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calimary

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80. Welcome to DU, PragmaticDem.
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:20 PM
Dec 2017

Indeed she would have.

I still ache when I think back to the text I sent to my daughter the night before the election - when we both, like so many others, expected her to win. I talked about how much I looked forward to making a statement to the whole world, as well as to women around the world. How much I looked forward to the most powerful person on earth being a WOMAN. Especially one of her caliber. How long I've been waiting for a moment like this, just in general, and then since 1992 when I first discovered her during her husband's first presidential campaign, and how impressed I was.

I've written about that before, here. I was enthralled. Mesmerized! The more I learned about her, the more I came to love and admire her. I came to the realization that, in many respects, she was ME! How so? Well, this was the first First Lady aspirant who was even close to my age. She's just a few years older than I am. First time there was a potential presidential wife to whom I could relate. All the others up til then were of my mother's generation, or old enough to be my grandmother. THIS candidate's wife I could actually relate to. Personally. She was a lot like me. Working wife. Working mother. Brought home a bigger paycheck than her husband did. Loved and found great fulfillment in her job. Didn't define herself solely as a 'housewife" or "wife-and-mother". She had her own ideas and wasn't afraid to speak her mind (which was considerable). She had more to contribute, and DID. Just as I felt about myself. I didn't get around to trying to start a family til after we'd been married for 13 years. My career was that important to me. When I heard that soundbite "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies..." that almost literally shot through me like a lightning bolt had just struck me. It was literally electrifying!

Don't get me wrong. I, too, am a wife-and-mother. I eventually got there myself. And I worked hard at it. Even gave up my career so I could do right by my kids. But there was, and still is, so much more to me than just exclusively that. And I made sure they saw that side of me, too, even in later part-time work situations. I'd seen and known enough to understand that sometimes the "wife and mother" label didn't apply so loftily. I knew a lot of "wife-and-mother" types who were abysmal at it.

My most glaring example was - a good friend whose mother had her fifth child (an "oopsie" after she thought she was too old) who totally abandoned her responsibilities to that fifth child. Couldn't wait to grab the car keys and split for the day, go on long driving trips to do "antiquing" or "junking" or scrounging every garage sale in town or gossiping with her friends most of the day. MY friend? That fifth child got pawned off on her. My friend was my age, and we were both in high school. Just old enough to have recently earned our driver's licenses. And it was my friend, the eldest child, who got up, fixed breakfast for her younger siblings, helped the youngest get cleaned up and dressed (in clean clothes for which my friend had the laundry duty), and later, driving her little sister everywhere, taking her shopping, helping her with her homework, doing all those things Mom should have done. And I kept wondering about my friend - why she was being denied her own teenager years to be a student and start dating and - well - HAVE THAT TIME. That time which was supposed to be pretty carefree when you're that age and you DON'T yet have all those wife-and-mother responsibilities. Meanwhile, her absentee mom was busy goofing off with the other wives and garage-sale fans and fellow chain-smokers of hers. I really felt bad for my friend. She never complained, but I burned! I hated seeing that. She may not have shown resentment toward her mom, but it didn't matter - I felt enough resentment for both of us.

poor things. JHan Dec 2017 #1
The JPR site is full of fake news from russian sources Gothmog Dec 2017 #2
Seems they're addicted to that shit dalton99a Dec 2017 #3
At one point the JPR site had five or six threads on the Pizzagate silliness Gothmog Dec 2017 #26
There isn't an anti-Clinton conspiracy theory they don't like NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #180
My first time reading JPR, all I can say is that it will also be my last time. FM123 Dec 2017 #12
I visit the site to see what Russia is pushing Gothmog Dec 2017 #24
Its on Prop Or Nots useful idiot list. lapucelle Dec 2017 #47
That site belongs on this list Gothmog Dec 2017 #73
LOL SunSeeker Dec 2017 #48
There were some posters there during the election that I am almost sure were Russian. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #20
There are posters on that site who are admitted russian trolls Gothmog Dec 2017 #25
Who are they? Jim Lane Dec 2017 #106
This list of fake news websites amuses me Gothmog Dec 2017 #113
So, in other words, you have zero evidence for your original assertion in #25. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #124
Do you really believe that? Gothmog Dec 2017 #126
JPR has a lawyer defending their honor for free! betsuni Dec 2017 #129
If your statement is true then JUST GIVE ME ONE GODDAM LINK Jim Lane Dec 2017 #130
Your passionate and determined defense is noted for the site that bought and spread the pizzagate Squinch Dec 2017 #142
There were five or six threads on this theory on that site Gothmog Dec 2017 #154
IIRC some of them have made similar comments about my posting on DU. (n/t) Jim Lane Dec 2017 #168
That's REALLY bizarre! They commented to you about how DU posts pushed the pizzagate Squinch Dec 2017 #175
The JPR idiots pushed a number of russian lies Gothmog Dec 2017 #200
"intellectual integrity" betsuni Dec 2017 #147
I am also amused Gothmog Dec 2017 #155
Here are just a few examples Gothmog Dec 2017 #150
Disgusting. Creepy. Sickening. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #160
And that doesnt include the misogyny. Their response to this stevenleser Dec 2017 #171
Yep Gothmog Dec 2017 #183
Jim - You are trying to stick up for a site that pushed Pizzagate as Truth stevenleser Dec 2017 #169
Just what is it you think I'm sticking up for -- SPECIFICALLY? Jim Lane Dec 2017 #211
Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Dec 2017 #212
You say my claims are fake. Please QUOTE the fake claim(s) I allegedly made. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #213
Can you point to even one of your posts on this thread that is not false? Gothmog Dec 2017 #214
I quite enjoyed Fawk Em's "I'm not a Russian troll" post. Heh. betsuni Dec 2017 #215
Jim will ignore this fact Gothmog Dec 2017 #217
TOTAL reading comprehension fail Jim Lane Dec 2017 #216
Thank you for admitting and conceding that JPR is the site for Russian Trolls Gothmog Dec 2017 #219
I of course said nothing of the kind... Jim Lane Dec 2017 #221
Why are you defending Russian Trolls and people who hate Congressman John Lewis? Gothmog Dec 2017 #222
I'm still stuck on their absolute hatred of Hillary. calimary Dec 2017 #230
Putin hates Clinton and so Putin's puppets on JPR hate Clinton Gothmog Dec 2017 #238
Good point. They do follow orders well, though, don't they! calimary Dec 2017 #244
You are using the same technique Gun enthusiasts use to derail gun control discussions. stevenleser Dec 2017 #240
Thank you for recognizing that I didn't respond to the OP. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #241
JPR is on Prop Or Not's useful idiot list. N/T lapucelle Dec 2017 #185
Jim your defense of this website is sad Gothmog Dec 2017 #197
Hi Jim. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #114
I am a lawyer, correct. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #116
see post 113 sheshe2 Dec 2017 #123
See post 124 (n/t) Jim Lane Dec 2017 #125
Here is another good example Gothmog Dec 2017 #153
Clarity of Signal used to post on JPR and now Fawk em is clearly a russian troll Gothmog Dec 2017 #152
"Does anyone know Gothmog on DU's real name? I plan to sue him for libel if I can find out" progree Jan 2018 #245
How can it be libel when he goes by a screen name? tammywammy Jan 2018 #246
Good questions Gothmog Jan 2018 #250
Thanks for posting this Gothmog Jan 2018 #247
You're welcome. I thought you should know what's going on in JeeperCreeperLand n/t progree Jan 2018 #248
I check that site from time to time to see what Putin is pushing Gothmog Jan 2018 #249
I check it because I am fascinated by aberrant psychology and specious rationalizations progree Jan 2018 #251
The idiots who posts on JPR are fun to laugh at Gothmog Jan 2018 #252
"Trump Isnt Another Hitler. Hes Another Obama." progree Jan 2018 #253
Here are some examples Gothmog Dec 2017 #151
You know what the bottom line on JPR folks is Jim? Its simple... stevenleser Dec 2017 #189
What is "expertise in detecting trolls?" Cary Dec 2017 #223
Sigh. Another one who can't -- or won't -- read. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #224
Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Dec 2017 #225
Notice how you change the subject to something about me? Cary Dec 2017 #226
It is not hard to notice Gothmog Dec 2017 #237
Citing the exception to the rule against hearsay should have been a clue Cary Dec 2017 #239
A couple were absolutely Russian, I know for a fact Bradical79 Dec 2017 #86
And to think so many of those whackos used to be here, trying to infect DU. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #43
Yep, the split was good IMO! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #53
Some seem to have crept back Hekate Dec 2017 #54
Some still come here radical noodle Dec 2017 #55
Many of the JPR are Trumpsters still trolling a bunch of very naive far lefties....n/m RhodeIslandOne Dec 2017 #111
I agree. saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #181
K&R mcar Dec 2017 #4
Russian interference aside, she was a bad candidate leftstreet Dec 2017 #5
Some people can't pass up any chance to attack TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #11
I'm not attacking her leftstreet Dec 2017 #77
"She wasn't a candidate who could beat Trump." LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #87
What did Sec Clinton do to counteract the Wisconsin and Michigan issues? MadDAsHell Dec 2017 #158
That has been debunked multiple times. stevenleser Dec 2017 #199
Bless your heart for trying to convince them, for the thousandth time...Cant be done Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #242
She was not a bad candidate Lithos Dec 2017 #88
Hi Lithos. It's good to see you posting here in these dark times. yardwork Dec 2017 #204
Thanks Lithos Dec 2017 #208
63 million votes is pretty good KatyMan Dec 2017 #14
actually, 65.9 million. niyad Dec 2017 #38
Too bad they changed the rules to make it an Electoral College that picks the Pres. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #82
Your logic is crap. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2017 #15
+1 KTM Dec 2017 #17
Clinton was a great candidate Takket Dec 2017 #18
Not just deplorables, apparently. Squinch Dec 2017 #81
I agree that Clinton was a great candidate but I would argue that the FBI did even more damage StevieM Dec 2017 #229
So Russia didn't interfere? Cause you wouldn't be saying this if she won you know that right? uponit7771 Dec 2017 #19
I'm confused by this for two reasons: Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #83
1. Implications they didn't interfere are implied by exclusion of mention 2. In that case there's uponit7771 Dec 2017 #95
She was a great candidate. nt Maven Dec 2017 #22
Disagree. She was not a bad candidate. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #23
She didn't take the midwest for granted. StevieM Dec 2017 #231
I don't even think that the states "moved" in any certain direction Caliman73 Dec 2017 #235
Oh please. Codeine Dec 2017 #27
It should never have been close-I have to agree with you on this one. jalan48 Dec 2017 #30
It was not "close." It took the Electoral College, Russia, hacking, collusion, voter suppression... Hekate Dec 2017 #51
And misogyny and Comeys actions nt spooky3 Dec 2017 #72
It didn't "take" the Electoral College. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #84
Apparently 228 years qualifies as "um, forever". lapucelle Dec 2017 #96
cause you don't want to recognize Russian involvement and Comey, be honest about that uponit7771 Dec 2017 #92
Sandy Hook Shooting should never have resulted in Inaction while kicking out Dreamers JI7 Dec 2017 #134
Wall Street rules and big money decides elections. Meanwhile the little folks are left out. jalan48 Dec 2017 #145
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #32
What war-mongering? Can you provide, you know, facts? Hekate Dec 2017 #46
Amazing isn't it? SunSeeker Dec 2017 #57
Just before the election I had lunch with a longtime friend who insisted HRC was a warmonger... Hekate Dec 2017 #63
Yup. The Hillary haters were--and are--totally played by the right wing. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #66
Libya shanny Dec 2017 #140
Libya what? betsuni Dec 2017 #146
Put it in context with the post I responded to. shanny Dec 2017 #157
You mean the UN authorized action in Libya that the international stevenleser Dec 2017 #173
Well spotted Hekate Dec 2017 #178
Why yes, I do mean BS regime change operations, sanctioned by the UN or not. shanny Dec 2017 #191
Blaming Hillary for Lebanese sponsored UN resolutions is insane stevenleser Dec 2017 #192
You mean in the context that you think Hillary Clinton is a warmonger 'cause OMG BENGHAZI? betsuni Dec 2017 #210
Come on. Just say it. Benghazi. We all know you want to. GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #164
Right? Benghazi and Pizza Gate. You know they believe both stevenleser Dec 2017 #174
Also well spotted Hekate Dec 2017 #179
Cool Story, Bro . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #35
really? bad candidate? based on WHAT, exactly? 30 years of reichwing propaganda, niyad Dec 2017 #39
You're not wrong leftstreet Dec 2017 #75
The DNC? WTF does the DNC have to do with it? Was the DNC supposed to tell her not to run? seaglass Dec 2017 #97
You're right, sorry leftstreet Dec 2017 #103
Strange, since she WON by THREE MILLION VOTES OVER TRUMP. In any sane country... Hekate Dec 2017 #44
tRump didn't "win" Scarsdale Dec 2017 #45
She wasn't a bad candidate. Officially, she only lost by 70K votes in 3 states, and she carried the pnwmom Dec 2017 #49
I have a couple problems. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #85
I meant "real voters" as opposed to E.C. electors. Are you saying that the almost 3 million voters pnwmom Dec 2017 #94
She didn't go to Wisconsin for the same reason she didn't campaign in Minnesota. StevieM Dec 2017 #228
So when Feingold told the campaign that things were going bad and she needed to show up Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #232
You can argue that she mishandled the Comey intervention. StevieM Dec 2017 #233
WRONG. She was a terrific candidate. calimary Dec 2017 #59
Thank you for that, Calimary. It means a lot in this moment of darkness. nt Hekate Dec 2017 #64
She may not have been the best candidate, but she was the most qualified. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #61
I agree leftstreet Dec 2017 #74
True. She clearly was prepared for the job. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #90
Welcome to DU, PragmaticDem. calimary Dec 2017 #80
Thank you for the welcome! PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #89
oh look, another person easily swayed by propaganda Skittles Dec 2017 #69
She was not a bad candidate. murielm99 Dec 2017 #71
How is it bashing to say someone is a bad candidate? David__77 Dec 2017 #109
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #117
I think its criticism. David__77 Dec 2017 #118
Goodbye. murielm99 Dec 2017 #120
Goodbye. David__77 Dec 2017 #128
You contradict yourself. Fla Dem Dec 2017 #78
No, "politics" contradicts itself leftstreet Dec 2017 #79
LOL -repeating a meme over and over again till you actually believe it. They got you shilling. bettyellen Dec 2017 #162
I notice many ppr'd DUers over there tenderfoot Dec 2017 #6
Some of them have tried to slink back in here since the election. nt Maven Dec 2017 #9
Membership at JPR should automatically Codeine Dec 2017 #29
+1000 Hekate Dec 2017 #65
+1 SunSeeker Dec 2017 #67
+1... SidDithers Dec 2017 #98
+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #105
+1 Maven Dec 2017 #119
+1 revmclaren Dec 2017 #127
the owners of this site also own a hate site Mosby Dec 2017 #172
No they dont, Discussionist isnt a hate site. It is overrun with hateful people but that isnt the stevenleser Dec 2017 #187
+1000 stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #37
Yes. They have denied the RU attack because it undermines their narrative Maven Dec 2017 #7
Our own FBI, led by James Comey, launched a much bigger attack on the election and our democracy. StevieM Dec 2017 #16
Yes, Comey and the NY FBI field office also had a disastrous impact. nt Maven Dec 2017 #21
Because he was subjected to fake reports circulated by the same people. Since it was a multi- bettyellen Dec 2017 #163
They are a broken record SHRED Dec 2017 #8
I went over there out of curiosity and was appalled. MiltonBrown Dec 2017 #10
Not only that but their ignorance of our modern economy is shameful. LonePirate Dec 2017 #234
Oh Dear, Oh Dear Me. Dec 2017 #13
It's more complicated than that, but still I don't know for certain that HRC would have won... aikoaiko Dec 2017 #28
I honestly can't read anything from over there...if I can't troll the insanity then I see no point Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #31
There are numerous reasons. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #33
Be careful there ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #41
And we must motivate voters as well. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #101
!!?!? Democrats like Hillary, Republicans didn't like Roy Moore uponit7771 Dec 2017 #100
But they voted for him, just not in large enough numbers. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #102
Extremely poor comparison for obvious reasons. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #137
Your framing, and your opinion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #161
JackpineRadical, in his own words ... GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #34
Thanks..been a while since I read that. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #42
He was a good guy. The people who stole his name to set up that site have nothing to do with him. n/ pnwmom Dec 2017 #52
An obit still available for those curious: dalton99a Dec 2017 #115
I remember Jackpine Bobbie Jo Dec 2017 #149
Why I don't post there anymore. Its a streetfight. marble falls Dec 2017 #36
they just don't give up, do they? niyad Dec 2017 #40
They are entitled to their opinions and this is NOT saying that there was NO Russian interference karynnj Dec 2017 #50
The leaked emails present a complicated case. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #139
Why are you still going over there, Steve? MineralMan Dec 2017 #56
Because we should never forget who and what they are. And if there arent regular stevenleser Dec 2017 #112
That's not why you do it melman Dec 2017 #132
Are you wearing a sparkly turban with a feather and holding an envelope to your forehead? Squinch Dec 2017 #143
I think you are doing a disservice to the great Carnac with that comparison stevenleser Dec 2017 #186
Melmack the magnificent. Squinch Dec 2017 #188
! stevenleser Dec 2017 #190
It's why I do it. betsuni Dec 2017 #148
There is nothing so discrediting as someone trying to tell someone else stevenleser Dec 2017 #167
I'm not doing that melman Dec 2017 #195
Yes you were, your attempt to explain why you were trying to tell me what I am thinking stevenleser Dec 2017 #196
I used to visit that site when DU was down post-election... mreilly Dec 2017 #177
There are all assholes ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #58
I wonder if that board makes any money off of ads, which I assume is how DU Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #60
JPR doesn't run paid ads. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #108
Dumb Is Bipartisan! (nt) ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #62
they know DAMN WELL Putin owns Trump Skittles Dec 2017 #68
heavy Russian infiltration there orangecrush Dec 2017 #70
Probably most of them are paid by Putin Progressive dog Dec 2017 #76
From what that site was SHRED Dec 2017 #91
i guess they forgot that SHE WON 3 mil more votes than he did. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #93
They're assholes and that site is a shithole... mreilly Dec 2017 #99
They love Trump and Putin workinclasszero Dec 2017 #104
Is that the crypto MRA site ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #107
lol@Hillary Derangement Syndrome.. Cha Dec 2017 #110
They got what they wanted mcar Dec 2017 #122
The brainwashing is too Cha Dec 2017 #182
They wouldn't know what to do without hatred mcar Dec 2017 #184
jPR: Russia good, America bad, Hillary Clinton (oops, I mean HER) BADBADBADBADBADBAD betsuni Dec 2017 #121
JPR seems to be a fake Democratic Party support site set up to bash Clinton UCmeNdc Dec 2017 #131
WOW, they sure went after you Raine Dec 2017 #133
Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders (pretty much anybody else) can appear as a guest on Fox News ... betsuni Dec 2017 #136
Are any of those people paid to appear as guests? shanny Dec 2017 #159
Guest means you are not paid. CNN, FNC, MSNBC and other networks are stevenleser Dec 2017 #165
I know its Hilarious, and they are too stupid to get it. stevenleser Dec 2017 #170
It doesn't make anyone stupid melman Dec 2017 #193
And you are still doing it! stevenleser Dec 2017 #194
I would hope not. I am suspicious of anyone they like. The other thing stevenleser Dec 2017 #166
LOL, consider it an honor to be on their "S" List Raine Dec 2017 #198
Numerous members there discussed how joyful is would be... NCTraveler Dec 2017 #135
I like the ones who are "beginning to think" Trump might be really bad. Squinch Dec 2017 #201
Who are "JPR folks" shanny Dec 2017 #138
Glad they've left DU PJMcK Dec 2017 #141
LOL! Look at that JPR post! It's hilarious! It's like the refrigerator magnet game with all Squinch Dec 2017 #144
They dont get how stupid they look. stevenleser Dec 2017 #176
they are heaven05 Dec 2017 #156
To this rather dense democrat GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #202
I only see two posters in the 200 defending the shitty racist misogynists, though. Squinch Dec 2017 #203
Because they, for the most part are not totally stupid GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #206
Yep, which is why a light has to be shined on them regularly stevenleser Dec 2017 #209
Hillary does not matter in this quaker bill Dec 2017 #205
I did like how Stein's first order of business was going on Fox News to gloat and piss on Hillary Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #207
Have they taken the country back yet? Scurrilous Dec 2017 #218
No Gothmog Dec 2017 #220
Surprise! duforsure Dec 2017 #227
so many of them were bern bros who left DU after Hillary received the nomination dlwickham Dec 2017 #236
I agree they have Democratic Party Derangement Syndrome LeftInTX Dec 2017 #243
jpr manny sh** stain lol XRubicon Jan 2018 #254
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