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friendly_iconoclast's JournalWest Virginia Democrats resist attempts at gun control
http://spiritofjefferson.com/blog/2013/03/manchin-zero-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/March 6, 2013
CHARLES TOWN Sen. Joe Manchin said in an interview Tuesday that groups running ads indicating that he supports sweeping gun control measures are not being truthful.
Let me make it very clear: the only thing Im working on is a criminal and mental background check, Manchin said. Anything else people have heard is basically a lie. They are just trying to get people excited and scared.
Political pundits have wondered in recent weeks where centrist Democrats from Blue Dog states, like Manchin, will stand on an assault weapons ban and a bill limiting magazine capacity that are expected to be introduced during this congressional session.
Manchin said he is opposed to such measures himself and thinks they would not make it through the Senate.
http://spiritofjefferson.com/blog/2013/03/house-panel-advances-local-gun-ordinance-repeal/
March 7, 2013 | Filed under: latest headlines | Posted by: sojstaff
CHARLESTON (AP) West Virginia would void local and county-wide gun laws under a measure endorsed Tuesday by the House Judiciary Committee, advancing it toward a vote by the full House of Delegates.
A non-unanimous voice vote approved the bill, which would make clear that only the Legislature can regulate firearms or ammunition.
The measure would strike down any ordinances inconsistent with state law, including several adopted in the 1990s by Charleston, the states largest city and its capital. Those limit handgun purchases to one per month, and require the buyer to wait 72 hours before receiving the weapon...
...A Republican, Jones also cited how sponsors of Tuesdays bill include such Democrats as House Majority Leader Brent Boggs and Judiciary Chairman Tim Miley. In a state with high rates of gun ownership, Jones questioned whether that party was seeking to outmaneuver GOP lawmakers on the issue.
Hmm. I wonder who will be heard from first- the regional bigots or the "better pure than in power crowd"?
Bill suggests anger management classes for those purchasing ammo
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/bill-suggests-anger-management-classes-those-purch/nWkbQ/The bill was filed less than a week ago and it would require anyone buying ammunition to take a two-hour anger management course.
Sen. Audrey Gibson of Jacksonville wrote the bill.
"You have to use your driver's license to purchase cold medications these days, but there is no mechanism for using a driver's license or no database on how much ammunition is out there."
Another video here:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2208032304001
The phrase "transvaginal ultrasound" come to anybody elses mind?
Different bugbear, same mindset...
"I prefer a docile society." Let your crypto-fascist flag fly, Shares!
After all, it's not as if you lot even bother trying to hide it lately:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=113191
Gun Prohibitionists play a passable game of checkers, while their opponents play high-level Go...
Can you imagine a current-day Republican expressing sentiments like these?
Found this on the Conelrad blog (an excellent compendium of Cold War information).
Some background: After leaving office, Dwight Eisenhower moved to Indian Wells, California and joined
the Eldorado Country Club. He got a letter from a future neighbor, and after reading said letter Eisenhower wrote a friend for advice.
I found what he said in that letter to be completely antithetical to what the GOP has stood for recently:
http://conelrad.blogspot.com/2013/02/caddyshack-eisenhowers-fallout-shelter_19.html
CADDYSHACK: EISENHOWERS FALLOUT SHELTER DILEMMA
It was in late September of 1961 that President Eisenhower received the aforementioned letter from his future neighbor, Mary Florsheim Jones, proposing her idea of a community shelter for the new residents of Eldorado. Mrs. Jones was the wife of celebrity Allan Jones (father of Love Boat crooner, Jack Jones) and an heiress to the Chicago footwear fortune. Mr. Jones, a singer and actor, had performed as part of Eisenhowers inaugural festivities which might be why the former president was giving the letter his attention.[4]
I am taking the liberty of writing to you to ask you to help my husband and I to start a group of fellow Americans joining together to build a Bomb Shelter at Eldorado Country Club. I know you are building there this summer and so are we. Our home is on the second green and we had originally thought we would build a shelter for ourselves. This seems selfish and I thought perhaps we could ban [sic] together and ask for a piece of land and make this a community project that might also set a good example.
A letter from you endorsing this idea if you think it a good plan is all we would need to start the idea into a reality.
My husband asked me to remember him to you; he sang at both your inaugurations.
Thank you for your consideration of our idea.
Very Sincerely yours,
Mrs. Allan Jones.
September 19, 1961
President Eisenhowers letter to Gosden is fascinating because it reveals his own conflicted attitudes about survival as well as his concern for the service workers at the country club many of whom may have been black Democrats. The note begins with some friendly pleasantries before moving on to the former presidents community shelter quandary:
Eisenhower to Freeman Gosden RE: Country Club Fallout Shelter by Bill Geerhart
Westford (Massachusetts) Selectmen Withdraw Proposal To Ban Assault Weapons
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/02/20/westford-selectman-proposes-ban-on-assault-weapons/WESTFORD (CBS) A thunderous round of applause and a standing ovation greeted the news Wednesday night that a proposed town bylaw to restrict some assault weapons was going to be officially withdrawn.
The overwhelming majority of the close to 400 people who packed a special meeting of the Westford Board of Selectmen opposed the idea.
The man who originally proposed it told the crowd the debate had not gone as he had hoped...
...I thought there would be a [negative] reaction, Jeffries said. But I also thought maybe some other towns in Massachusetts might have also tried something similar and none of them did. So it left us isolated as the only ones.
Gun Prohibitionists are getting repeatedly dope-slapped by the false consensus effect lately...
Dammit, I hate when Jeff Jacoby is correct...
Read the following in the Sunday Boston Globe:
http://bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/02/17/the-nation-toughest-gun-control-law-made-massachusetts-less-safe/3845k7xHzkwTrBWy4KpkEM/story.html
By Jeff Jacoby
| Globe Columnist
February 17, 2013
IN 1998, Massachusetts passed what was hailed as the toughest gun-control legislation in the country. Among other stringencies, it banned semiautomatic assault weapons, imposed strict new licensing rules, prohibited anyone convicted of a violent crime or drug trafficking from ever carrying or owning a gun, and enacted severe penalties for storing guns unlocked.
Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence, said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law. It will save lives and help fight crime in our communities. Scott Harshbarger, the states Democratic attorney general, agreed: This vote is a victory for common sense and for the protection of our children and our neighborhoods. One of the states leading anti-gun activists, John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, joined the applause. The new gun law, he predicted, will certainly prevent future gun violence and countless grief....
...The 1998 legislation did cut down, quite sharply, on the legal use of guns in Massachusetts. Within four years, the number of active gun licenses in the state had plummeted. There were nearly 1.5 million active gun licenses in Massachusetts in 1998, the AP reported. In June [2002], that number was down to just 200,000. The author of the law, state Senator Cheryl Jacques, was pleased that the Bay States stiff new restrictions had made it possible to weed out the clutter....
...Since 1998, gun crime in Massachusetts has gotten worse, not better. In 2011, Massachusetts recorded 122 murders committed with firearms, the Globe reported this month a striking increase from the 65 in 1998. Other crimes rose too. Between 1998 and 2011, robbery with firearms climbed 20.7 percent. Aggravated assaults jumped 26.7 percent...
Not being subject to the delusion that the validity of a claim depends upon who is making the claim, I followed James Thurber's advice and looked it up on the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports website...
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-5
...and it looks like the Globe's pet libertarian got that one right-the murder rate in Massachusetts for 1998
was 2.0 per 100,000 inhabitants, went to 3.2 in 2010 and subsided to 2.8 in 2011, a 40% increase over
1998
The robbery rate rose as well, albeit not at nearly the same rate as murders: 96.6 in 1998 to 105.0
in 2010 and 102.7 in 2011.
One wonders what happened in Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, where gun laws have essentially been
the same for decades.
Massachusetts police chiefs sued over gun license limits
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/02/12/mass-police-chiefs-sued-over-gun-license-limits/9z2fi5udoCmnYMv8sQrDnN/story.htmlBy DENISE LAVOIE
AP Legal Affairs Writer / February 12, 2013
BOSTON (AP) Six Massachusetts residents, backed by a gun-rights group, are suing four police chiefs, claiming restrictions they place on gun licenses violate their Second Amendment rights.
A state law allows police to issue licenses to carry guns with restrictions limiting their use for sporting reasons, hunting or target practice. The federal lawsuit filed by Commonwealth Second Amendment Inc. claims those restrictions prevent gun owners from using or carrying handguns for protection.
The suit says policies on when to issue restrictions vary widely from town to town. Some communities refuse to issue licenses to carry guns without restrictions, while others issue some license without restrictions, but only if the applicants establish that they have a pronounced need to carry a gun, the lawsuit says. Still other towns issue licenses without restrictions.
Massachusetts (license to carry) scheme results in otherwise-qualified, law-abiding citizens of Massachusetts being denied the right to carry a firearm for self-defense, while other, similarly situated residents of Massachusetts are permitted to exercise their right to bear arms to protect themselves, the lawsuit states...
Finally, someone is taking on the unConstitutional "may-issue" laws!
Since these laws fly directly in the face of the Supreme Court decisions in Heller and McDonald,
expect them to be overturned (and the taxpayers of these various towns on the hook for the legal bills...)
Why yes, New York cops DO support gun control- just not *quite* the way you think they do...
The cops in this case would be the New York State Sheriffs' Association:
http://www.nysheriffs.org/
Following passage of the SAFE Act by the State Legislature and approval by the Governor, the Sheriffs now have had the opportunity to review the language of the new law and wish to make our comments available. The Sheriffs of New York state support many of the provisions of the SAFE Act, and believe that they will enhance public safety and help to shield citizens from gun violence. However, there are also some parts of this new law that need clarification, and some that we think should be reconsidered and modified to meet the concerns of the law enforcement community and the public at large.
We have identified the following six provisions of the new law which we believe are helpful and will increase the safety of our citizens. These include:
Continued here:
http://www.nysheriffs.org/articles/sheriffs%E2%80%99-response-ny-safe-act
After detailng the parts they do like, they discuss what they do not, among which are:
Reduction of ammunition magazine capacity. The new law enacts reductions in the maximum capacity of gun magazines. We believe based on our years of law enforcement experience that this will not reduce gun violence. The new law will unfairly limit the ability of law‐abiding citizens to purchase firearms in New York. It bears repeating that it is our belief that the reduction of magazine capacity will not make New Yorkers or our communities safer.
Five-year recertification of pistol permit status and registration of existing assault weapons. The new law delegates to the State Police the duty to solicit and receive updated personal information of permit holders every five years in order to maintain these permits. Further, the law requires owners of certain existing firearms now classified as assault weapons to register these with the State Police within one year. The recertification and registration conflict with Sheriffs duties regarding issuance of pistol permits. All records should be maintained at the local, and not the state level. This information should be accessible to those who are responsible for initial investigation of permit applications. Pistol permit information should be maintained in one file at the local level, and forwarded to a statewide database for law enforcement use. It bears repeating that it is our belief that pistol permit and any registration information required by the law should be confidential and protected from FOIL disclosure.
Once again, the impulse to 'do something NOW, dammit!' has led lawmakers astray. I wonder, what's
the over/under on when anti-rural bigotry pops up in a post?
Guns fly off the shelves- Worry about new controls spurs sales in New England
http://www.boston.com/business/news/2013/01/29/gun-makers-sellers-new-england-overwhelmed-with-orders-for-firearms-ammunition-before-new-restrictions/MxRlEI6MxLFmATTzPMuOiL/story.htmlWorry about new controls spurs sales in New England
By Callum Borchers and Todd Wallack
Globe Staff / January 29, 2013
Gun manufacturers and retailers throughout New England are struggling to keep up with surging demand as buyers, worried their options may soon be limited, snap up firearms and ammunition.
Shops say they have sold out of many popular gun models, including variations of the AR-15-style rifle used in last months mass shootings in Newtown, Conn. Some retailers have resorted to capping the number of bullets customers can buy in an effort to preserve dwindling inventories, or taken to marking up prices.
The sharp increase in sales is fueled by the looming prospect of greater controls on firearms. Proposals to further restrict or regulate ownership are pending nationally and in Massachusetts.
The surge in purchases can be gauged by the wave of background checks required for prospective gun buyers. Nine of the 10 busiest days for background checks ever recorded by the FBI were in the past two months. In December alone, the agency performed 25,251 checks for would-be buyers in Massachusetts an increase of 73 percent from a year earlier...
Good. I hope John Rosenthal got indigestion after reading that..
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