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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:57 AM

 

My first impression: Biden is on the wrong track already...

His campaign announcement about Charlottesville and the moral condition represented by Trump is a stirring message..but it’s not HIS message. Biden has never been a civil rights messenger. Yes, he’s good at standing up to bullies, but that comes later. His raison d’etre is that he’s the candidate who’s supposed to appeal to the working class guy in Scranton, and that should have been the focus. We won the 2018 election on the beasts of economic arguments, and that wasn’t mentioned at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Pete Buttigieg

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:59 AM

1. Wasnt just civil rights

 

It was sanity.
Decency.
Rule of law as well.
All things maggot lacks.
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Response to MFM008 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:02 AM

2. Perhaps, but I don't see that as a message that resonates with his voting base

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:27 AM

18. That won't resonate with black women? Yeah OK. nt

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:13 AM

48. I'm OK with reality! nt

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:15 AM

49. Women, primarily black women are the base of the Democratic party

 

And our most faithful voting bloc.
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Response to mcar (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:09 AM

84. +1. nt

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:08 AM

95. Majority of white women vote Republican

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:30 AM

105. So true, I am thankful for their presence and

 

powerful voices.
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Response to mcar (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:20 PM

151. +10

 

It was women of color that first saw through tRump* and his con-job bullshit, and it is women of color that continue to beat back the insanity.
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Response to Raster (Reply #151)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:23 PM

152. Yes!

 

And I salute, support, and stand with them.
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Response to mcar (Reply #152)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:34 PM

153. Oh HELL YES!!!

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:20 AM

50. So you think that white, non-hispanic voters won't vote for a POC for POTUS?

 

2008
2012

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:28 AM

101. Sanders voted for the crime bill.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #101)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:11 AM

116. Does that mean Biden didn't?

 

Two wrongs. eom
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Response to shanny (Reply #116)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:32 PM

142. No but if that is disqualifying for Biden same is true for Sanders.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #142)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:11 PM

145. no argument

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:56 AM

66. Brooklynite, he spoke of America's CORE PRINCIPLES

 

and that we are in a "battle for the soul of this nation. The core values of this nation, our standing in the world, our very democracy, everything that has made America, America, is at stake."

Your OP shows that you missed it. All other campaign issues, including the one you assign him, are secondary to and dependent on committing to our principles and winning this battle.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights."


Joe quoting our nation's intensely liberal mission statement, the Declaration of Independence. For nearly 250 years many strong conservatives have disagreed and sought to eliminate these beliefs from not just our nation's laws but from our national character.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:14 PM

127. He should have paraphrased that quotation

 

as all people are created equal

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #127)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:30 PM

132. Ok, But I quoted as written assuming everyone

 

Understands what is meant, and how it has been interpreted under our laws for several decades now, implicitly right down to their bones.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #132)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:37 PM

134. I know that's what you quoted

 

because that’s an exact quotation from the Declaration of Independence. But my contention is that the focus on “men” still rubs many women the wrong way.

In a paraphrase of the quotation using “people,” Biden could have shown that he is for universal equality.

It still rubs me the wrong way
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Response to rusty fender (Reply #134)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:09 PM

138. Some are just that way. No doubt hard on them,

 

but there are medications and counseling, also soothing creams, to help if it wears them too raw. I like that our society doesn't actually need the slightest paraphrasing for it to mean it does. I'm also a great admirer of Jefferson. It was and still is a magnificent document.

Back to the war for our nation's soul, Democrats believe in and have always protected a living, flexible constitution that develops and advances as society does. That's one of the very biggest principles we must defend against the barbarians.

When we worry about conservative majorities on SCOTUS and Biden speaks of the soul of America, it's because they are within sight of beginning the reversal of nearly 250 years of liberalism, very much including re-interpretation of our constitution to eliminate liberalism and progressivism from our legal systems and other government institutions.

Keep your eyes on the prize, Rusty.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #138)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:15 PM

139. Gold Bond, Aquaphor

 

Good one, Hortensis!

No doubt about keeping my eye on the prize. It’s no secret that I dislike Biden. He is very close to being my last choice among the Democrats who are running, but I wii absolutely vote for him if he is our nominee
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Response to rusty fender (Reply #139)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:29 PM

140. I was just thinking that this has to be an irritating

 

day for those who really want to move on from the Bidens, etc. Completely understandable.

Fwiw, Biden is part of today's modern world when it comes to the VP role, no longer the worst job in the world but developing into a very important one. At least for Democratic VPs.

The Republican Party's becoming even more hierarchal and authoritarian than before, a good trick.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #66)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:46 AM

157. Thank You for your

 

post, Hortensis.

Yes, the OP missed it.. but Thank Goodness so many got it.

It was heart and soul searing to me.. not about civil rights per se.. but about all human rights that are being slowly but determinately taken away.

Biden took it straight to the eye of the Psycho, and leaves zero doubt what he intends to do to Trump during the next 18 months. Outstanding!
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Response to MFM008 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:37 AM

27. Agree it was a

 

Great first message. Sanity among hate and chaos.

Suited me fine.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:57 AM

44. An Appeal

 

To our better nature. Something that is missing in Trump, his followers and the Republicans who are afraid to stand up.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:00 AM

45. why are you attacking Beto ? Biden is fine , no need for the ugly attacks on Beto

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:28 AM

57. calling him a clown and criminal is an attack

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #51)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:31 AM

60. You called Beto a fraud, a criminal, and a clown,

 

but you didn't mean it as an attack?

Welcome to DU.

Have a donut.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:32 PM

141. Did he take his coffee on the way out?

 

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #141)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:33 PM

144. I should have given him the whole box of donuts.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:02 AM

3. Silly. Remember when people thought the roll out of Hillary's logo

 

Was the end of her campaign?
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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:04 AM

4. Didn't say it was the end...but it raises flags for me...

 

The video makes it clear that there WAS an intent to kick off in Charlottesville, which got them into trouble.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:06 AM

5. Everything he said was the truth. I have no problem with it.

 

And he should have been able to open his campaign in Charlottesville as far as I am concerned.
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Response to Name removed (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:22 AM

16. .

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:50 AM

38. ...

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:39 AM

29. I thought it

 

Was against the rules to bad mouth Democrats.

Why do you feel it necessary to top post this? Your opinion,only.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:06 AM

6. What was your second impression?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:30 AM

22. I didn't know he did impressions?

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:50 AM

64. still-one, That was SO BAD,

 

my neighbors called 911 when they heard me groan. They were sure I was dying.
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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:16 AM

73. LOL. I know. I couldn't help myself

 

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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:21 PM

128. Actually your comeback was far far better!!!!!!!

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:11 AM

115. +1

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:07 AM

7. he has to win the democratic primary first and that's won through appealing

 

to people who feel civil rights is a top issue.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:09 AM

8. Yeah, there is definitely a lot of weirdness around this.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:12 AM

10. No. that's your opinion.

 

I've seen too many others who loved it.
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Response to Cha (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:15 AM

12. Maybe other people love weirdness.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:18 AM

15. Maybe you just have

 

insults.
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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:20 AM

97. Yep n/t

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:40 AM

31. I am one of them.

 

I see sour grapes in this thread.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:28 AM

19. Yes there certainly is *ahem ahem* nt

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:34 AM

24. Why use the word "weird?"

 

Isn't that basically how Trump describes Joe?
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Response to watoos (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:28 AM

58. I dunno. Is it?

 

I used it because the confusion over timing, location and message before it came out didn't speak well to an old hand's rollout.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:25 AM

99. Yeah get that agesist shot in there

 

Along with a lot of presumptions about the rollout that you don't know for sure.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #99)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:33 AM

106. Good call, I'll use "experienced" from now on. Thanks for the check.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:58 AM

125. What's wrong with the timing, it seems pretty good to me.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:46 PM

135. It appears to have been very effective

 

and Joe is dominating the news cycle. Most reactions have been very positive. It is only the first official step, there will be much more to follow. I think it speaks very well for a seasoned and experienced politician.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:12 AM

9. I didn't see Biden's message as a Civil Rights message.

 

I saw it as a statement about our choice of what kind of nation we are.
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Response to democrank (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:13 AM

11. Yes.

 

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Response to democrank (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:17 AM

14. yes

 

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Response to democrank (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:29 AM

59. Exactly. nt

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:25 AM

17. I think you are really off base here. This is for the SOUL OF AMERICA. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:29 AM

21. +1!

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:29 AM

20. I disagree. This is a non-issue. If this is the most pressing issue facing Biden, then he will

 

have a very smooth road ahead.

The fact is though, there will be other issues brought up, and it is those issues that will be the challenge. This isn't one of them


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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:33 AM

23. This has always been Biden's message.

 

The beauty of it is he doesn't need to dog whistle to get his base out.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:35 AM

25. I loved it, ucr..

 

It went right to the heart and soul of America.. where it should be.
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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:39 AM

30. I think he's off to a great start

 

and that's a VERY good thing!

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:45 AM

34. Yes, he had a peaceful

 

calming effect.. our elder statesman And, he looked good, too!

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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:45 AM

35. Same here!

 

I will be watching that clip over and over. You can bet the media will.
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:47 PM

148. Taking the heart and soul of America

 

right to trump's door was perfect, True Blue American!

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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:14 AM

86. Moi aussi!

 

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #86)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:49 PM

149. Oui, Mme Defarge!

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:37 AM

26. You couldn't be more wrong.

 

You are so over the top wrong that it just seems strange. You clearly have zero clue about the Violence Against Women’s Act, the work of the Biden Foundation, and his career as a whole.

His message was about an idea that encompasses more than your shortsighted view. But you knew that before you hit post.
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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:41 AM

33. Thank You, Weeki!

 

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:55 AM

41. 1000+

 

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:27 AM

100. This.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:37 AM

28. His policies won't mean shit,

 

if he doesn't first and foremost take on Trump toe to toe. Our candidate needs to be as tough as nails, if he/she is not it doesn't matter what their policies are if they can't knock Trump right on his fat azz.

Joe did just fine.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:41 AM

32. I think 2018 was won largely because decent people of both parties or no party are appalled by Trump

 

This messaging isn't just about civil rights; it's about core decency which is very much part of Biden's appeal.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:53 AM

39. I've been clear about this before: our winning candidates said that voters did NOT feel that

 

Voters didn't want to talk about Trump; they wanted to talk about jove, healthcare, education costs and other economic issues.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:09 AM

83. By Jove! I think you've got it.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:28 AM

102. Since tRump will most likely be on the ballot in 2020

 

Voters will be talking about him.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:29 AM

103. It is a reelection...so I disagree. Trump must be held to account.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:11 PM

150. Yes,it was. Reminding us of what our Country stands for.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:47 AM

36. Joe's going after American's with a sense of decency. Just like Obama would have, I'm good.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:47 AM

37. Perhaps you should take a meeting with him

 

and make him change his ways with your erudite, perspicacious and prescient wisdom.
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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:23 AM

53. Ad hominem attacks certainly wouldn't be part of the discussion...

 

Perhaps you could try to respond to my points as other were able to.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:56 AM

42. I disagree

 

Joe is our best candidate
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:57 AM

43. I just watched it and it made me tear up.

 

I was very moved by his announcement. I thought it was great.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:07 AM

47. I disagree, completely.

 

I think you may not have a clear view of whom comprises Uncle Joe's base. Sure, it's Pennsylvanians and the folks of Michigan. It's also women of color, too. All of these folks will find a message about decency appealing.

I did not get "civil rights" from his video. Instead, I heard an urgent call for civility. I felt emotional call for us return to the ideals that we all typically share. "Haven't we wallowed in this nastiness long enough," (not a quote, just a summation of his message, to me).

This was a call to the folks who stayed home, not thinking Dolt45 would be this terrible. It's also a call to arms of the gate keepers and institutions of our society.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:22 AM

52. lol ...

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:24 AM

54. I just watched it and disagree

 

Charlottesville was a crystallizing moment in our history and shouldn't be forgotten or buried under the load of scandal. We are better than that. Joe is reminding us.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:27 AM

55. Somehow I'm guessing that Biden is not one of the

 

“prominent” Dems you like to post about having lunch with.

Call it a wild guess.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:27 AM

56. First impressions can't always be trusted.

 

Sometimes they reveal more about our own limitations than anything else. I’m not a working guy from Scranton, but I’ll venture a guess that Joe doesn’t need to prove himself to working guys. By now, the fact that he’s “one of them” goes without saying. Why would he want to stay on that narrow track at this point?

My list of worthy candidates is still long, and so far none of them are heterosexual old white men with problematic past mistakes. That said, I was stirred by Joe Biden’s words. If he can open the hearts and minds of working guys in Scranton to include the rest of us in their vision of America, I’m glad he’s in.
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Response to ariadne0614 (Reply #56)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:30 AM

75. As a heterosexual old white man with problematic past mistakes, I salute

 

you.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:40 AM

61. Glad to see Joe confront white supremacy which is the central theme of the GOP

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:49 AM

63. Me, too. (nt)

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:10 AM

71. +1

 

Excellent point.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:48 AM

62. I wasn't aware that only one candidate can 'own' a civil rights message.

 

I thought all Democratic candidates are supposed to be beating that drum in this age of the rise of White Supremacy.

I guess "working guy in Scranton" doesn't include "working man/woman of color in Scranton?"



And if indeed he already has the WHITE MALE voter appeal, wouldn't it be a wise strategy to make it a point to demonstrate to POC that he prioritizes them and the dangers confronting them as much as he does the "white working guy in Scranton?"

Perhaps you are not his intended audience. White men are often baffled when their POV is not the one represented front and center.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #62)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:14 AM

119. +++ plus over the next 10-12 years they need to get a new code word . Working class is already

 

1/2 womenz and by 2030 will be a majority of non white workers

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:53 AM

65. Disagree completely. Biden's announcement could not have been better.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:01 AM

67. We tried to point out how bad Trump was in 2016 and it did not

 

work. They don’t care. He should have focused on an economic message.
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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:29 AM

74. I'm sorry but your response made me giggle.

 

We won in 2018 because the American people want a check on Donald Trump, want Trump to be held accountable.

Yeah, Joe could have said the stock market is booming because Trump artificially inflated it by giving the rich and corporations 1.5 trillion dollars and tax breaks that never expire.
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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:32 AM

76. We have had 2+ years of him.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:06 AM

68. I think Biden may go the way of Lieberman in 04.

 

Thats how I feel this might play out.
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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #68)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:30 AM

104. Yeah ok... he will beat Sander so there is that.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #104)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:45 AM

123. We shall see.

 

They are neck and neck.
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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #123)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:32 PM

133. Not really...New Hampshire shouldn't be In play.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:08 AM

69. Hmmm

 

Oh well didn’t go the way you wanted.
Isn’t the message you wanted him to focus on - white working class -economics basically Sanders / Pete B ‘ s niche?
Glad his announcement had a bigger message for all that this is America, but everyone will react different to that message
That’s not how I interpreted 2018 wins - all about economic issues again other people will see it different
I’m glad he sees past division as a win and $$ to the heart and soul of the country being assaulted everyday trump sits in the WH
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Response to lunasun (Reply #69)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:33 AM

78. I didn't WANT it to go any way...

 

He's not my candidate at this point, so I'm assessing his prospects dispassionately. Yes it's true that Sanders, Buttigieg are Ryan are going after the working class voter (Sanders without the geographic targeting) but it's still Biden's natural constituency. You could just as easily argue that he shouldn't focus on civil rights since Harris, Booker and Castro are targeting those issues as well.

As for the 2018 election results: this isn't my "interpretation". This is what the many candidates I talked to told me was on the minds of the voters.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:17 AM

87. Focus on civil tights? That's not how it hit me.

 

Knowing how anti Biden you have been it’s not surprising that you had a negative reaction. I’m sure it’s frustrating that your candidate’s campaign isn’t getting any traction
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #87)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:29 AM

89. Point to how I've been "anti-Biden".

 

As for Hickenlooper, I've said before I don't get emotionally invested in my candidates, and I'll happily replace him if a better candidate comes along. I had lunch yesterday with Kamala Harris' campaign manager and was impressed enough to give her another look. And I'll be meeting with Amy Klobuchar this evening.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #89)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:19 PM

156. How did the meeting go? n/t

 

-Laelth
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:32 AM

91. I didn't see it as a message about civil rights, so it would be hard for me to argue that slant

 

The focus imo was about the state of the nation
"We are in the battle for the soul of this nation," Biden said.

That message can speak to all Americans concerned.

Imo that would appeal to and include white working class who are concerned about what has happened under trump just like it would appeal to many others of different class or color.

It should speak to those of that target group who have an understanding of who we are as a whole in America
But I don’t know if it will
Everyone hears something different from a candidate even though it’s the same speech and will react differently to the same images in a video.
If all that target group sees is an over emphasis on civil rights from Biden’s announcement so be it , there are other candidates for them

Time will tell if his is a winning campaign strategy that can unite


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Response to lunasun (Reply #91)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:10 PM

126. Right on!

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:09 AM

70. Against the Trumpian backdrop, Biden's act of sanity nearly seems deviant...

 

but normality is refreshing. There's nothing that Biden said that's out of the realm of normal political rhetoric. Biden is more like a normal politician who's been around so long, he's like dandelions in the front lawn. But he's showing bright, optimistic colors. That's important for the body politic to absorb. He's not so much "Uncle Joe" as he is "Grandpa Joe." But a strong segment of the voting public will show an appreciation for an old face, and old voice. There's nothing wrong with that. He will generate more relief than excitement. Others in the race, where the new talent reside, are more prone to ignite a movement. But movement or not, the sanity argument may end up being the single most important factor in opposing The Monster.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:12 AM

72. Its probably strategic. He may think he needs to appeal to black voters and to the left

 

for the primaries. The working class theme will be used for the GE. He has to get the nomination first though.
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Response to mr_liberal (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:45 AM

109. A fatal flaw of the Clinton campaign was assuming she had her base voters banked...

 

...before trying to expand the pool. Biden should start with with working class economics and expand from there.

Consider the following: Biden was seen taping video in Scranton, which obviously didn't make it into the final cut. They obviously thought that was a message target at one point.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #109)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:12 AM

117. Instead they went with "Never Forget". It works for me.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:32 AM

77. did we watch the same ad????

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:46 AM

79. For this thread

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #79)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:47 PM

147. Joe stopped that one dead in its tracks this morning.

 

That Fox guy never knew what hit him.

“Welcome to Delaware.”
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:47 AM

80. Inspiring

 

Our core American values - strongly put - and contrasting, and challenging, directly with/to the creature in the WH. He can go into issues and platforms later, this was his introduction. I liked it, felt inspired, and I'm not a Biden Supporter yet. May be later. Still thinking and comparing. Too soon to choose, for me.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:55 AM

81. Gerard today

 

that this is only one of the rollout. Next is a discussion about job loss in certain areas.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:56 AM

82. He's not running in the general election...

 

... right now. You want him to use his time to campaign to win the votes of the people he most likely has already? He's positioning himself to win the more liberal voters.

Seems a reasonable strategy.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:11 AM

85. It's a national emergency (stupid)!

 

I mean no disrespect to you. If these were normal times it would be the economy ...

Peace.
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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #85)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:52 AM

112. You've nailed it. Thank you for clarity of purpose.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:21 AM

88. Money is the message.

 

Trump won the election with "Lots of good paying jobs" and "Make America Great Again". Those voters are up for grabs because Trump failed in those promises. The winning message is "Good paying living wage job" and "Make America Fair for You and Your Kids". The other issues had those voters in 2016. Don't need to reinforce the issues that are already have won. Need to get the extra votes to win. Those are the voters that can't afford medicine or medical care or to send their kids to college. Trump deserted and disappointed them but he can lie them into voting for him again unless our candidate champions them. The voters that can determine the election are too busy trying to survive to analyze issues. Unless their problem of affording to live is the prime message they will "wait to see what happens" and be vulnerable to Trumps lies. Winning them has to overcome the guy that could:
Jan 24, 2016 · "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said ..."
Forget about attacking or showing what a contradiction Trump is.
Our candidate has to promise to fulfill Trumps promises of lots of good paying jobs and make America Great Again. The voters that gave Trump the election had a heritage of lots of Good Paying Jobs in the 50s, 60s and start of the 70s. The poverty of the working poor was a choice made by the GOP . They passed every possible law to short circuit money from jobs producing investments into paper trading to huge stagnating reserves.
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Response to Prosper (Reply #88)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:43 AM

108. well said

 

feel good fuzzy feelings won't cut it
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Response to Prosper (Reply #88)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:05 AM

113. IMO voters who want to increase coal production, force tariffs etc. in hopes of personal $$ benefit

 

will not be interested in Biden
Other dem candidates will get some of those votes in a primary but plenty of voters will stick with trump and his way back machine
Sentimental wishes and unrealistic promises are not a good strategy to me but many voters hated that Clinton was realistic about where healthcare could go in one term and rejected Obamacare because Obama I guess, so there will always be those who will go after the carrot in front of them instead and trump has already promised super duper healthcare after 2020

I actually appreciated that Biden went beyond a wish " to go back in time " message to address concerns about America today, what is happening , the crossroads we are at, and America's future

I was hoping he would not draw primarily on a wish to return to the Obama years as a message and he did not

or like trump a fantasy of return to life 60 or more years ago

(which I think did not include healthcare for all or free college although Medicare / Mediaid and Pell grants were passed in that era, but that was all by democrats like Pell & LBJ moving it forward - maybe bring that up more often to trump voters instead-)

Plus do we really want to embrace trumps slogan?
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Response to lunasun (Reply #113)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:52 PM

136. Slogan

 

"Plus do we really want to embrace trumps slogan?"
Trump had no problem embracing what should have been the Democratic Slogan and he won the election with it. Yes, take back our slogan.
Do you really want to win? The issue that will get the winning votes is economic. Middle class kids will face a lifetime of debt when graduating from college. Remember that over 45,000 people die each year from lack of medicine and health care. Those dying are in the families of the working poor. No excuse for working poor. Good paying jobs, free education and REALLY
affordable healthcare are salvation to the working class.
"trump and his way back machine" which was a lie. Nothing wrong with undoing fifty years of pro super wealthy legislation and turning back the clock to when opportunity was available to the working poor. What Trump addressed in 2016 were the issues suffering the working class. His message was correct and his message should have been the Democratic Message in 2016. He was correct in identifying the need for good paying jobs. The problem was he told boldfaced lies. He had no intention of creating good paying jobs because he wanted to keep USA wages low and competitive.

"Plus do we really want to embrace trumps slogan?" Absolutely, positively. And make a lot of noise about doing what Trump had no intention of doing. The only way to beat Trump is to praise the idea of good paying jobs and then follow up. Prosperity or poverty are choices of the legislature. Pass laws rewarding job producing investments and pass laws to penalize stagnating investments like derivatives. Prosperity is a function of spending. Spending is the expertise of the middle class. Give them higher paying jobs and they will spend more money. That translates into positive capitalism utilizing money to create prosperity.
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Response to Prosper (Reply #136)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 12:19 PM

154. The issue that got the votes for Hillary was economic.

 

Trump appealed to the culturally anxious voters.

Democrats have adcvocated for economic issues for decades.

Look at the historic plaforms...
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #154)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:02 PM

155. 2016

 

When Trump was calling for lots of good paying jobs Hillary was saying things are basically okay and just need some fine tuning. She said there were some disgruntled people looking at others doing well. But she started out 2015 defending Obama's record saying things were fine and just needed some fine tuning. She also said wages have been essentially stagnant for many years. Trouble is lots of those years were under Democratic presidents including her husband. The Democratic Party is historically the party of the working people. But underperformed is the problem . Those stagnant wages were and are still a problem. The nominee has to come out swinging for living wages .
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Response to Prosper (Reply #155)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 07:59 AM

160. Do you have statistics that Hillary didn't get the majority of votes on economic anxiety? (nt)

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #160)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:10 PM

162. Economic votes

 

Hillary was supposed to obliterate Trump. She didn't get all the votes we were counting on. Hard to figure out but I know in my case I never even thought about it, just voted Hillary . I would suppose the votes she didn't get were the working poor. The people Trump targeted with "Lots of good paying jobs. I'll bet he doesn't get Wisconsin and Michigan this time. The only thing to worry about is the votes he got from the tax cut.
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Response to Prosper (Reply #162)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:24 PM

163. So that's a "no" on having data that supports your claims?

 

Because there is actual data that debunks the "Trump won on economic anxiety" claims you promote:

But exit-poll data showed that economics wasn’t the primary motivation for his base. States in which the vote was the closest saw those most worried about the economy voting for Hillary Clinton. What motivated Trump voters, it turned out, was his emphasis on immigration and terrorism. If “economic anxiety” was pushing Trump supporters to the polls, it seemed to manifest primarily as distrust of foreigners.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/17/democrats-express-more-economic-distress-than-republicans-including-among-whites/?utm_term=.a4b36c632498

Economic Anxiety Didn’t Elect Trump and It May Hurt His Party in the Midterms

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/opinion/trump-coalition-2016-midterms.html

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #163)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:34 PM

164. Exit polling???

 

So 11 days before the exit polls you are talking about the polls had Hillary winning. Eleven days after the polls couldn't have been more wrong you are citing exit polls as a source of factual information. Sorry, doesn't work. Besides that the reason people voted for Hillary is irrelevant. And the people that voted for Trump that were influenced by immigration and terrorism were never going to vote for Hillary. Hillary made promises for economic development but Trump won with the slogan "Lots of good paying jobs"

He said jobs were coming back': the Trump voters who feel cheated
The Guardian
how many people voted for trump because of promise of good paying jobs from amp.theguardian.com
Nov 4, 2018 · Donald Trump won the votes of many in middle America in 2016 by ... According to a report by Good Jobs Nation, the ... People are picking up and leaving

Like the polls people that didn't want to say they would support Trump would also remain silent in exit polls.
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Response to Prosper (Reply #164)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:47 PM

165. So, you still have no data to back up your claim?

 

Got it.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #165)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 07:23 PM

166. Trump won because

 


Rust Belt voters made Trump president. Now they want jobs
By Heather Long March 3, 2017: 7:26 AM ET
The United States is making more things than ever before.

Yes, you read that right. Manufacturing output is at an all-time high, according to one government statistic (others indicate it's near a record).


Donald Trump promised Michigan good jobs. It's a key reason why he won Michigan by 10,704 votes, the first Republican to carry the state since President George H. W. Bush in


And if we want to win in 2020 the slogan needs to be
""Lots of good paying jobs"
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Response to Prosper (Reply #166)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 06:11 AM

167. That's not data that supports your claim about voters

 

voting for Trump because of economic anxiety, not cultural anxiety.

Data would be a study of voters.

Until you back up your claim, it's a personal opinion. That's fine, but you should just own that.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #167)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 07:42 AM

168. Of course I own that

 

And your data is no more valid. People were lying to pollsters just before the election. That certainly casts doubt on the exit polls. If people lied to pollsters over the phone then chances are they would lie in the open circumstances of the voting location. But far more important is what the platform to beat Trump should be. I am saying the prime motive is living wages. It is fact that middle class working wages have been stagnant for over 40 years. That and the cost of college and healthcare are the driving motives to be catered to in order to win. All the other issues are already locked in. Living wage addresses the problems of the working class.

Opinion | The 2016 Exit Polls Led Us to Misinterpret the 2016 Election
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Mar 29, 2018 · “The short answer is that the exit polls are wrong,” Matthew DeBell, a senior scholar at Stanford's Institute for ...

Ten Reasons Why You Should Ignore Exit Polls
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Nov 4, 2008 · Oh, let me count the ways. Almost all of this, by the way, is lifted from Mark Bluemthnal's outstanding Exit Poll ...
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Response to Prosper (Reply #168)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 08:36 AM

169. I provided data to back up my claim, you did not.

 

It's good to see that now you have acknowledged that your take was opinion and not a statement of fact, as it was first presented.

But here are some examples of more data that support the conclusion that Trump voters voted out of racial fears, and not for economic reasons.

Examining our data from the GenForward Survey, we find a hybrid explanation. First, white millennial Trump voters were likely to believe in something we call “white vulnerability” — the perception that whites, through no fault of their own, are losing ground to other groups. Second, racial resentment was the primary driver of white vulnerability — even when accounting for income, education level or employment.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/12/15/racial-resentment-is-why-41-percent-of-white-millennials-voted-for-trump-in-2016/


A study published on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences questions that explanation, the latest to suggest that Trump voters weren’t driven by anger over the past, but rather fear of what may come. White, Christian and male voters, the study suggests, turned to Mr. Trump because they felt their status was at risk.

“It’s much more of a symbolic threat that people feel,’’ said Diana C. Mutz, the author of the study and a political science and communications professor at the University of Pennsylvania, where she directs the Institute for the Study of Citizens and Politics. “It’s not a threat to their own economic well-being; it’s a threat to their group’s dominance in our country over all.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html


This new paper fits with a sizeable slate of studies conducted over the past 18 months or so, most of which have come to the same conclusions: There is tremendous evidence that Trump voters were motivated by racial resentment (as well as hostile sexism), and very little evidence that economic stress had anything to do with it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #169)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:24 AM

170. Trump voters.

 

Said:
"But here are some examples of more data that support the conclusion that Trump voters voted out of racial fears, and not for economic reasons."

That is a generalization of all Trump voters. It doesn't address sub groups. It doesn't address the protest votes from Bernie supporters. It doesn't address the rust belt. The rust belt gave Trump the presidency. He promised "Lots of good paying jobs".

I think the only votes up for grabs are the rust belt states because Trump failed on his promise of good paying jobs. Those people and the Bernie or busters are the only Trump voters that can be won back.

Are you intimating there are other issues besides good paying jobs that will win 2020.
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Response to Prosper (Reply #170)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:37 AM

171. As I said, I'm going on data from sources that I know have more expertise than I do.

 

I know enough to know what I don't know.

Is that clearer?
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #171)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:57 AM

172. Got it.

 

Yes.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:30 AM

90. I loved it.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:55 AM

92. this is the beginning and it was a fine way to start.

 

Biden will address ALL the issues and top is economic anxiety. A great term he used
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:57 AM

93. My first impression: Your first impression seems off to me.

 

That is all.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #93)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:04 AM

94. This. nt

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:10 AM

96. Fighting white supremacy head on should be ALL the candidates' message.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:23 AM

98. Great opening message!

 

We all know he has the policy and experience chops, and appeals to swing voters. He is setting his campaign theme right where it belongs: we have an existential threat to our democracy and basic ideals and he is putting that front and center.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:36 AM

107. Biden's message is "This Is The Greatest Country In The World IF We Stand For Our Ideals"

 

It’s a powerful message which can encompass everything else including fair wages, affordable healthcare, etc...

Of course, it also frames Trump perfectly as well.

Joe’s video started with our constitution. I loved it.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:47 AM

110. Thankfully, you'll be posting negatives editorials on him...

 

Thankfully, you'll be posting negatives editorials on him (as you've already begun doing) in between your name-dropping anecdotes about lunches.

Other than that, you've posted zero evidence supporting your quickly-reached conclusion...in grade school, that's called guess-work. You'll certainly allege it as something else.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #110)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:08 AM

114. I see: we now have to provide evidence when we state opinions...good to know!

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:51 AM

111. The most important issue today is the battle for the soul of America. Joe is damn straight.

 

"It's the Country, stupid"
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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #111)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:13 AM

118. I agree 100%. The soul of America and "it's the country, stupid."

 

That's a pretty good slogan... Yours? If so,
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #118)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:53 PM

137. I stole it from DUer Mme. Defarge...

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128788654
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:27 AM

120. Absolutely disagree

 

We are--in this moment--engaged in battle for the heart and soul of this country. We're witnessing the damage done every day. I believe the vast majority of Americans are patriots, horrified with the daily assault on basic decency and American values. No progress on wages or inequality or job security is possible if we lose the country to the very goons who marched in Charlottesville.

Joe Biden will be talking to union members in Pittsburgh on Monday. I suspect that rally will be delivered in the same vein as the speech before the Electrical Workers Union several weeks ago, speaking directly to concerns of the working class but also to all America: we are better than this, bigger-hearted than this. We are America where possibility is unlimited. Yes, we have flaws and fault-lines but that's not what defines us as a people. We're a country who has done big things. We need to get back to that, remember who and what we are, not by shrinking into the corner but by stepping out, throwing our arms wide open to the future and the world.

Joe Biden can change the narrative bringing us back from the brink. And he can win in 2020.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:32 AM

121. Trump's racism is unacceptable. Trump wasn't president for all of Joe's life. This is a crisis.

 

Joe's message was pitch perfect.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:38 AM

122. Lol.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:46 AM

124. Strong civil rights supporter

 

Do not know how any one could read his opening salvo as being anything else than support for all forms of civil rights. NAACP accorded his Voting record 100 percent supportivein 2006. In 2012, as VP, Biden addressed NAACP convention and was booed because he stopped the speech. His focus was on voting rights. Said Roslyn Brock the group’s chairwoman at the time, “He has been a lifelong friend to the NAACP. He has been a strong advocate for justice and equality over his decades of service in the Senate and the White House.” 50 percent of the audience gave him a standing ovation.
Throughout his long career, Biden has been open to change, for example, voting to give Bush authority to go into Iraq, but becoming an outspoken critic of that occupation.




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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:23 PM

129. He's no Hickenlooper

 

That's fer sure.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:24 PM

130. Washington Post-Analysis: For Joe Biden, Charlottesville defines the Trump presidency

 


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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:25 PM

131. You don't have to be an activist to see what a historically divisive event Charlottesville was.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:33 PM

143. Nah, you couldn't be more off.

 

lolololol.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:43 PM

146. Really?

 

NAACP doesn’t agree with you. Obviously Carol Mosley Braun doesn’t agree with you. Seen Biden’s address to 2012 NAACP convention and its reception? Listened to what Obama said about him as his VP? Know about the VAWA?Any of his positions or messaging In the last thirty years? Did you read any of his books?
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:08 AM

158. WAIT for it. Give the man a chance. Too many issues in one message is not helpful.

 

Let him take one at a time and thoroughly discuss his positions. Our main objective should be to get rid of Trump. We can get behind and promote an agenda once we have the power to enact and enforce it. Did we not learn anything from 2016?

All the noble and progressive and economically sound positions mean NOTHING unless we are in positions of power to enact and enforce them. First things first: Get Trump and as many GOP out of office as we can. The should be and MUST be our main objective now. Listen to Elizabeth Warren. Listen to the women, especially the African American women.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:51 AM

159. Trump needs to be challenged at every step

 

Bravo Joe
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Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:32 PM

161. Joe is on the right track and woke-domestic terrorism is out of control. New leadership is needed...

 

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