Waiting For Everyman
Waiting For Everyman's JournalA person isn't going to change their vote to post on DU.
That's silly right off the top. And don't threaten us. We've had enough.
The two Dem candidates are not similar and are not equal. They are opposites in character and agenda. One is SOLD OUT. SOLD. SOLD. SOLD. SOLD. LOCK, STOCK, AND BARREL. And we aren't among the buyers.
SOLD. Understand? Everyone in that same circle, politicians and media, is likewise SOLD, and under the system of "get your outlandishly big payoff and don't ever tell about this" or "get destroyed". That level of corruption is bad enogh, but it continues to corrupt new people all the time, especially any who would fix it for us.
You don't change that EVER by electing another one that is known in advance to be sold. How in the hell does that make the slightest sense?
(And in this case, we might be electing one of the actual creators of this system of corruption; certainly one of the very few key lynch pins holding it in place in this era.)
One of them is a neocon, with fans including Kagan, Cheney, and KISSINGER. Not long ago. TODAY. NOW. I didn't choose the friends, the candidate did.
If the Dem party KNOWINGLY chooses and ENABLES yet another SOLD OUT neocon, then nothing can fix that. It won't be a surprise that this country will get what it asks for and puts in office. Do we think we're going to elect a sold out neocon and somehow get a good president, or even a remotely tolerable president? How looney is that?
I'm not saying what anyone should do, I'm not saying what I will do, but these flypaper posts are over the top now.
When stating a true fact is grounds for banning or harassment via juries, I guess after 8 years I abandon this site to its echo chamber.
I can leave this board and be just fine. But I will NOT be told how to vote, especially by those who don't see a problem with the above. And yes, it goes without even saying the same thing is on the Repub side. All of them are a fail, only one candidate running is acceptable as a president. Any of the others will result in a lot of damage and it's pretty much the same including Scotus issues. If you think one of the fails will do better than the others I'd say that supposition is based on absolutely nothing.
We thought we were getting a good candidate with Obama, and the system corrupted him and he screwed us on almost everything (not talking about Congress here, just him). What do you think we'd get with a candidate we know is bad going into it.?
(I predict that once out of office, Obama will become super-wealthy so fast it'll make our heads spin. He has a big pay day coming, watch and see if I'm not right.)
A "D" in fron of the name is not going to help when the payoffs start getting collected on, and the paymasters are the same on both parties. Tell me you think the "D" will make a difference. And if you really believe that, you're in for a big surprise. But DON'T say you didn't know it going in, because you'll be getting what you literally asked for. My tiny violin will stay in its case.
Only one candidate in either party is standing up to the above, and we might not get another one for a really long time.
Feels like a big black swan coming.
A Nassim Taleb "black swan", that is.Coincidentally, that's been my family's symbol for going on 600 years, 400 of them in this country (as of 6 years ago).
My ancestor, in the 1470s-80s was the herald (historian/secretary) of brothers Edward IV and Richard III, the last of the House of York of England. He knew a thing or two about tectonic shifts in the political world, no doubt.
Same for the dude some generations later who came here on the ship "Sea Venture" (shipwrecked on Bermuda in a hurricane -- imagine being fortunate enough to hit that tiny unknown island in the middle of the ocean in a hurricane -- with not one life lost out of 150, who then claimed it for a new stock company they formed for it; the whole beach was full of ambergris and apparently he among others became a millionaire back then). After reaching Virginia he survived the Indian Massacre of 1622 and lived to an old age.
So there is bad luck and then there is good luck (and sometimes the two are a little mixed together). Which the black swan will bring next, we'll find out. But sometimes it comes in an incredible way.
As an aside... for all that, you'd think I'd be a great swimmer and/or sailor, right? But no, I am strangely "cursed" -- I never could float (I sink like a rock), and I sink every boat as soon as I get on them (three by now, two of them rather large so I don't try anymore). Weird, huh? It gets weirder yet, the surname of this family is Waters... Waters of the swans... and that was 150 years before Bermuda. Truth is much stranger than fiction.
No reason I'm telling you this particularly, except it seemed to be the right time for a story.
We, all of us, have a story, we all have to have a chance to be what we're meant to be, whatever that is... and that's why Sanders has to win.
Needless to say, I feel a litle invested in this place and I'd like to see it rise from the right-wing ashes of the last 4 decades, and be again what FDR proved it could be.
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(Btw, no, they didn't have any slaves and they didn't steal any Indian land -- they weren't crooked enough to stay rich very long, but that's ok.)
Well I guess I'm a contrarian again
but while I agree with the sentiment behind it, as a Sanders supporter I'm not on board with this.
I'll just link to my reply above:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511472171#post133
I'd guess that because the Stones came out earlier (1964).
He was probably phasing out of the youth scene when Led first hit (1969).
I'll bet he liked this one, a nice anti-propaganda ditty...
Although, if offered the choice, I'd also bet he might've chosen the Yardbirds from the same time-frame...
Or maybe the Kinks. Ah well, questions for another day.
We don't need a woman president. (and btw I'm a woman)
We need a competent president with character who is NOT BOUGHT. That leaves Hillary out, on all counts. There is not one office she has held that she hasn't substantially screwed up.
We are not here to give her opportunities for personal advancement. She has already advanced way beyond her actual capabilities, largely by being married to Bill.
Without that on her "resume" I highly doubt that she would've been elected to the Senate from New York, or appointed Secretary of State. Just how far is that marriage supposed to ride her? To be president? Oh hell no, we think more of our country than that! That is as offensive as the rest of the candidates except for Bernie. He is the ONLY one running who deserves that vote.
And being the darling of Henry Kissinger is a DEAL BREAKER. Wherever you're from, you don't know enough about America.
What bothers me most is that she can say this stuff with a straight face.
Or worse, sometimes a smirk. This is a woman who thinks in plausible deniability and gotcha spin designed to wrongfully kneecap another person. If it were someone else's idea and alien to her way of thinking, she wouldn't be able to say it to a large public audience. It is in fact how she thinks.
By contrast, it was clear that Sanders never dreamed she could come up with such a knowingly-twisted lie about the auto bail out. You can't plan to defend what you can't imagine. His mind does not work that way.
It reminded me of Tanya Harding's attack on Nancy Kerrigan. Clinton seemed proud of herself for it, that's who she is.
It's a fundamental thing that matters a lot. We have a real person and a fake; a positive person and a poisonous one. The idea that they're both on our side and either one's ok, is nonsense.
Aww... "Only one thing Hillary did wrong...
...stayed in Mississippi a day too long". 
Mississippi (Bob Dylan, 1997)
Every step of the way we walk the line
Your days are numbered, so are mine
Time is pilin’ up, we struggle and we scrape
We’re all boxed in, nowhere to escape
City’s just a jungle; more games to play
Trapped in the heart of it, tryin' to get away
I was raised in the country, I been workin’ in the town
I been in trouble ever since I set my suitcase down
Got nothin' for you, I had nothin' before
Don’t even have anything for myself anymore
Sky full of fire, pain pourin’ down
Nothing you can sell me, I’ll see you around
All my powers of expression and thoughts so sublime
Could never do you justice in reason or rhyme
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long
Well, the devil’s in the alley, mule’s in the stall
Say anything you wanna, I have heard it all
I was thinkin’ 'bout the things that Rosie said
I was dreaming I was sleepin' in Rosie’s bed
Walkin' through the leaves, falling from the trees
Feelin' like a stranger nobody sees
So many things that we never will undo
I know you’re sorry, I’m sorry too
Some people will offer you their hand and some won’t
Last night I knew you, tonight I don’t
I need somethin’ strong to distract my mind
I’m gonna look at you ’til my eyes go blind
Well I got here followin' the southern star
I crossed that river just to be where you are
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long
Well my ship’s been split to splinters and it’s sinkin' fast
I’m drownin’ in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it’s light and it’s free
I’ve got nothin’ but affection for all those who’ve sailed with me
Everybody movin’ if they ain’t already there
Everybody got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interestin' right about now
My clothes are wet, tight on my skin
Not as tight as the corner that I painted myself in
I know that fortune is waitin’ to be kind
So give me your hand and say you’ll be mine
Well, the emptiness is endless, cold as the clay
You can always come back, but you can’t come back all the way
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long
Any who can, don't forget Alan Grayson and Donna Edwards too.
Both of them are supporting Sanders and both are being attacked by the DNC and other party groups for it.
Grayson in Florida and Edwards in Maryland. They'll need help from us without support from the party. We need both of them in the Senate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-wolfson/alan-grayson-if-theyre-sh_b_9385594.html
http://www.marylandscramble.com/2016/02/13/ouch-cbc-pac-snubs-donna-edwards/
If not Sanders, it will be a Republican.
Of course I care. That won't change it one bit.
You don't call the Fire Department after the house has burned down.
This election reminds me of 1968, when the Dems should've backed an anti-war candidate but instead went with the Establishment sure-thing, LBJ's VP Hubert Humphrey. Lots of people voted for Tricky Dicky because he promised to end the war, while Humphrey was more "practical" and refused to. Of course Nixon won and he didn't end it, he never intended to. This won't end well either.
"Peace candidate" Nixon's 1968 campaign ad "I pledge to you we shall have an honorable end to the war in Viet Nam". It went on for 7 more years...
Instead of nominating a real peace candidate, the Dem convention nominated Humphrey to continue justifying the war, becoming the "war party" even though the peace movement was almost entirely Dems; it also defeated the anti-war plank of the convention platform.
A documentary in 1984 looking back to 1968: "The Establishment kept its power (in nominating Humphrey) and lost the election"...
Lots of those kids couldn't vote because although they could be drafted at 18, the voting age was 21 then, so the Dem Establishment thought it was safe to disregard them. When they could vote later, they were so turned off that they didn't vote for a long time, and when they did, many still hated the Dem party so much that they voted for Reagan. That is the mistake the Dem party is making all over again right now -- maybe not as drastically, but similarly.
This is what happens when the fake is allowed to replace the real, at the Establishment's bidding.
"how the system works" doesn't work anymore
The only way to avert the Trump presidency is to nominate Bernie. The only way. That's how it is now.
If Bernie supporters were the kind of people who vote how they're told, they would be Clinton supporters. Clearly, that is not true. Clearly, IF anybody bothers to notice this primary at all.
The big come-together isn't going to happen. People can ignore that if they want, but that won't make it less true.
Edit:
"Bye, bye, Miss American Pie... "
Chickens may take a long time coming home, but evenually effect will follow cause.
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