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Orlando nightclub shooting timeline: Three hours of terror unfold


For three hours, fear and uncertainty took hold of the Pulse nightclub.

The terror began when Omar Mateen, 29, walked into the club with a handgun and a semi-automatic rifle and began shooting. The Latin-themed night had been winding down at Pulse, a gay nightclub south of downtown Orlando. But plenty of people still crowded onto the dance floor.

When they heard the shots, some patrons ran. Others could not.

By the time the terror was over, 49 people were dead and at least 53 were injured.

Mateen, too, was dead, killed by Orlando Police Department officers who decided to breach the wall using an armored vehicle.

Here is a summary of the events as they unfolded, based on interviews with witnesses, families, and law enforcement, the emergency scanner, and social media posts.

The Orlando Sentinel has had amazing coverage on this. Sorry if dupe.

Obituaries for the slain victims from the Orlando Sentinel.


I've been working closely with Christal Hayes with the Sentinel to get more press for a cold case involving a trans woman, so reading her coverage has been nice -- I know she's definitely an ally if not LGBTQ herself.

Edit to fix tyops. It's early.

Bernie gave the best non-concession concession he could tonight.

I think he would have spoken more on unity. If he could. And it's appropriate that an electorate as large as DC gets to have some semblance of a primary, too.

Before he got onstage, the crowd had been shouting "BS" even as CNN commentators were making it clear (had the rally crowd been able to hear vs see the stuff CNN put up as captions and totals) that early results would be skewed toward Clinton and meant nothing due to it already being known that was the mail-in ballot totals (and knowing they ran heavily Clinton).

There was a small boo for Obama, and a much larger one for Hillary mentions.

And he did hold up his hand for silence.

The people there were chanting Bernie or Bust. He said it wasn't about "Bernie" and echoed Hillary's slogan about standing together. That was the most this crowd was ready for.

He emphasized that "the struggle continues" -- and I think that's going to be his exit theme. "I am not the struggle, you are the struggle. Only when you stop fighting for the vision of America we see does the struggle end."

Well done, Bernie. Sincerely.

According to the AP, Hillary now needs just 219 pledged delegates Tuesday to get a PD majority.

Demrace.com suggests that winning just 30% of California will gain her 142 PDs.

A 50/50 split of New Jersey will give her 63 more PDs.

That would leave her just needing to get 14 more in any of the other four states voting that night. Hillary will win a majority, not merely a plurality, of pledged delegates on Tuesday night.

Bernie, and many of his supporters, may be right when they say that it would be better to have a system like the Republicans do, where the simple majority decides it. But the superdelegates allow a three-way race won by a strong plurality winner rather than a straight majority PD winner to get a "magic majority" without having to have a brokered convention or multiple ballots. They are supposed to vote, as a group, in the way that best benefits the Democratic Party, and had Superdelegates who originally supported Hillary in 2008 not moved to Obama when it was clear he had a pledged delegate majority, there would have been an outcry beyond belief.

Just as there would have been had Bernie been the one to finish out ahead, and then superdelegates who initially supported her stayed with Hillary in too large of numbers to let Bernie hit the majority.

I've met one of them, Lottie Shakelford, Little Rock's first female mayor. She was giving a radio interview at the Little Rock Hillary watch party on Super Tuesday. Some like her may have remained dedicated, or asked another SD to trade around so there would still have been enough SD votes for Bernie to get the "magic number", had the numerical situations been reversed today. But in total, as a group, they have a responsibility to vote in a way that reflects the will of the voters.


Does this mean that Bernie supporters shouldn't vote until the voting stops? Of course not! Heck, Hillary voters might be the ones who get too overconfident. And I am genuinely sorry for the people who feel they never had a voice in this primary. Looking at news reports, it looks like California will be voting earlier in the next primaries.

Does the mathematics of this race mean that people who support the causes Bernie worked for (besides the defeat of Hillary Clinton herself) should stop working for those things to happen, even if it's under a Clinton administration? Again, of course not! The causes Bernie speaks about are far more importantly than any one man or woman.

Does this mean they are required to embrace, or vote for Clinton in the general? Of course it's not a requirement to still be a "real true" whatever, just please remember that Hillary and Bernie do agree on more than Bernie and Trump do in November when you make your choices on the downticket ballots at least.

I do hope, though, that we can all be civil as this wraps up. Don't call anyone a "loser" except Trump, for example.

Obama refused to debate Clinton after mid-April in 2008.

The last debate for 2016, April 25th, is later than any dates Obama accepted, despite still having 692 pledged delegates left to vote after the last debate
and only having a 120ish delegate lead.

Once NC and PA had voted, he flatly refused any more debates.



If Bernie wants to pay Trump the $10 million for a debate between the two, more power to him, but the reason Hillary isn't debating anymore is because she doesn't need to. Neither did Obama.

I must say it's amazingly ironic how Bernie is using nearly every one of Hillary's desperate talking points as she was losing in 08.

Until someone can link the actual 78 page report, can we limit the dupes?

Seriously, I've clicked every damn thread people are posting on this and not one has the report, which is what I want to see.

Of course, I'm sure there were tons of dupes about the "beauty contest" primaries. So really, I guess carry on, but if you do find the actual report, could you say so in the title? I'd sure appreciate it.

Have a great day. It's been thundering all morning here.

So, one of our three critters successfully dispatched a rodent.

The unlikely suspects:

1) Sandy, an eight-year old, 10 lb long haired dapple dachshund who has some predatory instincts, but to her owner's knowledge has never actually caught anything.

2) Hazard, a partially deaf, extremely chill cat my roommate found wandering as a kitten in the middle of the road. He still has fighting instincts when cornered, but apparently doesn't notice anything from keys jangling to vacuums. He did, however, freak out majorly from fireworks, so he might have some hearing in unusual ranges (maybe even the rodent range).

3) Ash, the kitten I adopted from the shelter long before his mom would have taught him how to hunt. He's much more of a "cat", and has always enjoyed thrown or moving toys and attacks them viciously, but usually would then bring it back for me to throw again. It could have been him, but if it was I think I would have woken up to the rodent on my bed, deposited there because it stopped playing but Mommy can throw things and make them move again.

It wasn't eaten, just killed. All three critters are well-fed, and got treats since we couldn't tell which slew the dragon.

Old, but worth a read... "More Than Likeable Enough"


More Than Likable Enough
I like Hillary Clinton. And I’m convinced that saying so can be a subversive act.

By Sady Doyle
My affection for Hillary Clinton is hard to explain. It wins no fights and earns you no friends to admit feeling actual warmth, even protectiveness, toward this impossible, frustrating, contradictory, polarizing, disappointing woman. My finding Hillary intensely “likable” is weird. It doesn’t signify universal approval of her decisions. I can and do disagree with Hillary Clinton, regularly and strongly. But some part of me also hopes that Hillary Clinton is having a nice day.

I’ve come to believe that saying nice things about Hillary Clinton can be a subversive act. I recently spent some time sorting through Clintoniana dating back to the early 1990s, looking at the nasty things people have said about her and common narratives that have formed about her personality. I got a better sense of the pressures that she has to live with—even on days when Donald Trump isn’t using words such as disgusting and schlonged to describe her—and how those pressures have informed her decisions.

Unless you really take a look at those pressures, the narrative around Hillary Clinton’s “likability” is doomed to be inaccurate. Trying to parse Hillary Clinton without also parsing Hillary hate is like trying to drink water without touching the glass.

Here is one of those pressures: Hillary Clinton absolutely cannot express negative emotion in public. If she speaks loudly or gets angry or cries, she risks being seen as bitchy, crazy, dangerous. (When she raised her voice during the 2013 Benghazi Senate committee hearings, the cover of the New York Post blared “NO WONDER BILL’S AFRAID.”) But if Hillary avoids emotions—if she speaks strictly in calm, logical, detached terms—then she is cold, robotic, calculating.

I saw this, and I have to agree. People think her support among women is "voting with their ovaries", but it's from a different source. Just as men aren't being sexist, nor are women betraying feminism, for supporting Bernie -- just because they disagree so much with her policies doesn't make them sexist.

But if elected officials can be sexist enough to, as a "joke", suggest an amendment to a law about exotic dancers requiring them to be young and height-weight proportionate.... just because it's not coming from Progressive Bernie supporters on DU doesn't mean it isn't happening out in the world.

This "Bernie Sanders Glowsticks" Meme Was Made by Someone Who Wants to Kill You

Edited to delete link to picture just to make sure no one here falls for it.


Someone wants Bernie Sanders supporters to feel the burn — in their skin, filling their nostrils and in their lungs, even to the point of death.

A short infographic pulled straight from the Anarchist Cookbook called "How to make Bernie Sander's Glowsticks!" [sic] found its way to Tumblr, DeviantArt and Reddit in the past 48 hours.

Ostensibly, it's a guide to making small, blue glow sticks. It's even stamped with a fake "Bernie Sanders approves!" message at the bottom.

These instructions do not tell you how to make glow sticks. These are instructions for how to make a deadly chlorine bomb.

Bad, bad 4channer!

Seriously, this is awful.

GD:P Meta Lesson 101: Trolls: Don't feed them, don't accuse them.

At some point everyone has to be responsible for their own behavior, and remember that "s/he started it" wasn't a good excuse for bad behavior even in gradeschool. Civility should be the ideal.

But not everyone is civil. Some, as the article on this subject I'm highlighting mentions, are just assholes online because it's easier to be an asshole when you're not face to face and we all gotta vent somewhere. Sometimes there are genuine disruptors, often referred to as "trolls". The meme that there is a mighty Clinton paid troll brigade doesn't help -- those are not trolls, but shills, and accusing Clinton supporters of being either for having the audacity to express their opinion is REALLY GETTING OLD... uh, sorry about that. I'll moderate my volume....

Still, the way of dealing with both is the same. Since you can't control their behavior, you control your own.

There are three rules to remember if you think you're dealing with a "troll":

1) Don't feed the trolls. If they're doing it for personal amusement, they are just going to get enjoyment from your responses. If they're a volunteer or paid brigade supporting or opposing a candidate, your reply gives their arguments a kick and more visibility, which accomplishes their goals for them. Disruptors thrive by disrupting. If you ignore them, they can't disrupt anyone, get bored/told by the imaginary payroll manager to move to another forun, and go away.

2) Don't accuse them of being trolls. Not only is that feeding them, the article points out that sometimes it's hard to tell a real troll from J Random Asshole. Remember what opinions resemble -- we all have them, at least one person on the Internet thinks ours stinks, and usually vice-versa. Plus, it's a really lame thing, to go ad-hominem when you can't find another reason to say why they're wrong. Lastly, it's a personal attack, and recent Ask the Admins indicate there will actually be RULES here after the primary is over! Which is to say, better to start practicing new arguments. Just not with trolls.

3) Report suspected trolls to the Malicious Intruder Removal team. Even if the troll has been subtle/prolific to not be caught right away (the vast majority of Obvious Trolls are Obvious), if circumstances warrant they can get Admin to make the call if needed. Don't try to play detective on your own, especially not in public forums.

Remember, the idea of "trolling" came from fishing. If you think someone's a troll, don't take their bait!
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