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Sophia4

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43. True, but we should focus on the tax bill changes too, but not to the

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 07:10 PM

Dec 2017

exclusion of other issues that affect working class people.

The tax bill is just the first step in the Republican plundering of our country on behalf of wealthy investors many of whom do not even live on our economy, not really.

They will go after food stamps, Social Security and Medicare next. And that is when we can appeal to Republican voters in red states.

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Democrats should say they'll restore the full State Income & Property deduction for wage earners [View all] CreekDog Dec 2017 OP

maybe they should say something people will understand. what is a SALT? nt msongs Dec 2017 #1

I edited and spelled out the acronym CreekDog Dec 2017 #3

appreciated, thanx nt msongs Dec 2017 #12

At best, some dopers may think it is Strategic Arms Limitation Talks pangaia Dec 2017 #53

DEMs only need to say that when we take the House in 2018, we will repeal the Trump Tax Act. NCjack Dec 2017 #81

Fabulous post DonaldsRump Dec 2017 #2

this is not about that, it's about not raising the taxes of working people CreekDog Dec 2017 #4

The OPPOSITE is true. The blue, highly urban states pay more TO the federal government pnwmom Dec 2017 #6

The problem is that the cost of living in states with large urban centers is much Sophia4 Dec 2017 #8

There are other large urban centers, and they are not on the E and W coast. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #15

Not like the urban centers of Los Angeles, San Francisco stretching Sophia4 Dec 2017 #28

Each and every urban center is different. There are many more populous than SF. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #29

I did not mean to suggest that San Francisco is the most populous. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #40

Well, since the red states are utterly dependent on federal aid paid mostly by blue state taxpayers- dawg day Dec 2017 #50

It also affects all the cities the homes were purchased in, because if property values pnwmom Dec 2017 #5

Republicans voted to raise taxes that Democrats intend to lower. Deb Dec 2017 #7

democrats should say what the tax scam is, a give away to the rich paid for by taxing middleclass beachbum bob Dec 2017 #9

Giveaway to the rich and running up the deficit should be how we approach it. Blue_true Dec 2017 #24

To say nothing of good schools for your children (and yourself), cultural Sophia4 Dec 2017 #32

I don't think that'll help much. The most hurt are the east & west coast blue states. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #10

there are tons of folks in red and blue states who have lost a substantial deduction CreekDog Dec 2017 #14

And ALL of those states should have their GOP representatives voted out, pnwmom Dec 2017 #93

This promise will be spun as a giveaway to rich blue liberal elites Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #11

Yep DonaldsRump Dec 2017 #13

The death tax. Blue_true Dec 2017 #18

Check out housing prices in large, urban areas on Zillow or some other Sophia4 Dec 2017 #34

I get all that- Im talking about how it will be spun everywhere else Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #62

I go to parties here, and Californians are joking about"what if California left Sophia4 Dec 2017 #71

The point is that the blue states are already going to vote Democratic. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #16

The only state that applies to is Texas. Blue_true Dec 2017 #19

Lots of $200k-$300k houses in Jacksonville, an urban center. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #46

In 2008, something like everyone but one major city voted for President Obama. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #47

Yes. That's what happens when you target ALL big cities, not just blue ones. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #66

I come from the camp that think that Trumpism will rest on the ash heap of history. Blue_true Dec 2017 #70

I know I will. The Trumpers will NEVER admit their mistake. Never. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #89

No but there are red districts in blue states crazycatlady Dec 2017 #20

I see. Dem leaders need to appeal to all America. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #25

I do agree with you crazycatlady Dec 2017 #26

There are still lots of Republicans in California. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #35

The website is a tremendous idea. Blue_true Dec 2017 #48

It's not just the vote for President that is important; it's also Senate and especially House spooky3 Dec 2017 #54

Restore it for primary homes costing less than $500,000. Blue_true Dec 2017 #17

THat is not the case everywhere crazycatlady Dec 2017 #21

How many 1BR condos cost more than $500,000? Blue_true Dec 2017 #23

Location is necessary crazycatlady Dec 2017 #27

You make a point. Blue_true Dec 2017 #37

There are also industries specific to those cities crazycatlady Dec 2017 #39

Lots in the urban areas of New York and Los Angeles. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #42

No. Not in Los Angeles. You can have a modest salary and pay a lot for a home. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #36

Throughout history, unless efforts are made by government, Blue_true Dec 2017 #45

how about this: we don't raise taxes on moderate income people in a tax cut bill CreekDog Dec 2017 #49

The discussion was about housing prices in popular cities. Blue_true Dec 2017 #56

I posted this thread, I know what it's about despite your attempts to change the subject CreekDog Dec 2017 #58

I am not sure what you are talking about. I am not sure that you do. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #69

Won't help much in Red states... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #22

Only wage earners? What about retirees? eleny Dec 2017 #30

Primarily wage earners. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #41

Thanks!!! eleny Dec 2017 #44

Property taxes are State and Local Taxes (SALT) CreekDog Dec 2017 #60

+1 spooky3 Dec 2017 #76

Actually, they are not. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #88

the proponent WAS speaking imprecisely; it's a problem with a LOT of the discussion of the spooky3 Dec 2017 #90

Generally, they are not considered SALT Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #87

not correct spooky3 Dec 2017 #91

Feel free to be inaccurate, if you wish. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #94

are you trying to say Property Taxes arent deductible? CreekDog Dec 2017 #96

you dont understand...just because Ms. Toad posted something completely wrong CreekDog Jan 2018 #97

False, now stop misleading people: CreekDog Dec 2017 #95

You can link a horse to authoritative sources spooky3 Jan 2018 #98

Yes, of course, include retirees, I'd just restore it as it was CreekDog Dec 2017 #59

Especially since we know they plan to go after Medicare eleny Dec 2017 #65

Not just that but.... Takket Dec 2017 #31

I do not think this is something to focus much attention on. David__77 Dec 2017 #33

True, but we should focus on the tax bill changes too, but not to the Sophia4 Dec 2017 #43

I hope some congresspeople or candidates are reading this! unitedwethrive Dec 2017 #38

Hard for many to sympathize with those who have the extra $$$ to pay their taxes a year in advance MichMan Dec 2017 #63

In the districts we are likely to flip, this is an issue. unitedwethrive Dec 2017 #72

2021 Is Earliest This Can Happen SoCalMusicLover Dec 2017 #51

Not just wage earners, but homeowner retirees elfin Dec 2017 #52

SALT doesnt affect the vast majority of people, especially when you take into Hoyt Dec 2017 #55

I don't know why you keep characterizing this as something that only benefits rich people CreekDog Dec 2017 #61

Well, let's see. What are you paying in property taxes? Anything less than $7,400 and you don't Hoyt Dec 2017 #64

i just gave you an example of someone paying 13,000 in property taxes CreekDog Dec 2017 #73

You did add the property taxes. And what you pay with state taxes will still Hoyt Dec 2017 #78

Thats an insane property tax rate Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #74

SALT affects states like NY and CA heavily. New England as well. roamer65 Dec 2017 #75

DC area also spooky3 Dec 2017 #77

Very true. roamer65 Dec 2017 #80

I totally agree with your last paragraph TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #92

I am very grateful that I am relatively poor. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #57

"Repeal and replace the Trump Tax Hike!!!" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #67

Restore the SALT for middle class folks. roamer65 Dec 2017 #68

your idea on kids is foolish, if you want to reduce population growth, increase standard of living CreekDog Dec 2017 #82

Respectfully. We will disagree. roamer65 Dec 2017 #83

just give us the evidence that reducing tax credits for children reduces birthrates CreekDog Dec 2017 #84

Yep, Don't forget SALT used to be Strategic Arms Limitations Treaty. We need some pepper. bitterross Dec 2017 #79

Let's be glad they didn't start taxing appreciation in your house Hoyt Dec 2017 #85

The cap also includes state sales tax deductions for major purchases ecstatic Dec 2017 #86