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August 23, 2015

Gossip has it that Sanders supporters of all ages and colors particularly like



"Think this through with me,
let me know your mind,
Wo, oh, what I want to know,
Is are you kind?

Come hear Uncle Bernie's Band by the riverside,
Got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide."

Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait,
Wo, oh, what I want to know, where does the time go?

I live in a silver mine and I call it Beggar's Tomb;
I got me a violin and I beg you call the tune,
anybody's choice, I can hear your voice.
Wo, oh, what I want to know, how does the song go?

Come hear Uncle Bernie's Band by the riverside,
Got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide."





August 23, 2015

*snort* Check it out, the author of the OP, Sarah Jones, can't even get critical facts straight.

We all make mistakes. But she's a journalist, and the co-publisher of polticusUSA, shamelessly pulling another filthy bullshit race card out of her sleeve in order to smear Bernie Sanders supporters...

Not good enough, Sarah...

Here she plainly states, (third paragraph at the link in the OP), that a Social Security Works event in Seattle was a Bernie Sanders event, and implies that people in the crowd purportedly expressing racial slurs were Bernie Sanders supporters:

An example of this behavior took place that the Bernie Sanders event in Seattle that was disrupted by Black Lives Matter activists. There were reports or racial slurs being directed at the activists by members of the audience.


Not true. It was not even a Bernie Sanders event. Once again, the facts prove that a desperate Clinton supporter attempting to smear Bernie and/or Bernie supporters is lying gravely uninformed and mistaken.


SEATTLE (July 31, 2015) — Organizers of an anniversary celebration rally for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid planned for Saturday, Aug. 8 in downtown Seattle announced today that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has accepted an invitation to attend and speak at the event.

“We are very excited to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Medicare and Medicaid and the 80th anniversary of Social Security,” said Robby Stern of Social Security Works – Washington, which is organizing the Aug. 8 event, and President of the Puget Sound Advocates for Retirement Action. “We are particularly honored to welcome Senator Bernie Sanders, one of the national advocacy leaders for strengthening and expanding these three critical programs.”

It will be Sanders’ first visit to Washington state since announcing his candidacy for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

SocSec-anniversary-15Aug08The Social Security & Medicare Celebration will be from 1 to 3 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 8 at Westlake Plaza, 400 Pine St. in downtown Seattle.

http://www.thestand.org/2015/07/sanders-to-attend-social-security-medicare-event-aug-8-in-seattle/


Shameless. So who you gonna believe, the author of yet another desperate hit piece from a Clinton supporter, or what you see with your own eyes?


While Bernie, and Bernie supporters, have been in the streets struggling and protesting for civil rights, and against Wall Street, Wall St. wars, and the WTO, from the early 60's through Occupy Wall St., struggling for economic and social justice, center right yuppies (many/most of whom are now Clinton supporters) and RW republicans have been getting rich working for Wall St. and companies who start wars for profit, and sipping wine or lattes while sitting on their expensive leather sofas, watching TV and cheering on the cops while they watched us (us meaning those who are now Bernie supporters) get beaten with batons, get pepper sprayed, and thrown in jail. Trust me on this, no Bernie supporters were cheering the cops on while we were getting attacked by them.

It's not Bernie supporters who were tearing down and hating on Occupy Wall St. day after day on DU, the rest of the internet, and in IRL, it was right leaning centrists (many/most of whom are now supporting Clinton) and their free market global capitalism Wall St. loving republican political kin.


And I have the search function to prove it, over and over and over.

Once again. a Clinton supporter proves that their candidate has so few positives that they have to make shit up about others, in order to have anything at all to campaign for her candidate with.

Facts:



Hillary Clinton (D)
Contributors
Donor Demographics
Top Contributors, federal election data
Election cycles covered: 2016

Select data type:

Morgan & Morgan $274,767
Sullivan & Cromwell $148,100
Akin, Gump et al $125,598
Yale University $95,434
Latham & Watkins $94,580
Morgan Stanley $90,799
Creative Artists Agency $88,501
Time Warner $87,835
University of California $80,754
JPMorgan Chase & Co $75,537
Munger, Tolles & Olson $72,850
DLA Piper $72,500
Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett $69,550
Centene Corp $67,150
Skadden, Arps et al $62,650
Harvard University $61,080
Paul, Weiss et al $60,500
Wilmerhale Llp $59,250
Google Inc $58,021
Blackstone Group $57,700

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2016 cycle. The money came from the organizations' PACs; their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families. At the federal level, the organizations themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000019&cycle=2016&type=f


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Have a truly wonderful, beautiful day!
August 21, 2015

A Clinton presidency, like a republican presidency, means business as usual.

Wealthy private interests will continue to exploit human beings all over the world, and there will be little or no regulation of corporations as they continue to destroy our environment with impunity. Privatization will accelerate. Hillary will implement Third Way plans to cut social security and other social programs.

The polarization of wealth will continue to accelerate exponentially. Unions will continue to decline as more international trade agreements that enslave working people are put into effect. Drilling, mining, fracking, etc will continue unabated and unregulated, as poisons are released into our air, and get dumped into our water supply. The abuse of minorities will continue unobstructed. Private prisons will continue to expand. Defense spending will increase, as money for social programs and education decreases. Health insurance companies and health care providers will continue to jack up the prices of their services, rendering Obamacare basically useless to everyone but those on Medicaid.

And on, and on, and on. Oligarchy will expand and become more powerful. Business as usual.

Status quo.

With the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, we finally have the opportunity to elect a president who is not owned by wealthy private interests, who will make a genuine attempt to tackle the systemic problems in the political, economic, and social compartments of our society which desperately need to be addressed.

No President can solve all our myriad problems. Most of that depends on us. A Sanders presidency will give us some of the support we need to begin to solve the problems.

A Hillary Clinton presidency, like a republican presidency, will be nothing but business as usual, and the world will continue to go to hell in a hand basket as life becomes more and more hopeless for billions and billions of people of the earth, and future generations as well.

August 20, 2015

Thanks. You make some good points. Unfortunately, the alternatives to

"tricked", or "wrong", in the scenario you have described, in terms of the (ostensible at least) cultural mores of US society, are descriptors like "morally corrupt", or "deliberately evil".

Some would argue that there are gray areas. But there are no gray areas in taking deliberate, informed action to commit unjustified acts of mass destruction and genocide. You either do the right thing, or the wrong thing. There is no in between, no wiggle room, no 'splainin it away.

What kind of human being would deliberately help initiate mass destruction and genocide? George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are two examples of this type of human being.


What kind of human being do we, as responsible and informed citizens, want to elect to be POTUS and Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces? Who do we want to trust the lives of our children, grandchildren, family, friends, neighbors, and communities with?

I will posit here that it is not someone who takes deliberate action to engage in unjustifiable acts of mass destruction and genocide. And even if we run with scenarios like "tricked", or "wrong", there is still the stark reality of poor judgment leading to mass destruction and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and the tragic, senseless waste of the lives of US soldiers, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Whatever the case may be, I'm not taking any chances. I'm going with the clearly ethical choice here, the candidate who clearly demonstrated moral integrity and sound judgment, who advocated against, and acted against, deliberately committing unjustified acts of mass destruction and genocide.

The good guy. The smart one.

August 19, 2015

Taking dirty money, by any other 'splain, is still taking dirty money.

Bundling is a great way to let corrupt politicians take money from malicious sources so that they can claim "We Didn't Know!"

No human being with any shred of integrity would ever knowingly accept bundled money from lobbyists who take money from such unspeakably wicked incarcerate for profit operations.

The only people you are going to fool with your Third Way propaganda 'splain are fools.

QUESTION (to Hillary Clinton, asked by BLM Activist): But your—you and your family have been personally and politically responsible for policies that have caused Health and Human Services disasters in impoverished communities of color (inaudible) the domestic and international War on Drugs that you championed as First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State. And so I just want to know how you feel about your role in that violence and how you plan to reverse it?
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We’re in a meeting about drugs. America’s first drug is free black labor, and turning black bodies into profit and the mass incarceration system mirrors an awful lot like the prison plantation system. It’s a similar thread, and until someone takes that message and speaks that truth to White people in this country so that we can actually take on anti-Blackness as a founding problem in this country, I don’t believe that there is going to be a solution.

Because what the conversations that are happening now and why there is so much cohesion across the divide, the red side and the blue side, it’s because of money, right, we are spending a lot of money on prisons. We’re spending more money on prisons than we are on schools, but if we look at it from lens of let’s solve this financial problem, and we don’t look at the greater bottom line that African-Americans who are Americans are suffering at greater rates than most other people, every other people, for the length of this country then it’s not going to go away. It’s just going to morph into something new and evolved. You know, I genuinely want to know, you, Hillary Clinton, have been in no uncertain way, partially responsible for this. More than most. There may have been unintended consequences.

But now that you understand the consequences, what in your heart has changed that’s going to change the direction of this country? Like what in you—not your platform, not the things you’re supposed to say—like, how do you actually feel that’s different than you did before? Like what were the mistakes, and how can those mistakes that you made be lessons for all of America for a moment of reflection on how we treat black people in this country?


Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton

Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.

Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.


Hillary / DNC: Cut ties with private prisons!

The Clinton campaign recently engaged two sets of such bundlers from the private prison industry's lobbyists.

Private prison companies make billions from our broken and discriminatory criminal justice system by disproportionately locking up Black and brown people in the country's most dangerous prisons, for profit. Furthermore, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is required to keep at least 34,000 immigrants locked up to meet a draconian federal quota at a cost to taxpayers of $2 billion per year, much of this going to enrich private prison companies. And nearly 20% of immigrant detainees are locked up for traffic offenses. Imagine the devastation we'll suffer if the industry's lobbying power determines and influences the next president.

Join us in urging Secretary Clinton to disavow the private prison industry and demand that the Democratic Party oppose private prisons in their 2016 platform.

August 15, 2015

Some suggestions ~

NARF may be able to provide the most informed answers to your question "How Can We Help?"

NARF

http://www.narf.org/about-us/

Navajo Nation Mourning, Pleading for Help After Toxic Mine Spill Contaminates Rivers

Though EPA administrator Gina McCarthy said at a news conference today that the agency's slow response was out of caution, Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye said the slow response is frustrating the Navajo people, who are "weeping every day" and in "dire need of clean water," not only for drinking, but also to sustain their organic farms and ranches.

"Our soul is hurting," Begaye told ABC News today. "I meet people daily that weep when they see me, asking me, 'How do I know the water will be safe?' The Animas River and the San Juan rivers are our lifelines. Water is sacred to us. The spirit of our people is being impacted."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/navajo-nation-mourning-pleading-toxic-mine-spill-contaminates/story?id=33011914


Gaining awareness of the historical and present differences in values, consciousness, and worldview between Euro-christian and other cultures long removed from tribal roots and personal physical and spiritual interaction with the natural world, and manifesting constructive action based on this awareness will help not only NA's, but all the peoples of the world and the planet herself. The understanding that the earth is sacred to Native Americans is primary, and witnessing the ongoing attempted sociopathic destruction of the earth by gold obsessed materialistic cultures is literally heartbreaking and soul crushing.

"Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money." ~ Alanis Obamasawin

A Basic Call to Consciousness
The Hau de no sau nee Address to the Western World
Geneva, Switzerland, Autumn 1977
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The papers which follow are position papers which were presented by the Hau de no sau nee to the Non-governmental Organizations of the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland in September, 1977. The Non-governmental Organizations had called for papers which describe the conditions of oppression suffered by Native people under three subject headings, with supportive oral statements to be given to the commissions. The Hau de no sau nee, the traditional Six nations council at Onondaga, sent forth three papers which constitute an abbreviated analysis of Western history, and which call for a consciousness of the Sacred Web of Life in the Universe.

It is a call which can be expected to be both ignored and misunderstood for some period of time. But the position papers themselves are absolutely unique -- they constitute a political statement, presented to a representative world body, pointing to the destruction of the Natural World and the Natural World peoples as the clearest indicator that human beings are in trouble on this planet. It is a call to a basic consciousness which has ancient roots and ultra-modern, even futuristic, manifestations.

It is a statement which points to the fact that humans are abusing one another, that they are abusing the planet they live on, that they are even abusing themselves. It is a message, certainly the first ever delivered to a world body, which identifies the process of that abuse as Western Civilization -- as a whole way of life -- and which acknowledges the immense complexity which that statement implies.

What is presented here is nothing less audacious than a cosmogony of the Industrialized World presented by the most politically powerful and independent non-Western political body surviving in North America. It is, in a way, the modern world through Pleistocene eyes.

http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/6nations1.html
August 12, 2015

May 28th: So what's up with the (I'm guessing Clinton operatives) out here calling Bernie Sanders

racist?

StopTheTPP (64 posts)

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Sissyk (a host of the General Discussion forum).

There's a million threads on it and Google search came up empty.

Where did this come from?


And I'll just say this. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary. Obviously Hillary Clinton will want our support in the general if she defeats Bernie Sanders in the primary. This is not the way to go about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026742224






August 12, 2015

The BS narratives were being heavily marketed/promoted by Clinton supporters

here for almost two months before the NN event.

Clinton supporters, close to 100% exclusively Clinton supporters, began pushing it here at DU on May 27th.

On the same day, May 27th, RW hacks began promoting the meme also.

There are a whole lot of BS OP's and swarm threads full of toxic filth on this subject that can be easily researched using the DU search function.

Vile.

August 11, 2015

Some things just can't be justified, no matter how much 'splainin gets done.

And there's a whole lot of 'splainin, and no justifying, getting done here.

Sorry. Actions have consequences. The Seattle incident does not reflect well on BLM at all. I hope someone with some semblance of wisdom from BLM has "the talk" with this young, inexperienced woman, before she successfully frightens every blue haired granny from Petaluma to Peoria down to Pensacola into voting for Donald Trump, and fucking up the lives of every non-white, and/or female, and/or LGBT, and/or every decent person in America who sincerely wants justice and equality for everyone.

Angry, aggressive extremists shouting blanket ethnic and/or racial slurs in front of a microphone. Not cool, especially in the minds of people who know history.

Bernie Sanders is a very gracious, thoughtful, and understanding human being, who clearly knows how to take a bad situation, turn it around, and bring it to positive resolution for everyone.

It would be good for everyone if we could put this behind us, work for positive resolution, and hope a similar situation does not manifest in the future.

I sincerely hope that Black Lives Matter achieves whatever righteous goals it pursues.





August 9, 2015

It is difficult to help someone when they consistently act against their own interests, repeating

the same unproductive behavior over and over, and expecting a different result.

We progressive Bernie supporters, of all races, genders, and sexual orientations, believe that one thing we can do to help prevent African Americans from being abused and murdered by psycho cops, and improve their social and economic conditions, is to get Bernie elected to the Presidency.

We can unite and do our best to nominate and elect a sincere, concerned President who actually gets that black lives matter, and who actually cares about the systemic racism and economic and social injustice that have been inflicted upon African Americans and other, and who will actually make every effort to do something about it.

Non African Americans cannot presume to lead African American movements for justice and equality. Even if we are of another minority, we haven't lived the black experience. African Americans can lead, and the rest of us can follow, as long as they explicitly tell us what they would like us to do. If African Americans do not explicitly tell us what they would like us to do to help, and we have no intrinsic knowledge basis for leadership in AA movements, we are all left here wanting to help. but not knowing how to help.

You mentioned that these two young leaders of BLM in Seattle were "passionate, inexperienced young firebrands". Passionate, inexperienced young firebrands do not make good leaders. The have tendency to walk off of cliffs, not watching where they are going while looking up at the sky, taking those who follow them off the cliff with them.

As an activist, I recognize and respect the effectiveness of disrupting political rallies to get a point across. However, when doing so, it is important to make it perfectly clear that you do not have nefarious partisan political ulterior motives when making your case. BLM leaders at NN made a serious mistake by disrupting an event that did not include Hillary Clinton. They irreparably damaged the credibility of their movement by making it appear that their action could have been one of political partisanship rather than purely to make the case that we all need to be aware of the desperate conditions that exist, and take action to solve them.

Like it or not, assuming the motives of BLM's leadership are singular and sincere, the leadership of BLM has very seriously fucked up by tainting the general public's view of their credibility, and have left themselves wide open to accusations of maliciously using a very important and righteous cause to attempt to damage Bernie Sander's reputation and campaign, and shill for Hillary Clinton, in an effort to help Clinton win the nomination.

The leadership of BLM has made a very serious error, and continues to err by only disrupting the events of one candidate, while at the same time basically ignoring past racist words and actions of Hillary Clinton while aimlessly flailing away at a candidate who clearly has, at the very least, sincerely attempted to support justice and equality for African Americans for several decades.

And no matter what they do from here on out, BLM will never be able get this toothpaste back in the tube. They have made the motivation for their activism legitimately suspect, and continue to do so.

Wise leadership would do damage control starting right now, and help restore BLM credibility, and could help this movement become a focused, effective, constructive force for significant positive change. But there does not appear to be another MLK on the horizon right now, and I doubt BLM would pay attention to direction from a long experienced activist leader like Rev. Jesse Jackson, Jr.

So we're all waiting, and listening, and waiting, for BLM to tell us what they'd like the rest of the world to do to help them, as many have been wondering what the plan is.

Telling us we need to vote for Hillary Clinton would be the exact wrong answer. That is the same path that has led directly off the cliff for everyone but the very wealthy, for decades. The same path that has put many African Americans in the desperate straits they are in at this time.

Voting for Hillary Clinton would continue the process of repeating the same unproductive behavior over and over, while expecting a different result.

Real progressives, of all colors, gender, and sexual orientation, didn't fall off he turnip truck yesterday. Wealthy private interests have all the money, power, and talent in the world to promote agendas and actions that serve their interests, and they do it with malicious, anti-democratic intent, every single day, early, and often, without conscience.

BLM indisputably has a righteous and legitimate cause. If they wish to restore their credibility, they would be wise to make it clear that their only purpose is to advocate and gain justice and equality for African Americans. Because it is definitely not clear to large numbers of people that this is their only agenda.

Where's the #BlackLivesMatter Critique of the Black Misleadership Class, or Obama or Hillary?
08/06/2015
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Some better questions are whether #BlackLivesMatter is really anything like a peoples movement aimed at changing society and lives for the better, or is it the private vehicle of its co-creators who get to take it where they decide to go? To whom are #BlackLivesMatter's leaders accountable, and just where are they taking their “movement”? Barack Obama's 2008 campaign marketed itself as “the movement” too.

Why doesn't the #BlackLivesMatter movement, supposedly focused upon the unique needs of people of color, have any critique of the black political class, almost all Democrats, who have been key stakeholders in the building of the prison state, in gentrification and school privatization from New Orleans to Detroit and beyond, and who helped peddle the subprime mortgages to black families which exploded and cut black family wealth by nine-tenths? Have they even noticed that a black president has closed and privatized more public schools than any other in US history? For all the big words they use, do they ever mention the word “capitalism”?

There are ominous signs. Last month folks whom Alicia Garza described as “part of our team” disrupted two minor white male candidates at NetRootsNation, the annual networking event for paid and wannabe paid Democratic party activists, embarrassing them with demands over structural racism and “say her name”. If they were positioning themselves for careers inside the far-flung Democratic party apparatus, it was a smart move, because Hillary wasn't there. Hence they got noticed in that crowd of Democrat operatives without antagonizing the people with the real money and connections.
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It's appropriate to wonder what a “movement” really is these days. Maybe movements nowadays are really brands, to be evoked and stoked by marketers and creators when needed. But it's hard to imagine a brand transferring the power from the wealthy to the poor. It's hard to imagine a brand being accountable to its membership, even if you could be a member of a brand. And it's impossible for a brand to prefigure, to get us ready to imagine and become the kind of people we'll need to be to build the new world after capitalism.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/wheres-the-blacklivesmatter-critique-of-black-political-class


So don't tell me to just STFU and get in line.

Show me authentic, show me real, and then tell me the plan. I need this, because I have been subjected to smoke, lies, deception, and abuse by the wealthy private interests that own hostile forces which are hostile to democracy and justice within the Democratic party for several decades. These hostile forces use vague shit to tell lies and use these lies to deceive gullible people into acting against their own interests.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251495072



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