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CitizenZero

CitizenZero's Journal
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December 27, 2023

Trump's Fascist Plans

Trump will implement the fascist Project 2025 plan if he is elected again. He would suspend the Constitution and end Democracy. He will put people into detention camps, send the military to crack down on protestors, and use the Justice Department to arrest his political opponents and members of the media. This would be a full on fascist mobilization.

If Trump is elected, it may mean the end of our democracy, our constitutional rights and freedoms. We may end up in a fascist police state where the military mobilizes to suppress the public and people are rounded up and put into detention camps. This is real.

MAGA is the Nazism of the 21st Century and must be stopped at all costs. The talking heads in the news media do not seem to grasp how real this danger is. It is not just words and sound bites. There will be real fascist action and mobilization should Trump get back into office.

We are basically living in the 1930s before Hitler took over and gained power. Trump is a modern day fascist and he will be surrounded by fascists like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller should he be elected again. We must stop them before they get back into power.

December 26, 2023

Under The Milky Way

A favorite song from back in the day. "Under the Milky Way" by the Church.

December 26, 2023

Donald Trump Versus Nikki Haley

Link to an article from The Hill about how Nikki Haley is closing in on Trump in the New Hampshire Primary.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4373785-trump-rails-after-poll-shows-haley-within-four-points-in-new-hampshire/

Haley is a right winger but Trump is an actual fascist who wants to be a dictator. A Haley presidency would be bad for democratic causes but it would be much safer than a second Trump term. Haley may be a conservative, but at least she doesn't want to set the Constitution on fire and burn down Democracy like Trump and his MAGA fascists want to. So I would feel a lot better if Haley were nominated instead of Trump. Then we would have a fair fight between Biden and Haley. Trump is like poison to Democracy. MAGA is a threat to Democracy. So I would much rather see Haley nominated than Trump. What do you think?

December 13, 2023

Democracy Versus Dictatorship

Ukraine is a Democracy being attacked from the outside by the Russian Dictator Putin. America is a Democracy being attacked from within by MAGA Trump Fascists and the wannabe Dictator Trump. This is a battle between Democracy and Fascist Dictatorship, both at home and abroad. A threat to democracy anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere. This is why we must support Ukraine and also oppose MAGA and Trump here in America.

This is also why so many Republicans do not care about Ukraine- these MAGA Republicans want dictatorship, not democracy. They do not want democracy here, and they do not care about democracy in Ukraine and elsewhere in the world. MAGAs love dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un of North Korea, and Xi of China.

If we are to continue to have a free country with a functioning democracy here in America, we must defeat Trump and his fascist MAGA allies. And we must defend democracy at home and abroad, in places like Ukraine, South Korea, and Taiwan. This is a global battle between Democracy and Dictatorship.

December 13, 2023

Democracy And The Need To Support Ukraine.

Ukraine is a Democracy and is threatened by the Putin Russian Dictatorship. We face a possible MAGA dictatorship at home. We must fight against Dictatorship at home and abroad. Anyone that supports democracy must support our democratic ally Ukraine. A threat to Democracy anywhere is a threat to Democracy everywhere. We must defeat anti--democracy foes like the dictator Putin and MAGA Trump Fascism both at home and abroad. The battle lines are clear- those who support and love Democracy, like the Ukrainians and all real Americans-versus the fascist authoritarians like Putin and wannabe MAGA fascist dictator Trump. This is a Global fight for Democracy and against authoritarianism and fascist dictatorship, both at home and abroad. Long Live Ukraine and Long Live American Democracy!

December 12, 2023

MAGA Is Fascism

MAGA is Fascism or American Nazism. It is way past time that we call it that. It is our hope and intent that Biden beats Trump in the next election. But we must prepare for a possible loss to Trump. If Trump wins, he will install MAGA Fascists at the top of the Federal Government (Department of Justice, Homeland Security, etc.) and the US Military. We must be organized and ready.

We must prepare now for the probable MAGA Fascist takeover. We need to identify those in the government who would oppose a Trump Regime- including Justice Department and the US Military members. We must set up a chain of command that will not execute unlawful and unconstitutional orders. Such as deploying the US Military in any illegal domestic operation, to round up immigrants or to use military to enter major US Cities and control them in the name of suppressing crime. We need to oppose any attempt by a corrupted Justice Department to arrest journalists or political dissenters (which is another classic fascist move).

We need leaders like General Milley and others that will stop an illegal takeover of the Military and to have a legitimate chain of command outside of Trump's control. We must have a clear chain of command of Officers and Soldiers that are sworn and loyal to the Constitution, and not loyal to the MAGA Dictator Trump.

We need to have this in place before the next election. If Trump wins, we must have a counter operation to his fascist subversion of the Military and the Federal Government. We must have a counter-fascist organization ready on Day One. We can not just hope that Biden will win. We must prepare for a possible loss. Or in the event of another Coup attempt by Trump and MAGA should they lose the next election like the last one.

December 11, 2023

Possible Civil War

It is possible that Trump could be re-elected and that he and his Fascist MAGA Cronies will attempt to suspend or defy the Constitution and use the Military, the Police, and the Government (such as the Justice Department) to round up, arrest, and even execute immigrants or even citizens. This could mean a Civil War between the MAGA Fascists and those loyal to our Democracy and Constitution (Us).

If they could violate or suspend the Constitution and try to use the Military and Police to illegally round up and arrest people, they would do this. There are people in Trump's orbit that would in fact do this, like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Bannon calls this a War, so we should take him at his word on this. If he wants a War, it will be a War. A war of pro-Trump MAGA Fascists versus anti-Trump pro-Democracy, pro-America Constitutional Loyalists (real Americans not Fascists like Trump, Bannon, and Miller).. Basically those that will fight to protect the Constitution and our Democracy (us) and those that are opposed to our Constitution and Democracy (pro-Trump MAGA Fascists).

One way to stop Trump is for the Courts and the Congress to not allow illegal activities on the part of a new Trump Regime. We might not be able to do it peacefully. There might need to be armed, active resistance on the part of Police, Army, and the Civilian population. If Trump gets re-elected and then illegally orders the Military to act domestically (it is currently illegal to do so) then we need to have Police and Military that are loyal to the Constitution and not not Trump to oppose and stop it.

We may be on the verge of a Civil War. If so, we should plan to win it. Pro-Trump and anti-Trump Loyalists in the Military and Police may clash. We need to make sure that the mass of Military and Police do not or will not execute illegal and unconstitutional orders from a Trump Regime. I specifically call it a Regime and not an Administration because if Trump and his people suspend the Constitution that would be an illegal act and therefore his Administration would be illegal. So it would be an illegal Regime, not a legal Administration.

If Trump and his Fascist cronies like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon get in power and try to order the Military to invade US Cities and detain, arrest, or even execute people that resist, the Congress could oppose this as illegal and unconstitutional (but might not if the MAGA Republicans have control over the House and/or the Senate). If Congress can not do this, then hopefully the Courts will rule that these acts are illegal and unconstitutional. Opposition from the Congress and/or the Courts could provide a legal basis for resistance. Military and Police could oppose any illegal actions from Trump, especially if directed to do so by the Congress and/or the Courts.

I can imagine a scenario where some Military and some Police could follow Trump's illegal orders, whereas some Military and Police might not. They might clash. We need to establish right now who is loyal to America and the Constitution and who is a threat to the Constitution and to our Democracy like the MAGA Trump Fascists. Hopefully we can get most soldiers and officers on our side and minimize the numbers that are traitors that would support Trump over the Constitution and the Country. We need constitutional loyalists inside and outside of the Military and the Government who will resist an illegal Trump Regime and their illegal unconstitutional actions..

We also need leaders like General Milley on the outside of the Military who can defend our Democracy. As Civilians, we may have a legal right to join in Militias, maybe led by loyal soldiers like Milley, Malcolm Nance, and other patriots like them. It is my hope that Biden can beat Trump at the ballot box and this scenario does not come into play. And even if Trump is re-elected, it is my hope that we can have a peaceful resolution to this problem. But we must prepare to oppose Fascism and save our Democracy , if we have to. We defeated Hitler, we defeated Mussolini, we can and will defeat Trump and his MAGA Fascists, if necessary. I just hope that it is not necessary. But we must prepare now to defend our lives, our Constitution, and our Democracy.

December 11, 2023

MAGA Is Fascism

MAGA is Fascism or American Nazism. It is way past time that we call it that. It is our hope and intent that Biden beats Trump in the next election. But we must prepare for a possible loss to Trump. If Trump wins, he will install MAGA Fascists at the top of the Federal Government (Department of Justice, Homeland Security, etc.) and the US Military. We must be organized and ready.

We must prepare now for the probable MAGA Fascist takeover. We need to identify those in the government who would oppose a Trump Regime- including Justice Department and the US Military members. We must set up a chain of command that will not execute unlawful and unconstitutional orders. Such as deploying the US Military in any illegal domestic operation, to round up immigrants or to use military to enter major US Cities and control them in the name of suppressing crime. We need to oppose any attempt by a corrupted Justice Department to arrest journalists or political dissenters (which is another classic fascist move).

We need leaders like General Milley and others that will stop an illegal takeover of the Military and to have a legitimate chain of command outside of Trump's control. We must have a clear chain of command of Officers and Soldiers that are sworn and loyal to the Constitution, and not loyal to the MAGA Dictator Trump.

We need to have this in place before the next election. If Trump wins, we must have a counter operation to his fascist subversion of the Military and the Federal Government. We must have a counter-fascist organization ready on Day One. We can not just hope that Biden will win. We must prepare for a possible loss. Or in the event of another Coup attempt by Trump and MAGA should they lose the next election like the last one.

December 10, 2023

MAGA Is Fascism

MAGA is Fascism or American Nazism. It is way past time that we call it that. It is our hope and intent that Biden beats Trump in the next election. But we must prepare for a possible loss to Trump. If Trump wins, he will install MAGA Fascists at the top of the Federal Government (Department of Justice, Homeland Security, etc.) and the US Military. We must be organized and ready.

We must prepare now for the probable MAGA Fascist takeover. We need to identify those in the government who would oppose a Trump Regime- including Justice Department and the US Military members. We must set up a chain of command that will not execute unlawful and unconstitutional orders. Such as deploying the US Military in any illegal domestic operation, to round up immigrants or to use military to enter major US Cities and control them in the name of suppressing crime. We need to oppose any attempt by a corrupted Justice Department to arrest journalists or political dissenters (which is another classic fascist move).

We need leaders like General Milley and others that will stop an illegal takeover of the Military and to have a legitimate chain of command outside of Trump's control. We must have a clear chain of command of Officers and Soldiers that are sworn and loyal to the Constitution, and not loyal to the MAGA Dictator Trump.

We need to have this in place before the next election. If Trump wins, we must have a counter operation to his fascist subversion of the Military and the Federal Government. We must have a counter-fascist organization ready on Day One. We can not just hope that Biden will win. We must prepare for a possible loss. Or in the event of another Coup attempt by Trump and MAGA should they lose the next election like the last one.

December 9, 2023

Trump Fascist Regime

I hope that Biden beats Trump, but we also have to have a plan for if Trump is re-elected. If Trump is re-elected, he and his lackeys will try to set up an anti-democratic Fascist Regime. They have made this an open secret. Trump and his people have already said that they will use the Insurrection Act on Day One to suppress any demonstrations with the military. So no Freedom of Assembly, destruction of Constitutional Rights.

He has also said that he will round up illegal immigrants into camps for deportation. If Trump and his Fascist Regime starts to use the Military to round up illegal immigrants into camps by the millions, they will not stop there. They may use that as a trial run for rounding up anyone that is not a White Christian Nationalist like Trump and his Followers.

Trump will also try to use the Justice Department to indict his enemies and to suppress the Media, whom he has called "the Enemy of the People". I can imagine that the corrupted Trump Department of Justice would arrest Journalists on trumped up treason charges. Likewise the Trump Regime might arrest political opponents, anyone that is not a MAGA Fascist Republican.

So if Trump rounds up millions of immigrants into camps, that will be the beginning of his Fascist Regime, not the end of it. Trump has already said that he will go into cities like Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia to suppress crime. This is just a cover for the possible use of military to enter into democratic strongholds and exert illegal fascist authority.

The question is, if Trump is re-elected, how do we oppose a full blown MAGA Fascist Regime? One key way is through the Governors of States like New York, California, and Michigan. These Democratic Governors have control over their States in a legal and military sense. The numbers of National Guard that each Governor commands is small compared to the US Army and other services that Trump would be Commander in Chief of. Still, each Governor does have control over a certain number of National Guard that they could use to oppose an illegal incursion of Federal Military into their States.

Another aspect of this problem is control over the Military and Federal Agencies like the Justice Department. If Trump is re-elected, he will place Fascist Trump loyalists in command of the Military and these Agencies. One way to oppose Trump's Fascist Regime is for rank and file members of the Military to oppose an illegal order. Another way is to identify leaders, officers, and generals that would oppose any illegal orders given by Trump.

If Trump orders US Military to start rounding people up, we need to have a command structure in the Military that would oppose such orders as unconstitutional and illegal. If Trump did make these sorts of illegal orders, I imagine that some soldiers will follow those orders, whereas some will not. We might have a division in the military between Trump Fascists and those that are loyal to the Country and the Constitution (Constitutionalists). We may have a Civil War between Fascists and those loyal to America and the Constitution.

Soldiers take an oath to uphold the Constitution and are trained to not follow illegal orders. We need to set up a counter chain of command led by American soldiers and officers that are loyal to the Constitution and the Country, not to Trump. We need officers like General Milley to be ready to step in and oppose any illegal action that Trump might order the Military to perform.

Another aspect of the counter fascist plan as mentioned before is to have loyal Governors of each State oppose Trump's authority to act in those States. If Trump orders troops into California or Michigan or New York, the Governors in those States could use State National Guard to oppose any such incursion. In addition to this, we need Constitutionalists in the regular military to oppose any illegal orders from Trump as mentioned before. We need to get General Milley and other senior Officers who are anti-Trump ready to oppose Trump's illegal use of the US Military before Trump even takes office. We can not allow Trump to use the Insurrection Act to make a fascist take over of the US Military and install an authoritarian Police State backed by the Military.

If this seems extreme or unlikely, I would remind you that Hitler was mocked and underestimated in Germany before he took over the apparatus of the Government and established the totalitarian Nazi Regime. We must not underestimate Trump and the organized Fascists that are around him. They are using Trump to set up a MAGA Fascist Regime. We must hope that Biden wins the election, but we must have a plan in place should Trump regain power.

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