sarisataka
sarisataka's JournalCommunity meeting- St. Paul tonight Aug, 15
about violence on the East Side
http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/stpaul-paynephalen/files/f/up8nhEKwuCelIrH6lx7rLF3WRsc-51E-2qeFBXi/COMMUNITY_MEETING_AUGUST15.pdf
So let's look at the root cause- was the U.S. at fault?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are directly related to Pearl Harbor. Japan sought to neutralize the Pacific Fleet as they fought to obtain resources the U.S. was denying.
Should the U.S. not have gone to war, instead viewing the Japanese attack as an inevitable result of pressure from the embargo? Or should there have never been any embargo and the U.S. used only diplomatic means to restrain Japanese aggression?
California Attorney General says feds not exempt from state ‘safe’ handgun law (with poll)
“The AG says the feds can only buy firearms listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale (like the rest of us),” attorney Chuck Michel wrote on CalGunLaws.com.
While it may sound absurd on the surface to allow police officers to walk around with guns the state has deemed “unsafe,” the language is deceptive. They’re not talking about things like guns that blow up in your hand due to faulty design, material defects or workmanship.
“To not be considered ‘unsafe,’ handguns must pass performance tests and have certain features that (in theory only) make the firearms allegedly safer,” Michel explained. “Most problematic for the California public is the recent development that before any semiautomatic pistol can be added to the Roster of guns approved for sale they must be equipped with ‘microstamping’ technology.
Oakland considering ban on violent tools at protests
Tuesday, July 30, 2013
OAKLAND, Calif. -- A proposal to ban hammers, wrenches, shields, sling shots, paint projectiles and other potentially destructive items at protests will be considered by the Oakland City Council at its meeting on Tuesday night.
The ordinance prohibiting so-called "tools of violence and vandalism" during a demonstration is being proposed by Councilman Noel Gallo, who said in a letter to his colleagues that it's designed to counter violence that occurred during recent protests against the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin in Florida.
Gallo said the damage to businesses in downtown Oakland and the adjacent Chinatown district included broken windows, graffiti and arson. In addition, a waiter at the restaurant Flora was hit in the face with a hammer, he said.
Gallo said the ordinance is needed because "the Oakland Police Department needs additional tools to help protect life and property in our city."
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9190517
So are hammers a freedom of speech issue or is the council looking at the wrong tools?
Proctor Chief Turns to Citizens During Ammo Shortage
May 9, 2013
Updated May 9, 2013 at 7:34 PM CDT
Duluth, MN (NNCNOW.com) - A nationwide ammunition shortage has police departments across the country counting their bullets. It's no different in Proctor, where the Chief says he was told he'd have to wait months, even a year to get more ammo.
"I was really surprised, let's just put it that way," said Chief Walt Wobig of the difficulty getting ammunition.
Woberg says that when he asked suppliers for the 1,000 rounds of ammo his officers needed for training, he was told he'd have to wait months.
"I go, 'Do you have 40–caliber qualification rounds?' And they go, 'Well, no. It's going to take six to eight months [to get them],'" said Wobig of a conversation with a manufacturer.
Isn't the monster purchase of .40 cal by DHS supposed to also be available to police?
Movie theater publicity stunt triggers officers to respond to active shooter situation
Management at the Goodrich Capital 8 Theaters is defending what it calls a publicity stunt at the movie theaters this past weekend.
During the opening weekend of the latest 'Iron Man' movie, a man walked into the theater in full tactical gear and carrying a fake gun.
Jefferson City police and witnesses, however, are not pleased with the stunt and are questioning the theater's logic after recent shootings in Aurora, Colo. and Newtown, Conn.
John Molock is a retired Army war veteran and suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. He told ABC 17 News this most recent trip to the movies triggered memories he never wanted to relive.
Is there a serious lack of oxygen affecting brains in this country?
Minnesota House passes gay marriage; bill heads to Senate Monday
The vote sends the debate to the Minnesota Senate, which is expected to vote on same-sex marriage on Monday. Gov. Mark Dayton has said he will the bill should it reach his desk.
The House had been seen as the bill's toughest challenge, with Senate leaders declaring they have the support to pass the bill weeks ago.
Supporters and opponents of the bill to legalize gay marriage started gathering at the Minnesota Capitol hours before the House took up the bill at noon. Some of the House DFLers -- who have the controlling majority -- stopped to give hugs and high-fives as they walked into the chamber along a hallway lined with supporters and opponents chanting and raising signs.
Repubs way over-reached on the "Marriage {in}Equality Act" last ballot. They lost the Legislature and now are facing their worst nightmare.
I may have to get my suit out; I think there will be a couple of weddings soon.
Let's look on the good side
They terrorists are white- HOORAY- this proves they are racist white supremacists and (young) old white males
They are from a Muslim family- BOO- since Islam=Middle East all Muslims and foreigners darker than a piece of paper will be blamed
They had guns- HOORAY- this shows how lax our gun laws are
It happened in Massachusetts- BOO- they are held as an example of a state with good strong gun laws (even if it was Romney who signed many)
Therefore they had to go out of state- HOORAY- it shows how criminals will break laws to get guns
Wait, that's an NRA talking point- BOO
Maybe now the government will take serious action- HOORAY- maybe the Dems can push for GC- HOORAY- and Repubs can push for secret lists of people to watch and limit their activities without due process- HOORAY- wait, no we don't like that BOO, but more than a few on DU love the idea of an authoritarian state that constantly monitors everyone... I'm confused, let's just move on...
Repubs will push for more scrutiny of foreigner visitors and probably want the suspect sent to Gitmo.........
Hmmm, maybe this whole situation sucks and we can gloat what is and is not true about the suspects but in fact there are no winners only victims 
Give the Devil his due
The NRA deserves the majority of the credit/blame for the crash and burn of gun control bills They played a poor hand masterfully and were handed many strategic and tactical advantages.
-immediate post-Newtown the NRA did the best thing they could have... nothing. (Honestly who would have accepted any statement of remorse or sympathy as sincere?)
-they used the time to keep a finger in the wind and develop a counter plan to knee jerk reactions- armed teachers.
-Like any good lie, it is 90% true. We see people carrying guns every day such as police and security officers. No one even sees the gun on the guy filling the ATM.
-many places do have armed guards without incidents.
-the tiny lie is the omission that schools are different from banks, power plants etc.
-the reaction was support from the usual places and outrage from all expected points. But the NRA could say “See we are trying”
-WLP took to the air to mobilize his core support by overemphasizing the extreme control proposals, overemphasizing his reasonableness and flat out misrepresenting reasonable proposals.
Help from gun control supporters gave the NRA an easy road:
-knee jerk reactions using the word 'ban' validated the last 4+ years of doom and gloom predictions of Obama' 'real' objective.
-Biden's committee made a grave error. He first spoke to LE representatives, which makes sense. Then every pro-GC group came up and last the NRA
-it gave the appearance the opinion of gun owners was irrelevant and the decisions were already made
-while there were no big surprises in what the pro-GC people said, the NRA had the advantage of seeing everyone else's cards before betting. They could answer and act on the offense
-had they gone first they would have had to put forth a position without knowing exactly what was on the table
-Bloomberg has money, but his interference is seen as a rich New England against rural America
-NY's hasty SAFE Act passing w/out debate and full of flaws showed that proposals were no being well planned but implemented 'while they have the chance'
-the group blame leveled at all gun owners while crowing how the majority of gun owners support increased BC diluted the message of support
-dispersion of effort. It would make sense to rally behind the Giffords and present a single unified voice in favor of GC
-the demands of all or nothing further polarized the matter
Lest I be accused of being an NRA shill (can anyone direct me as to where to collect the money) here is how to pass GC bills
-ain't happening this year
-write a strong UBC bill with penalties for straw purchase and transferring guns to criminals
-make a streamlined process for inter-family transfer
-give up the AWB. The loss of support is greater than the effect on crime
-include National Reciprocity
-set broad minimal qualification standards and allow the states to decide how to meet these standards
-allow states to set restrictions short of total prohibition
-increase penalties for those who deal without an FFL and dealers who violate BC requirements
-use the hunters Turn In Poachers model to encourage reporting of people selling guns without conducting UBC
-focus effort and money behind a single pro-GC group
-reach out to the 80+/-% of gun owners who support UBC to join the movement
-call out the NRA at every opportunity on their prior support of UBC
-if absolutely needed, put in a sunset clause. It will be much easier to renew the law by showing how it helped, than the ambiguity of the AWB in 2004
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