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Beware of those who think they know god's intentions!

I watched a documentary on the nuking of Japan.

It started by pointing out the fire-bombing of civilian areas that we were already doing on a massive scale.

One interviewee (a pilot) said that dropping fire on civilians bothered his conscience.

So he went to his priest and asked whether doing something like that was really okay.

The priest told him, "God let you do it so he must have approved."

We'd all do better to figure out what's fair and decent than to try to figure out what "god wants".

Before we even decide who will judge the cases, we need to decide what the laws are

Example: Lying.

Lying can get millions of people killed, displaced, maimed or otherwise ruined for life (e.g. when lies start a war).

Now, of course, some investigation needs to be done to determine whether lies are being told, but that should be doable since the whole notion of lying is that someone is making a demonstrably false claim.

However...first we have to decide if it's okay to lie and start wars or cheat in elections or send innocent people to jail, etc, etc, etc.

To say "they have their view and I have mine; both might be valid" you either have to believe that lying -- in ways that do real harm -- is acceptable, or else you have to believe they're telling the truth.

If it's the former -- if you're saying that their view is that lying is okay and that's just as valid as the opposite view -- then why even discuss? It's all just a horse race; there's no right and wrong.

If, on the other hand, we're really just discussing whether the other side is lying, then at least we might agree that they shouldn't.

But to the extent that THEY think they should, there's a difference that is not susceptible to polling. A difference that should be carved in stone. A basis for declaring unequivocally that those guys are in the wrong, period.

Now Jacob cooked a stew (lessons in privatization)

Genesis 25:29-34

Now Jacob cooked a stew; and Esau came in from the field, and he was weary.

And Esau said to Jacob, “Please feed me with that same red stew, for I am weary.” Therefore his name was called Edom.

But Jacob said, “Sell me your birthright as of this day.”

And Esau said, “Look, I am about to die; so what is this birthright to me?”

Then Jacob said, “Swear to me as of this day.”
So he swore to him, and sold his birthright to Jacob.

And Jacob gave Esau bread and stew of lentils; then he ate and drank, arose, and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.


Did Esau make a good decision?

Did he get a good deal?

Substitute some politician who wants to sell our parks, our roads, our mountain tops, our water, our energy plants, etc for a one-time bit of cash leaving us without these things forevermore...

...and you've got the exact same story.

You'd think a nation raised on Bible stories would see this one coming wouldn't you?
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