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spooky3

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77. DC area also

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 03:57 PM

Dec 2017

If you make the median income here (to cover very high COL—you definitely are not living a rich lifestyle) you are paying > $5000 in state income tax alone.

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Democrats should say they'll restore the full State Income & Property deduction for wage earners [View all] CreekDog Dec 2017 OP

maybe they should say something people will understand. what is a SALT? nt msongs Dec 2017 #1

I edited and spelled out the acronym CreekDog Dec 2017 #3

appreciated, thanx nt msongs Dec 2017 #12

At best, some dopers may think it is Strategic Arms Limitation Talks pangaia Dec 2017 #53

DEMs only need to say that when we take the House in 2018, we will repeal the Trump Tax Act. NCjack Dec 2017 #81

Fabulous post DonaldsRump Dec 2017 #2

this is not about that, it's about not raising the taxes of working people CreekDog Dec 2017 #4

The OPPOSITE is true. The blue, highly urban states pay more TO the federal government pnwmom Dec 2017 #6

The problem is that the cost of living in states with large urban centers is much Sophia4 Dec 2017 #8

There are other large urban centers, and they are not on the E and W coast. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #15

Not like the urban centers of Los Angeles, San Francisco stretching Sophia4 Dec 2017 #28

Each and every urban center is different. There are many more populous than SF. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #29

I did not mean to suggest that San Francisco is the most populous. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #40

Well, since the red states are utterly dependent on federal aid paid mostly by blue state taxpayers- dawg day Dec 2017 #50

It also affects all the cities the homes were purchased in, because if property values pnwmom Dec 2017 #5

Republicans voted to raise taxes that Democrats intend to lower. Deb Dec 2017 #7

democrats should say what the tax scam is, a give away to the rich paid for by taxing middleclass beachbum bob Dec 2017 #9

Giveaway to the rich and running up the deficit should be how we approach it. Blue_true Dec 2017 #24

To say nothing of good schools for your children (and yourself), cultural Sophia4 Dec 2017 #32

I don't think that'll help much. The most hurt are the east & west coast blue states. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #10

there are tons of folks in red and blue states who have lost a substantial deduction CreekDog Dec 2017 #14

And ALL of those states should have their GOP representatives voted out, pnwmom Dec 2017 #93

This promise will be spun as a giveaway to rich blue liberal elites Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #11

Yep DonaldsRump Dec 2017 #13

The death tax. Blue_true Dec 2017 #18

Check out housing prices in large, urban areas on Zillow or some other Sophia4 Dec 2017 #34

I get all that- Im talking about how it will be spun everywhere else Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #62

I go to parties here, and Californians are joking about"what if California left Sophia4 Dec 2017 #71

The point is that the blue states are already going to vote Democratic. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #16

The only state that applies to is Texas. Blue_true Dec 2017 #19

Lots of $200k-$300k houses in Jacksonville, an urban center. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #46

In 2008, something like everyone but one major city voted for President Obama. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #47

Yes. That's what happens when you target ALL big cities, not just blue ones. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #66

I come from the camp that think that Trumpism will rest on the ash heap of history. Blue_true Dec 2017 #70

I know I will. The Trumpers will NEVER admit their mistake. Never. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #89

No but there are red districts in blue states crazycatlady Dec 2017 #20

I see. Dem leaders need to appeal to all America. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #25

I do agree with you crazycatlady Dec 2017 #26

There are still lots of Republicans in California. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #35

The website is a tremendous idea. Blue_true Dec 2017 #48

It's not just the vote for President that is important; it's also Senate and especially House spooky3 Dec 2017 #54

Restore it for primary homes costing less than $500,000. Blue_true Dec 2017 #17

THat is not the case everywhere crazycatlady Dec 2017 #21

How many 1BR condos cost more than $500,000? Blue_true Dec 2017 #23

Location is necessary crazycatlady Dec 2017 #27

You make a point. Blue_true Dec 2017 #37

There are also industries specific to those cities crazycatlady Dec 2017 #39

Lots in the urban areas of New York and Los Angeles. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #42

No. Not in Los Angeles. You can have a modest salary and pay a lot for a home. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #36

Throughout history, unless efforts are made by government, Blue_true Dec 2017 #45

how about this: we don't raise taxes on moderate income people in a tax cut bill CreekDog Dec 2017 #49

The discussion was about housing prices in popular cities. Blue_true Dec 2017 #56

I posted this thread, I know what it's about despite your attempts to change the subject CreekDog Dec 2017 #58

I am not sure what you are talking about. I am not sure that you do. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #69

Won't help much in Red states... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #22

Only wage earners? What about retirees? eleny Dec 2017 #30

Primarily wage earners. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #41

Thanks!!! eleny Dec 2017 #44

Property taxes are State and Local Taxes (SALT) CreekDog Dec 2017 #60

+1 spooky3 Dec 2017 #76

Actually, they are not. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #88

the proponent WAS speaking imprecisely; it's a problem with a LOT of the discussion of the spooky3 Dec 2017 #90

Generally, they are not considered SALT Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #87

not correct spooky3 Dec 2017 #91

Feel free to be inaccurate, if you wish. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #94

are you trying to say Property Taxes arent deductible? CreekDog Dec 2017 #96

you dont understand...just because Ms. Toad posted something completely wrong CreekDog Jan 2018 #97

False, now stop misleading people: CreekDog Dec 2017 #95

You can link a horse to authoritative sources spooky3 Jan 2018 #98

Yes, of course, include retirees, I'd just restore it as it was CreekDog Dec 2017 #59

Especially since we know they plan to go after Medicare eleny Dec 2017 #65

Not just that but.... Takket Dec 2017 #31

I do not think this is something to focus much attention on. David__77 Dec 2017 #33

True, but we should focus on the tax bill changes too, but not to the Sophia4 Dec 2017 #43

I hope some congresspeople or candidates are reading this! unitedwethrive Dec 2017 #38

Hard for many to sympathize with those who have the extra $$$ to pay their taxes a year in advance MichMan Dec 2017 #63

In the districts we are likely to flip, this is an issue. unitedwethrive Dec 2017 #72

2021 Is Earliest This Can Happen SoCalMusicLover Dec 2017 #51

Not just wage earners, but homeowner retirees elfin Dec 2017 #52

SALT doesnt affect the vast majority of people, especially when you take into Hoyt Dec 2017 #55

I don't know why you keep characterizing this as something that only benefits rich people CreekDog Dec 2017 #61

Well, let's see. What are you paying in property taxes? Anything less than $7,400 and you don't Hoyt Dec 2017 #64

i just gave you an example of someone paying 13,000 in property taxes CreekDog Dec 2017 #73

You did add the property taxes. And what you pay with state taxes will still Hoyt Dec 2017 #78

Thats an insane property tax rate Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #74

SALT affects states like NY and CA heavily. New England as well. roamer65 Dec 2017 #75

DC area also spooky3 Dec 2017 #77

Very true. roamer65 Dec 2017 #80

I totally agree with your last paragraph TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #92

I am very grateful that I am relatively poor. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #57

"Repeal and replace the Trump Tax Hike!!!" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #67

Restore the SALT for middle class folks. roamer65 Dec 2017 #68

your idea on kids is foolish, if you want to reduce population growth, increase standard of living CreekDog Dec 2017 #82

Respectfully. We will disagree. roamer65 Dec 2017 #83

just give us the evidence that reducing tax credits for children reduces birthrates CreekDog Dec 2017 #84

Yep, Don't forget SALT used to be Strategic Arms Limitations Treaty. We need some pepper. bitterross Dec 2017 #79

Let's be glad they didn't start taxing appreciation in your house Hoyt Dec 2017 #85

The cap also includes state sales tax deductions for major purchases ecstatic Dec 2017 #86