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In reply to the discussion: Hillary became "unlikable" when she became successful in her own right. It's all about sexism. [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)124. Perhaps actually giving the lady politician's actual words a minute or two of analysis
might give you an understanding of what she said, and what understanding she and others had of the situation:
Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first I take the president at his word that he will try hard to pass a United Nations resolution and seek to avoid war, if possible. Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely and war less likelyand because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our causeI have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go away with delay will oppose any United Nations resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.
She added, This is a difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make. Any vote that may lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction. My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of preemption or for unilateralism or for the arrogance of American power or purpose. A vote for the resolution, she argued, is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our president. And we say to him: Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.
In retrospect, of course, these final words seem the height of naïveté. Bush did take the resolution as a vote to rush to war. And, of course, it turned out that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction or even an active WMD programthough its worth recalling that almost everyone, including many opponents of the war, believed he did. (Vice President Dick Cheney and his allies in the Pentagon cherry-picked the intelligence that seemingly supported that conclusion, but its clear in retrospect that even they believed Iraq had WMDs, even if the CIA, which they distrusted, was having a hard time locating them.)
Some context is needed to understand Clintons position in this debate. In September 2002, one month before Congress passed the resolution, Joseph Biden and Richard Lugarthe Senate Foreign Relations Committees chairman and ranking Republican member, respectivelydrafted an alternative bill, authorizing the use of force only after Bush made a stronger case that Saddam possessed WMDs.
Does that make things clearer?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html
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Hillary became "unlikable" when she became successful in her own right. It's all about sexism. [View all]
pnwmom
Jan 2018
OP
++++++Agree lunamagica...it is so sad that many women are the worst enemy of women
iluvtennis
Jan 2018
#62
Clinton could have put a million miles between her and the IWR vote
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jan 2018
#17
I hear tell Goody Proctor saw her strike a white millennial man impotent with just a look.
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#190
Perhaps actually giving the lady politician's actual words a minute or two of analysis
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#124
I disagree. The IWR was a much bigger issue for Clinton than it was for Kerry.
StevieM
Jan 2018
#189
So you're saying that Hillary was stupid, or a liar and playing with people's lives?
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#140
How do you think Hillary got to be so, as you state, stupid, lying and cavalier with peoples lives?
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#146
She BEWITCHED the superdelegates with "accomplishments" and "working with progressives!"
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#196
She was the most popular politician in America in 2012. She hasn't served one more day
StevieM
Jan 2018
#191
Good point. I edited my post to be clear that I was talking serving in political office.
StevieM
Jan 2018
#215
Thank you for the video. Love Dean. As he said, he represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic
Alice11111
Jan 2018
#105
Agree her campaign team was a disaster &DNC. Comey. Russia. Cheati. Still think she would have been
Alice11111
Jan 2018
#106
Out of curiosity I looked up her popularity timeline. It's been up and down several times
Quixote1818
Jan 2018
#3
After she got the job- same as the senate- a big dip when running and bounce back after you get the
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#79
Name one who maintained likability through a successful run for the President. n/t
pnwmom
Jan 2018
#12
Don't think younger matters, unless she was eye candy. Yep, she should have had gender change.
Alice11111
Jan 2018
#107
"they are often penalized when they behave in ways that violate gender stereotypes"
GreenEyedLefty
Jan 2018
#6
Actually, her favorability ratings have always fluctuated and were never close to 80 percent
onenote
Jan 2018
#13
I don't think making millions in speaking fees from Wall St. banks and corporations helped either.
jalan48
Jan 2018
#28
The financial industry is centered in NY. Name a Democrat who has won without New York donors.
pnwmom
Jan 2018
#34
I hope every Democratic candidate from now on does it. I don't think any Democrat should bow to
stevenleser
Jan 2018
#96
More like taking millions in speaking fees from big Wall St. firms and banks after leaving office.
jalan48
Jan 2018
#122
I don't think Wall St. cares if it's a woman or a man when it comes to dolling out money.
jalan48
Jan 2018
#131
Oh my-we're down to "you" statements. Did pointing out that Democratic candidates who make millions
jalan48
Jan 2018
#139
Giving up on any attempt to justify your very deeply emotional view of Hillary with data
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#178
I used to criticize her to myself for being too close to Wall STreet, but then I started paying
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#201
Yeah, like when she voted against gun control as a senator because her constituents and donors
ehrnst
Jan 2018
#204
This is disingenuous. She was also quite popular when she was Secretary of State
Azathoth
Jan 2018
#35
In general, her support was highest during that period -- during and after her "stand by your man"
pnwmom
Jan 2018
#70
I thought then and I still believe now that their marriage was no one else's business...
stevenleser
Jan 2018
#97
She barely gets support on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, let alone anywhere else, how in
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#75
Yeah, that's what the female writer of that piece was saying, too. She didn't mean to be
pnwmom
Jan 2018
#88
The irony for you personally might be something, but it is irrelevant to the rest of us. nt
stevenleser
Jan 2018
#217