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People also like to dodge the question by going, "oh, I'm an agnostic". Yeah, I'm agnostic on a LOT of things for which there's no objective evidence; leprechauns, unicorns, the tooth fairy. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out, in a sense. Evidence could come along at some point to tell me that, yes, there is an invisible 500 foot tall orangutan living on my roof.
Even the question, "Do you believe in God", frames a duality pertaining to a singular, objective, mutually agreed upon and at least generally defined entity where none such general consensus exists. Or to put it another way, which "God"? How about you define the friggin' thing before you expect people to say whether they "believe" in it or not?
Is it "very stupid" to say you don't believe in the Greek Gods? The Roman Gods? Quetzlcoatl? Pan? Eris? Ra? Osiris?
I'd like to see the actual Sagan quote, along with context, please.
Let me give you a brief recap of some of the events that have come to light in the past month or so, all oddly focused around that group and the 'drama' that has played itself out there.
(Please note that the only "members" I am naming names of have all been BANNED from this site or DU2, so I am not bad-mouthing any legitimate active members of this forum)
"Survivoreesta" was banned as a repeat disruptor both on DU2 and DU3. According to Skinner, this was actually a MALE troll, pretending to be a "woman" with serious mental issues.
"Sera_Bellum" and "Feldspar" were BOTH banned after making bigoted transphobic statements, diligent research on the part of attention-paying members revealed that this entity or entities (either one woman, two partnered women conveniently sharing an IP address, or maybe again, a male troll pretending to be both) had previously shown up under the names "Sargasso_Sea", "Evolve_Already", "Ittakesavillage_people", "TAPat" and who knows how many more.
Now, this is my favorite one: After several weeks of vociferously complaining that people were accusing her of not being what "she" was pretending to be, it turns out that "Remember Me" was our old friend "Eloriel" ("remember her"- get it?) who was also "Morgana LaFey" and who knows how many other incarnations.
Beyond the mind-boggling confusion of what may be a male troll with several identities pretending to be a feminist woman who makes bigoted transphobic comments, of all things ( ) I think maybe the element you're missing to all this is that for whatever reason there have been some serious weirdos with multiple identity issues who have fixated on that particular group. Maybe what admin wants, or at least the current host wants, is some co-hosts who actually are what they claim to be, so some of the attendant bullshit around that forum can be allowed to wither away.
they know it's a loser, but they also can't go "We don't want to overturn Griswold, we acknowledge that people have a right to use contraception" (in other words, they have a "license to do things in the sexual realm that make God mad" or whatever it was Sticky Ricky said) ... they can't do that because THE INSANE BELIEF that ONE OF THESE DAYS they'll be able to throw all the 'sluts' who use the pill in prison (while telling the rest to put an aspirin between their knees) has been the secret fantasy that has kept all these repressed fetus fetishists priapic for all these years, probably ever since 1974 when everyone else was getting laid and they were sitting at home with Pat Boone on the 8 track.
In case anyone doubts that this has been what it's been about from the get-go, remember that the HLA has been a central part of the GOP Plank for decades. Here's what the big 'pro life' orgs have to say on the HLA, contraception, etc:
Spin, Spin, Spin. However grudgingly they may acknowledge that "The American People are still apparently favorable to contraception" (cue the heavy siiiiigh ) it's pretty clear that the plan is to go after the bad pills once the abortion drs are out of the way:
It is clear that the intrauterine device and many birth control pills are abortifacients rather than contraceptives. The HLA would permit a state legislature to control such abortifacients...
Where a device or pill has no other use than to terminate life, the legislature, pursuant to the HLA, could prohibit its manufacture and sale.
(cough. handguns. cough.)
This is a matter of great importance, because the abortion of the near future is going to be by pill or other do-it-yourself means. If we concentrate only on surgical abortions at later stages of pregnancy, we risk sanctioning a wholesale slaughter of persons in the earliest stages of life. There is a tendency in some parts of the pro-life movement to seek a "quick fix" by conceding the legitimacy of early abortions. This would be a fatal mistake. The fact is that the lUD and most birth control pills do kill people. Their victims are very little people but it surely is within the power of any civilized society to do whatever can be done to prevent those killings.
anyway, if these Jesusbagger a-holes are so sure they're right, they should be ECSTATIC that their godly keep-your-legs-crossed-young-lady agenda is getting so much airtime. I mean, I thought the "values voter" was all-powerful, and all that noise about a pro-choice majority was just librul socialist godless agit-prop.
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Here's an idea, we could get all the Chinese Tiger Moms to battle with the French Politeness Moms in a monster truck arena.
For round two, we could have all the book publishers trying to get rich selling books to neurotic American Parents about how Chinese Tiger Moms are better, battle it out with all the book publishers trying to get rich selling books to neurotic American Parents about how French Politeness Moms are better, in a monster truck arena.
"Sunday Sunday SUNDAY, We're Turning the Rosemont Horizon into a Giant MUDDDD PITTTT!"
without stupid generalizations about people of a certain nationality.
An oldie, but a goodie.
And yes, it's satire.
It was probably 2006 or so, after having extensive run-ins with one of these "entities" (who, for all I know, may be the same being stirring up trouble right now. It's totally possible) when another long-time DU member pointed some stuff out to me; once I noticed, and started seeing the connections.
Man. Like a bad acid trip.
It's certainly simpler to just take everything at face value, but that allows the manipulators and game players to do... well, honestly, I don't know what they're trying to do. But I decided a while back that I was going to at least argue for as much transparency as possible.
Obviously people put forth different aspects of themselves online. I'm self-aware enough to know that the contours of my personality shift, to a degree, in relation to context or whichever discussion is at hand. I'm sure when I'm debating an anti-choice creationist or supporter of mandatory school prayer here, I'm much more of a fire-breathing Atheist than the Zen or Tao minded individual I am at other times.
But I'm aware of it, I do at least *aim* for genuineness in my interactions, and most importantly, there's only one of me here. I think that's something, at least.
And yeah, I saw that movie, too. I actually thought of DU when I was watching it. Weird and creepy and thought-provoking and all the rest.
The only thing that's odd IMHO is that it took 'em so long to come around to Sticky Ricky's station.
I mean, he's got all the things they want- he's completely batshittery winguttitized on the socio-religio-veggietales-culture war Jesusbagger issues, he's still on his first wife, he's the right race, gender, and religion, and did I mention that he's completely batshittery winguttitized on the socio-religio-veggietales-culture war Jesusbagger issues?
Plus, he's an idiot. He's their fucking dream date, which speaks awfully ill of him that even the pinheaded cranio-rectal inverts of the GOP base were desperately hunting for something- anything- else to take home from the right wing nut bar, before settling for the Santorum.
It's like he's too lame even for them. Which is pretty lame.
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