A primary without southerners?

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In 1964 we had Johnson, then 1968 had Lestor Maddox, then 1972 had Terry Sanford and George Wallace, then 1976 and 80 had Jimmy Carter, in 84 Fritz Hollings, 88 Al Gore, 92 and 96 Bill Clinton, 2000 Gore, 2004 and 2008 Edwards, 2012 no primary, 2016 O'Malley (admittedly a bit of a stretch but Maryland is Southern) and now 20 candidates and no real Southerner. Yes Beto O'Rourke and Julian Castro are from Texas but Beto is from El Paso which is literally as far west as New Mexico and Castro is from San Antonio which is also quite far west. Neither one reads as southern in the same way as Clinton or Gore or Edwards. O'Malley also reads as not very southern. It is interesting that our party, that for the last few generations always had southerners running seems to be moving away from that. If Abrams runs we could still have our southerner.

[msongs]

1. and how many southern states voted for hillary? nt

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3. One on edit actually 2

though both Florida and North Carolina came close and might well vote for our nominee this time (NC in 2018 we went 3 for 3 on statewide races which had people in them, won the contested 2 party vote in both Congress and for our state legislature, and split 4-2 on Constitutional amendments). On edit Maryland is a southern state so it should be 2.

[pstokely]

11. is VA still a "southern" state?

many "southern" states are filled with Northern transplants?

[Recursion]

15. VA isn't even purple anymore, GA is realistic

And MS and AL both had incredibly strong D Senate showings last year in special elections

[patricia92243]

2. I'm a Southerner and have never considered Texas as a Southern state.

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4. Johnson was a southerner

and east Texas is pretty southern.

[DesertRat]

6. Having lived in Texas, I can tell you it is a Southern state.

My DH is from SC and he felt at home with the culture in TX

[empedocles]

5. Southern pols do understand some things that others don't seem to. Ala LBJ.

The most productive Prez for the ages.

[hay rick]

7. Southern Democrats occupy very few of the stepping stones to higher office...

Meanwhile, Virginia and Maryland are more Acela corridor/DC suburb than southern heritage at this point.

[OilemFirchen]

8. Maryland is a southern state, while Texas is not?

Hang on...



Oh. I get it now.

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13. I didn't say Texas wasn't a southern state

but someone from El Paso which is further west than much of New Mexico isn't a southerner as much as a westerner.

[JI7]

9. Southerners for the Democratic Party is now mainly african americans and other minorities

democrats have done well in places like Texas , Virginia, north carolina, georgia etc because of large more minorities moving in .

[pstokely]

12. also the large amount of yankee transplants in those places

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the blood red southern states have less transplants and growth

[JI7]

10. Jim Webb in 2016

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14. I forgot about him

he would be the southerner in 2016

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19. El Paso isn't the South

Castro might have some case there but not Beto. No one hearing him is thinking Clinton or Gore or Edwards.

[Recursion]

17. Only because Abrams isn't running

She's working on registering GA voters and fighting voter suppression instead. Turning Georgia would be quite a coup.

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18. Has she decided

I didn't think she had decided not to run.

[dalton99a]

21. Is Texas Southern, Western, or Truly a Lone Star?

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/is-texas-southern-western-or-truly-a-lone-star/

Is Texas Southern, Western, or Truly a Lone Star?
By John Nova Lomax
Mar 3, 2015

It’s that time of year again, that time when old-school, mainly Anglo Texans celebrate, commemorate—and in some extreme cases—reenact the fall of the Alamo, the massacre at Goliad, and the decisive victory at San Jacinto. William Barrett Travis’s letter from the Alamo is dusted off and forwarded around the Internet, along with Davy Crockett’s zinger about where you all could go (Hell) and where he was going (Texas).

Meanwhile, here in Houston, Go Texan Day has just come and gone, which found office workers nervously hoping that they could still squeeze into last year’s gingham dress or tight-fittin’ Wranglers, and schoolkids of every race, color, and creed clomping around their school halls in cowboy boots most will never wear again. Roads normally clogged with motorized traffic were instead all a-clop with the hooves of hundreds of horses, as the spur-janglin’ trail riders and trundling chuckwagons finally arrived at their Memorial Park campsite after many miles of hard riding on paved roads. Go Texan Day kicks off the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, twenty days and nights of cattle auctions, bull-riding and barrel-racing, and (mostly) country music concerts, all in honor of Houston’s venerable heritage as one of the America’s great Western cowtowns.

The trouble is, the whole thing is built on a big fat piece of historical fiction. Houston was never a cowtown, at least not in any meaningful sense, and it never even pretended to be for the first century of its existence. The same goes for Dallas, which, while only 32 miles from Fort Worth, the real Cowtown, and situated on the very edge of what we have come to see as the American West, was always, like Houston, much more about cotton than cattle—at least until Spindletop blew in.

The same went for the entire state of Texas east of what is now Interstate 35, which was where the vast majority of the people lived and was every much a part of the King Cotton economy as Alabama or Mississippi. Counties were named in honor of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, John C. Calhoun, Stonewall Jackson, and John Bell Hood. Most towns of any size sported a prominent monument to its Confederate dead, and up until the early twentieth century, Dallasites and Houstonians saw themselves as just as Southern as Memphians or New Orleanians.

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I'd say East of I-35 is Southern.

[appalachiablue]

22. Many variables, US Census Bureau Includes MD & DE in the SOUTH:

Business Insider, 2018. The United States is divided into many different regions and subregions — and not everyone agrees on where each state falls.

•The United States is made up of many different regions and subregions. •Government agencies have different ways of grouping the states based on geography, culture, or other factors. •We compiled several maps that show the different ways US states are grouped into regions.
There are countless ways to divide the US on cultural, geographical, and even racial lines. There are so many ways, in fact, that different government agencies all seem to have different ways of doing it. The US Census Bureau, for example, considers there to be four regions of the US: the Northeast, the Midwest, the South, and the West. Meanwhile, the Bureau of Economic Analysis uses a map that splits the country up into eight regions, from New England to the Rocky Mountains to the Great Lakes.

- US Census Bureau, SOUTH:



The South claims more states than any other region: Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma.
Washington, DC, is also included in the South, according to the Census Bureau.

"Even The US Government Can't Agree On How To Divide Up The States Into Regions," Business Insider, 5/10/18.
https://www.businessinsider.com/regions-of-united-states-2018-5

*"Why No One Can Agree Where The SOUTH Really Is," Business Insider, 5/03/18.
https://www.businessinsider.com/south-states-usa-2018-5

"The South is the fastest growing region in the United States. •But not everyone agrees on where the South actually is. •Experts have varying opinions on which states are part of the South, and there are several things to consider when deciding whether a state is Southern..."