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PatrickforO

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Counselor, economist and public servant.

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Something good about Hillary Clinton.

In an article published yesterday in HuffPo titled, "Hillary Clinton Spoke About Reproductive Justice In A Genuinely Intersectional Way," Clinton comes out unabashedly pro abortion access. Here's a short excerpt:

Clinton’s speech was a powerful reminder that the concept of “choice” is hollow for low-income people who may not actually have a choice when it comes to terminating their pregnancies because they can’t afford an abortion.

“Let’s repeal laws like the Hyde Amendment that make it nearly impossible for low-income women — disproportionately women of color — to exercise their full reproductive rights,” she said.


I can get behind that, because I am unabashedly pro abortion access.

You know, I can understand, sort of, how I got blocked from the HRC group.

But I've recently found out that I have been banned from the Obama group. I do not think this fair, as I have never said anything that would warrant that. Yes, I disagree with Obama on the TPP, and I have talked about that, and I'm still a bit uptight about him putting 'entitlement's on the table for the so-called 'Grand Bargain.' And I wasn't thrilled with the way we got the ACA instead of single payer in 2009, and no one ever actually told us the truth - that we can't have it because it is against provisions in the GATS agreement of 1995. I'm not a big drone guy either.

Those things said, Obama has accomplished a great deal of good. I believe history will paint him as a good, likely great president. I'm especially happy he has now lent his considerable political weight to the idea that we should be expanding Social Security, not cutting it. I also like his stance on gun controls.

My point here is that banning me from the Obama room was and is unfair. The pinned thread stating the purpose of the Obama room to provide a safe haven for basically Obama fans says nothing at all about people not being able to post their disagreements with Obama.

Those times when I've pointed out what I think are weaknesses in Obama positions, I have NEVER resorted to any name calling, personal attacks or anything like that. Rather, I usually cite studies or other data in support of my positions. But to kick me out? I mean there was no notification or anything - one day I just couldn't post there.

Don't you think this is kind of a mixed message because you've allowed so much free and constructive debate in the General Primaries room? I mean, this is the Democratic Underground and I am and have been a registered Democrat since the mid-80s. Don't I get a voice when I disagree? Do I always have to agree? And, if so, why? Are those in the room so sensitive that they cannot stand a reasoned argument against a policy stance?

Because I LIKE Obama and I've never, ever done anything but issue reasoned arguments on those things with which I disagree.

You don't have to answer. I guess I don't expect one. But what I want is for you to consider the things I've said. If we take away debate, then we are little more than an echo chamber, and we've seen with Fox 'news' what an unrestrained echo chamber can 'accomplish.'

There was a post to which I really wanted to reply. This post had a video of President Obama

debunking Fox 'news' lies in a speech he gave in Indiana. But when I hit the 'reply' key, I found I had been blocked from that group by some mysterious Obama Group host.

Now, I am in disagreement with Obama's trade policies. Virulent disagreement in fact, and I have been vocal about my disagreement with so-called 'free' trade and the horrible ramifications it has had on the economy.

I have been just as vocal in saying Obama has done some really good stuff policy wise. Because he has. Obama has had to push the river because he came into office in a hole where we had just done the TARP bailout and he had to do ARRA and ACA because we were losing 750K jobs a month.

Yes, under Obama this economy has more or less come back. It is not Obama's fault that wages of middle class workers are still stagnating. Yet it is true due to neoliberal economic philosophies being propagated, flogged in fact, by virtually all the corporate owned politicians and media.

But Obama has done a good job and he's a good guy. I have also repeatedly pointed out that he is a moral man, a good husband and father, and that his administration hasn't had ANY scandals to even speak of. He is a good president and I feel reassured with him in office, unlike I felt when W was in there.

But I've been blocked from the Obama room.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE MY POST HERE AND IN GENERAL DISCUSSION. HERE IT IS:

When the general election begins after the primaries are over, the three most powerful voices on the side of sanity will be Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who I believe will all campaign tirelessly for Clinton.

So....gosh. That was horrible, awful, terrible wasn't it???

I saw a thread on which I really wanted to post. The post was about Obama

debunking Fox 'news' lies in a speech he gave in Indiana. But when I hit the 'reply' key, I found I had been blocked from that group by some mysterious Obama Group host.

Now, I am in disagreement with Obama's trade policies. Virulent disagreement in fact, and I have been vocal about my disagreement with so-called 'free' trade and the horrible ramifications it has had on the economy.

I have been just as vocal in saying Obama has done some really good stuff policy wise. Because he has. Obama has had to push the river because he came into office in a hole where we had just done the TARP bailout and he had to do ARRA and ACA because we were losing 750K jobs a month.

Yes, under Obama this economy has more or less come back. It is not Obama's fault that wages of middle class workers are still stagnating. Yet it is true due to neoliberal economic philosophies being propagated, flogged in fact, by virtually all the corporate owned politicians and media.

But Obama has done a good job and he's a good guy. I have also repeatedly pointed out that he is a moral man, a good husband and father, and that his administration hasn't had ANY scandals to even speak of. He is a good president and I feel reassured with him in office, unlike I felt when W was in there.

But I've been blocked from the Obama room.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE MY POST HERE AND IN GENERAL DISCUSSION. HERE IT IS:

When the general election begins after the primaries are over, the three most powerful voices on the side of sanity will be Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who I believe will all campaign tirelessly for Clinton.

So....gosh. That was horrible, awful, terrible wasn't it???

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