May 27, 2016

Yours is the most important and interesting post I've read here in some time.

I started last night and have read the whole thread. Most of us who now oppose Hillary so strongly can empathize with how you feel now, because most of us at one time supported her and had our own turning points of disillusionment about her. It doesn't feel good at all. It feels like we have been played, because we have. She used the groundswell of support given to her as a screen, as a "get out of jail free card" to enable her to indulge her ambition in any way she chose to.

The "pay to play" between the State Dept. and the Clinton Foundation, done by both Clintons is an even worse scandal which will come out in the near future. So just letting you know, there is more and worse to come.

I am also very angry at the Dem party and her promoters in government because they knew all about this, and covered it up. That is why it wasn't reported sufficiently by media sources which grass roots Dems would have listened to long before this. The Dem party has allowed her to run under false pretenses! Voters should have been made aware of this fully, in order to make an informed decision during the election. To me, they are guilty of fraud of the worst kind, right along with her.

Thank you for being thoughtful and honest, and for sharing your thoughts with us. It is refreshing to see an act of character on this board. You have done an important thing today.

The thinking process you have gone through is what we need so many more to do and in a hurry, before this election gets caught up in the train wreck that Hillary and the Dem PTB have put us in. I suppose their thinking was that in order to save ourselves we would be forced to save her too, making us complicit in this tawdry mess (her wrongheaded behavior is like a black hole, that has sucked more and more people into it to cover it up.)

If that was the calculation that was made, it's pretty cynical.

My hat is off to you, madaboutharry! You're an outstanding DUer in my book!


p.s. I'm very sorry to see the block by Hillary Group. That mindset of blanket denial of anything negative about Hillary is how we all came to this dangerous and awful point in this election, with time running out. I hope you will post a lot in GDP, as I'm very interested in what you have to say after this point.

May 25, 2016

As FDR said of the banksters,

"I welcome their hatred".

May 24, 2016

This is the big story today -- a real wake up call.

For those who still think it's a nothingburger... She used ONLY her own private server in her home, for 4 years of State Department official communications. She didn't use her secured .gov account AT ALL. Read that a few more times. Yes, it's true.

4 years, everything to and from the Secretary of State! Want to argue that nothing in that involved national security? Then what was she doing, shopping on QVC all day? That is so grossly negligent, nothing even needs to be proved.

No one else ever did that. No thinking adult would even dream of doing that. And nobody gave her permission to do that, except herself.

It's time to pay attention.

God knows, I don't like these intel guys! But they are right this time.

Even if Clinton people don't care about this, the public WILL care when they find out about it. And they will be saying WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS? WHY HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING IT? And those questions will go directly to CAMP CLINTON. To HRC herself, her surrogates, her media pundits, and her supporters both officials at all levels and grass roots. The public is not going to be happy about this, and these Intel people just blew the lid on it.

Boom! Mic drop.

Wait and see if that isn't so. Better start getting the press releases ready. Without the lies this time, would be a good idea, if that's possible. Yes, it will take a small amount of time to sink in, but not that much time. Even Obama cannot ignore this, he will have to comment on it.

And... there's also Hillary's own interview with the FBI taking place, right about now.

May 22, 2016

If Dems were worried about Trump, they'd be voting Sanders.

Those voting for Hillary have no case to make about scary Trump. Just stop. It isn't even the slightest bit logical.

By voting for Hillary you're telling us Trump is no big deal. Don't blame us if we hear the message.

May 21, 2016

I changed my mind. Now I think it could happen.

Since the DNC just arbitrarily changed the rules for the remaining Primary state conventions to allow Clinton and the Party to make decisions behind the scenes and crush dissent, and secondly it's been announced there will be no more exit polls done (it isn't worth it because Clinton's the nominee), I wouldn't be surprised to see Sanders run on his own in some manner.

I think we're being set up for some major vote stealing, especially in California, and continued repression on through the Convention.

If that happens, on top of the outrageous way this Primary has already been conducted, and the lousy, biased treatment of Sanders by those in the party, he might see things differently than he did going into this election.

When the other side doesn't keep the deal, bets are off.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512017702

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512011092

May 20, 2016

I have actually changed my mind on this.

The ONLY way I can imagine voting for HRC, is if Bernie were VP with the understood conditions that he would have access to everything that is going going, and the understanding that he would let us (the public) know if he thought anything wasn't kosher. He would also need to have free reign on what to work on.

I will say right out front, I do not believe HRC would complete a term before the email scandal blows up. If she gets elected, I think she is likely to be impeached.

I think this would be a good insurance policy, and it would be fair since he got nearly half the vote, and he could keep an eye on things in a second Clinton WH, which I am very leery of.

I doubt he would do it, and I doubt she would ask him. But lots of POTUSs and VEEPs don't get along, and they accept the ticket anyway.

I'm not wild about the idea, but I could marginally accept it with trepidation.

May 19, 2016

Wow. And then went on tv and smeared those she taunted.

She's blowing fake kisses at them as she leaves, and possibly worse at the end.

What a fake, arrogant, disgusting scumbag, she is!

Thanks for the video, very enlightening.

May 18, 2016

No, but he has the power to torpedo HRC in an instant if he did.

Maybe that fact ought to be kept in mind a bit more. So long as he doesn't do it, he is doing her the VERY BIGGEST FAVOR POSSIBLE. (And an equally huge favor, not mentioning the FBI.)

Does she act at all grateful? Hell NO. And that tells a lot about who she is, who her followers are, what the Dem Party has become, and what this election is about.

He could pull the plug on her anytime he wanted.

Now keep smearing and lying about the man. (not you pinebox, generally meant)

All he needs to have is a "fuck this" moment.

He's like the guy holding the pin in the grenade. Go ahead, tackle him to play these stupid games.

May 18, 2016

"Those who DIDN'T GET TO VOTE in Primaries WILL NOT be on her side..."

Your whole post summed up the situation very well, and that one statement especially jumped out at me.

We're constantly aware of the difference in results when Independents are shut out of primaries, but I don't think we look at it from their point of view as far as motivation for a particular candidate in the General Election.

They don't feel included or invested in the process. An analogy might be a conversation among several people in which they are talked over and have no input, and no one is interested in what they have to say. It's boring and insulting when it goes on repeatedly.

Those of us who have been in a party for a long time do not really appreciate how important this is. And now, Independents are 45% of the entire electorate -- the biggest group! Granted, they are not all Dem-leaning, but that isn't the point.

A party that leaves them on the sidelines and doesn't care about their views is not going to have any depth of strength to win.

This is the big thing Bernie has done, which is under-appreciated. For once, they have been brought in and included in the conversation and we see the response. The only problem is, they do not usually take part in primaries and so they are not familiar enough with the process to know the fine points of registering.

Bernie's campaign has been so short on time, that there has not been enough of a chance to inform them properly, as I'm sure he would've liked to do. Of course, the media has been little help as they have become mostly useless.

And now having brought them into the conversation, the Dem party is slapping those people in the face by blatantly railroading their candidate with obvious election rigging and voter fraud, in order to hand the election to the candidate they emphatically don't want. In my opinion, they will turn on this party in droves. Independents do not like dishonesty or unfairness, especially millennials.

I really fail to see how party designation, which is essentially signing up for a meaningless card saying "D" on it, is a reason to disenfranchise a huge swath of people. If someone is going to vote Dem in the General, why is having that "D" card a few months ahead of time a reason to exclude them from choosing which candidate will run via the Primary? It's nonsense!

All of this party allegiance stuff is nonsense at a grass roots voter level, and nobody knows it more clearly than Independents. BUT THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

NOBODY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THE VOTING PROCESS. PERIOD.

Anyway, I realize I'm preaching to the choir because it was your point after all, you just started me thinking. Great post, ChiciB1!

May 15, 2016

The dickish sore-losership is Boxer's.

Cheaters are dickish sore losers by definition.

If there's more cheating by HRC at the convention, which seems likely, then who would be surprised if that doesn't go well?

HRC and the Dem establishment don't seem to understand something -- we voters don't take orders from them. They don't pay us, and we don't owe them anything -- not even civility if it is undeserved. So they can just get down off of their high horses right now, because we aren't buying any of it.

As Bernie has already explicitly said, we don't take orders from him either.

What can you expect -- that's easy. There are youtube videos of inside the 1968 Chicago convention. Watch them. Pull the same shit, most likely get the same reaction.

Go that way, expect to lose just like then. But "Watergate 2.0" will still happen.