidences of the very speech.
The second was as a freshman in college, claiming he was unfamiliar with the rules for citing sources, quelle surprise, happens regularly to freshman college students. Sophomores too.

The plagiarism accusations in the Kinnock-Biden case revolved around a speech which Neil Kinnock made to the Labour Party congress. When {Kinnock} asked in his emotional address why he was the 'first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university', ... When Joe Biden asked in a stump speech why he was the first Biden in a thousand generations to go to university, he meant the same thing.

Both were members of a left-wing party, waging war against the far-right leaders of their countries, Thatcher and Reagan. And that's why Neil Kinnock, when asked whether he was bothered by the appropriation of his words, responded that he wasn't; to the contrary, he {Kinnock} confessed to feeling 'flattered'.

https://psuaw.blogspot.com/

MORE.. https://www.democraticunderground.com/128753436

[femmedem]

67. Thank you!

That changes everything.

[janterry]

66. He always played loose with facts

at least back then. It's just part of his history.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/09/22/biden-academic-claims-inaccurate/932eaeed-9071-47a1-aeac-c94a51b668e1/?utm_term=.4f7d1d6a24c1

BIDEN ACADEMIC CLAIMS 'INACCURATE'
By James R. Dickenson
September 22, 1987

Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., his Democratic presidential campaign battered by charges of plagiarism in his campaign speeches and in a law school paper, admitted yesterday that some of his boasts about his college academic achievements were untrue, including the claim that he had finished in the top half of his class in law school.

In a videotaped exchange at a campaign coffee gathering in Claremont, N.H., last April 3, Biden also claimed that he had attended law school at Syracuse University on a full academic scholarship, that he had been named the outstanding student in the political science department as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware, and that he had graduated from Delaware with three undergraduate degrees.

In a statement yesterday responding to a story in the current issue of Newsweek magazine, Biden admitted that these claims were "inaccurate."

"As the complete record of my law school career indicates, which I released to the press last week, I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection on this was inaccurate," Biden said. "With regard to my being the outstanding student in the political science department, my name was put up for that award by Prof. David Ingersoll, who is still at the University of Delaware."

[iamthebandfanman]

7. Cant remember.

But i do remember how he treated anita hill back in the day. thats all i need to not be a fan.

[Demsrule86]

18. 40 year old shit. Biden can win the rustbelt...suggest you consider no other candidate can.

[Honeycombe8]

33. I remember him being respectful.

I saw almost all the hearing.

When viewed at the time...most men didn't know what to think about such allegations, and it wasn't rape or touching she was talking about. It was dirty talk. He gave her a lot of time to fully explain and report everything. He voted against Thomas for confirmation.

He was nice to Hill, as I recall. Maybe a bit condescending, as they all were (that was partly because of the era). I didn't see anyone else act better toward her, that's for sure.

[emmaverybo]

56. We forget Clarence Thomas's competing claim

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Yes. I recall Biden was respectful. True, the committee men were seriously castigated. It was said that Kennedy shied away from defending Ms. Hill because he was hiding his own misconduct with women. But what we tend not to factor in when we deconstruct the hearing is the vigorous, angry, aggrieved claim Thomas made. He called the hearing a lynching. That moment was powerful and should be re-played today to get a fuller sense of social and political ramifications implicit in this pivotal event.

Ms. Hill was entirely credible, but her case could not be proven unequivocally while his claim spoke to deep and abiding racial discrimination that certainly Biden and Kennedy did not want to be seen as upholding. Here Thomas had risen to the heights professionally and a bunch of white men, he implied, were subjecting him to public humiliation, and so much more than that. They were the standard bearers for deeply ingrained, historic , institutionalized racism, out to take him down for the color of his skin. I don’t accuse him of playing the race card. He perceived the situation in those terms and one could not discount his strong defense as being made on behalf of all black men in America.
Yes, we have come to view Ms. Hill as representing all women, and in particular, all women of color.
But this was not then the universally shared view. It was a heart-breaking situation. More would be revealed to affirm Ms. Hill and show the conservative agenda at work. As was true recently, the Republican leaders should not have put Thomas forward given her accusations and her own credentials.
Not so easy then and shouldn't be now to boil down the forces at play to one issue
and blame Biden for the outcome.

[Honeycombe8]

57. Oh, yeah. Now that you mention it, I remember that.

All those white men didn't know how to respond to that. It's not an easy thing to respond to, even today. No matter what you say, it won't sound good. It was staged, as well, I'm sure. A hint to the other white male Senators: if you don't vote to confirm me, you are taking part in a lynching. Well, it's a strategy.

What I remember most about Clarence Thomas' testimony was when I think it was Orin Hatch kindly interviewing him. Lotoya Jackson had come out with an autobiographical book in which she claimed her father or someone in the family had molested her. Hatch asked Thomas something like, "Why do you think someone would write a thing like that in a book, Judge? For everyone to read." Thomas replied (it was clearly an orchestrated Q&A): " I don't know, Senator, why a person would put something like that in a book." He said that angrily.

I don't know if it reads the way it was said, but I was shocked by that Q&A because they weren't angry about Lotoya Jackson being allegedly molested. They were angry that she'd PUBLICIZE it! To me, that said it all. They didn't CARE if Thomas was a pervert or harasser. They only cared that Anita Hill had the nerve to PUBLICIZE it.

[emmaverybo]

71. Wow

That moment I had not remembered or missed. So horrible. I had a student whose parents told her if indeed a relative had molested her she was a tramp. And they made it clear the worse sin was to talk about it.

[WeekiWater]

8. This is what I remember most.

https://m.

Then this.


https://m.

[Honeycombe8]

35. Boy that was great.Thanks.

I remember the first one. Don't recall the second. Very moving.

Like McCain, he's one of the most respected politicians in the country, I think.

[Cha]

61. Thank You, Weeki!

[larwdem]

9. This

A noun a verb and 911

[rzemanfl]

11. I have to wash socks. BBL. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

37. Is that what he said about Ghouliani? Too funny! nt

[rzemanfl]

10. I remember a debate question about whether he could control

his tongue and a one word answer. "Yes."

[Honeycombe8]

46. I remember that, now that you mention it. It was great!

The audience laughed or clapped, or both. It was a good moment.

[ecstatic]

19. I vaguely recall him zinging the hell out of Ghouliani...but that's it.

Something to the effect of: Giuliani's vocabulary consists of a noun, verb, and 911.

That seemed to end Giuliani's campaign in its tracks.

[Honeycombe8]

27. Not really.

He's run or President several times. I don't remember much about any of those times,and he never came close to being the nominee.

To be fair, no one who ran in 2008 against Obama had a chance.

But one thing is certain: He's the most experienced candidate at running for President!

But seriously, he is the most experienced at national campaigning, at foreign policy, with the workings of Washington, with dealing with difficult people. This may be his time. We'll see.

The debates will be important.

[UniteFightBack]

40. I don't remember anything about him and 2008. All I remember was I was voting for Hillary and

then this Barack guy came out of nowhere and he was really good too. But he was a young and new so.........

I figured we would vote Hillary now and then this young Obama guy has plenty of time to be President. So we should really be in the first 4 years of Obama's Presidency right now and that's what I remember about Joe Biden and 2008.

[delisen]

41. He made fun of the "Joe the Plumber" person.

[CentralMass]

42. I'm posting this without having watched it for the discussion. A 2008 campaign speech.

[redstateblues]

55. Joe stands between BS and the nomination.

The only thing they can't throw at him is "he's too old".

[CentralMass]

58. Time will tell.

[NurseJackie]

48. Age affects my memory too.

don't have any recollection of what he said.

Age affects my memory too.

So... what were we talking about?

[Midwestern Democrat]

51. In 2008, if your name wasn't Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, running for

the Democratic presidential nomination was a purely Quixotic quest. I'm not going to fault Biden, Dodd, Richardson, or pre-scandal Edwards for not being able to make any traction that year - there simply wasn't a third lane open.

[sarabelle]

54. Not necessary to knock a man who devoted his adult life to public service.

He is guilty of the same human faults as the rest of us and the other candidates. Here him out. Compared to Trump ...?

[brooklynite]

59. Jimmy Carter was great at public service...but he was a lousy candidate.

[karynnj]

60. he was excellent in the debates, especially on foreign policy

However, he seems not to gain traction.

Personally, I really wanted to support John Kerry, but he was not running. I had hoped that Dodd or Biden would impress me. I had ruled out Edwards, because he was awful in the 2004 general election. I did not want a return to the Clinton drama. I ruled out Richardson for various reasons. I liked Obama, but thought he might do better in a later year after gaining more experience. Dodd was immediately seen as too conflicted with Countrywide to even run for re-election to the Senate.

It was hard to put a finger on why Biden did not gain much traction. Biden was a good guy and he had experience. I really disliked how he ran the SFRC. Unlike Lugar, who usually allowed Senators to continue if they were involved in a productive line of inquiry when their time ended, Biden was pretty rigid. He also annoying thought he had to summarize everything each Senator brought out after his/her turn. Not to mention, he was awful on the Alito hearing including a 26 minute monologue that was almost more Biden than Alito! However, very few people watch Senate hearings for fun. Maybe he just could not convey a compelling reason to prefer him over Clinton or Obama.

So, I tentatively moved to support Obama, but was still concerned. When Kerry and Kennedy both endorsed Obama and made the case that he would be a great President, I was convinced.

[Cha]

62. On Joe Biden's Plagiarism, tempests in teapots

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:50 AM - Edit history (1)

snip//

Joe was twice accused of, and acknowledged (in a loose sense), plagiarizing; one time what he said, the other what he wrote.
It's hardly as bad as it seems; the first was a one off where he cited in a speech a british member of parliament Neil Kinnock's speech, forgetting that day to note Neil, whereas Joe had indeed credited Neil in six previous incidences of the very speech.
The second was as a freshman in college, claiming he was unfamiliar with the rules for citing sources, quelle surprise, happens regularly to freshman college students. Sophomores too.

The plagiarism accusations in the Kinnock-Biden case revolved around a speech which Neil Kinnock made to the Labour Party congress. When {Kinnock} asked in his emotional address why he was the 'first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university', ... When Joe Biden asked in a stump speech why he was the first Biden in a thousand generations to go to university, he meant the same thing.

Both were members of a left-wing party, waging war against the far-right leaders of their countries, Thatcher and Reagan. And that's why Neil Kinnock, when asked whether he was bothered by the appropriation of his words, responded that he wasn't; to the contrary, he {Kinnock} confessed to feeling 'flattered'.

https://psuaw.blogspot.com/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128753436

[janterry]

65. He got an F and it was in law school

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html

You may not consider it serious - that's fair.

But what you write are not the facts. Also, you should double check the Kinnlock facts. What you write are not accurate. It was much more than that.

[Recursion]

70. He and Chris Dodd cancelled each other out

"This question is for the grey-haired east coast white guy who does a lot of stuff with banking. No, the other one."